>$3500 for a 25 year old GM car with 90K miles on it in Hammond indiana

>$3500 for a 25 year old GM car with 90K miles on it in Hammond indiana

what the FRICK happened to the used car market?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Sellers are COVID high right now

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    that's not even that high
    i paid $7k for a 2004 panther body with 110k miles on it

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It looks good so it'll sell high.
    Here's the skinny:
    My dad had one of these and it was actually a hunk of junk. It was no Roadmaster or Park Avenue. Honstant wheel problems, noise problems, transmission problems, brake problems. It was no 1991 Lesabre by ANY MEANS. Now that was a good car. My mom had that.

    Skip that vehicle,. anon. It sucks despite looking so good.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      my 03 avalon is on its last legs after hitting 243K miles this month. I dont know where to go after this car. I got in 2014 for $4500 and i'll never be able to find a deal like that again

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >my 03 avalon is on its last legs after hitting 243K miles this month
        how is it on its last legs?
        just do regular servicing on it, and it will make it to 300k. rust is the only thing that can truly kill a toyota. Rust, and maybe Black folk

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The only rust i have on it now is the drives rear wheel well lip. It started about 2020 and I went to 3 body shops and all 3 said it wasnt worth the fix. I sprayed some rust converted on it and it slowed it down but its slowly growing worse each year. that and the clearcoat is turning white all over.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            ah yeah, i mean i dont think thats catastrophic yet but it likely will be eventually
            if you want the poorgay solution, buy another avalon of the same generation and now you have replacement parts and trim

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            the issue with avalons is that this whole side panel is one piece. no shop wanted to do the work because its days worth of labor. I took it back last fall to another shop and they quoted me $2000 just to fix the rust.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            just wire brush that shid, tape around it, find some paint that looks remotely similar you can live with and spray it, problem solved for 5-10 years.
            My '05 Avalon some Black person keyed, and I have a small rust bubble forming near a tail light. I just ordered some Indigo ink blue pearl touch up from eBay for $8, and I'm gonna use a cheap small kids paint brush for the scratches, and probably wire wheel and brush the lil rust spot. $8!
            >Only pic I have of my Avalon on the computer

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            d00d! You went to the Amish market and got fresh veggies!

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I'm with others here that that's not a bad price for that vintage GM with a 3800. my '92 Lesabre still runs great with like 3x the mileage.

            That said that amount of rust is minimal coming from someone in the Canadian rust belt, if that's the worst of it including under the car id just regularly soak it with fluid film or something and it'll probably last a while.

            If the engine & trans is good in that Toyota fixing it might be your cheapest option compared to buying something else.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Unironically op needs to watch the Chris fix video on how to fix it

            https://i.imgur.com/60S399Q.jpg

            The only rust i have on it now is the drives rear wheel well lip. It started about 2020 and I went to 3 body shops and all 3 said it wasnt worth the fix. I sprayed some rust converted on it and it slowed it down but its slowly growing worse each year. that and the clearcoat is turning white all over.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I had the timing belt replaced at 200K since the last owner kept the maintence and replace it at 110K. new suspension at 220K, new rack and pinion, new head gaskets, new engine hoses where the old rubber ones had turned into plastic from age, full synthetic oil every 7K miles. I've easily put almost 10K into this car since I've had it,
            but the troony doesnt always kick in fast. when I go from R to D it takes a few seconds for it to shift. My engine idles at low RPMs, I have an EVAP leak somwhere that I cant find but codes point to either a fuel filler neck or evap canister leak meaning id have to drop the fuel tank.

            what other stuff should I be looking out for at 240K?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            also the interior lighting flickers slightly and using any mechanical swtich like power windows or seats causes them to dim slightly.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            mine does the same minus the flickering, i figured it was normal given the age of the alternator and the tech used at the time. the speakers will actually lose power for a split second if i use all four power windows at once before quickly fading back in lol. ignition isn't affected though.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            bump for preventative car maintence on something this old

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >1mzfe leaking oil
            Loved the car while I had it, but Honda had the objectively better v6 engine of the time. It’s too bad about the automatic transmissions

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            the leak turned out to be from valve cover gasket seals. I was able to replace the front ones but the back valves were too hard to get to. Since then I havent had any leaks from the front

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah, I can see the leak. The rear bank requires taking the intake manifold off, which takes some time. By the way, there are vids on YouTube on how to change spark plugs on that bank without removing the intake. If you plan on keeping the car for a while, I would remove the intake for the next spark plug service and change the gasket at the same time.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Exactly. I saw the video on how to do the rear and it was a long job. I dont have a garage or driveway so I'd have to get it all done in one day which I'm unsure if I could do it.
            Youre right about the plugs though I have not changed them yet since owning the car, so I'm due soon

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Unironically, take an auto class at your local community College. 9 times out of 10 they'll let you bring your car in for the class to work on and fix. You get access to expensive tools, you get advice and diagnostics from experienced teachers, you learn and you get free labor (you have to pay for the parts obviously)

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Takes some time
            I wish people would stop spreading this myth.
            I'm a shitty diy mechanic and got the intake off my '01 1MZ-FE in thirty minutes while drunk.
            Just apply penetrator a couple days before removal, three bolts on the TB, four on the plenum, two nuts on the support brackets, two nuts on the emission valve assembly, two ground wires, and like three vacuum lines.
            Although mine doesn't have EGR so maybe that complicates things?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I assume that everyone on this board has never turned a wrench; this means that this job takes time. Moreover, some unexpected problem rears its head and takes a shitload of time. For instance, on that engine, changing the power steering belt on that engine took me 3 hours because the tensioner was old and shitty. If you’re a great mechanic, good for you!

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I just assume people looking at older cars are into DIY.
            You can easily spend 5k on brakes, belts, fluids, at which point you're looking at much nicer shit.
            I got quoted something like four hours of labor for plugs, then put it off because all the guides were really intimidating.
            >Power steering pump
            It took me hours to tension the belt (nowhere to pry).

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You know you can do the rear plugs without removing the intake right? There are guides on YouTube. I personally wouldn’t change plugs unless there are misfires or other plug-related issues.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            regulsr 1mz reminder that the oe washers the valve cover bolts sit on are actually crush washers that shouldnt be reused. Otherwise, the bolts bottom out before reaching the required torque spec and the gaskets leak again.
            use two flat washers per bolt to alleviate this

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            good call bro. i did buy all new crush washers when I replaced the valve cover gasket. 8 months in so far and no leaks

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I had a camry from the same era. Same drive train and similar construction. The lights flickering is the only thing that would concern me in case there's electrical shorts or disconnects happening. Everything else is par for the course and can pretty much be tolerated/ignored unless your state will refuse to register it for the evap leak.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            That's cosmetic at this point. If you're going to have cheap old cars you have to learn to live with stuff like that. I also suggest learning to work on it yourself.

            You can probably reduce its spread by chipping off the loose paint. The stuff that has already come unstuck from the metal just contributes to holding in water and prevents you from getting a thorough coating of new paint or other corrosion protection.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Are you by chance a woman?
            Jesus christ just get a wire wheel to it, fill it up with bondo and put a nice anti-rust primer on it and paint it.
            It's not that hard.
            Like other anon said, go watch the Chris fix video.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Buy another one with 100k for $5,000.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        you have to be moronic to think this, just replace bushings, wheel bearings, suspension, engine related shit, or whatever is breaking down, cars have wear items you stupid Black person

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Early 2000s Toyotas and Lexus can still be had in good shape for a reasonable price. If you're wiling to go older than 2005 the prices come down a lot and you can get grandma's old car that her kids are selling off.

        For example, here's a 2002 Lexus with the V6 in really nice shape with a clean title and 111,000 miles for $5K.

        https://www.autotrader.com/marketplace/buy/lexus/es/2002/JTHBF30G220008933

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >20+ year old cars with 100k+ miles for $5k is considered an amazing deal now
          fricking hell

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Wait until you hear about cars no longer depreciating either.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          That's a 22 year old car that will need a lot of service just due to time. It should be worth 1 to 2k and the other 3k should be spent on getting all the wear items up to snuff, not 5k to enter ffs.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        my 03 lasted to 270k with just basic maintenance and have met others with 300k just keep up maintenance and also do preventative maintenance like seals and bushings i replaced the whole suspension in my garage too very easy

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    new cars are shit so used cars are going for a premium

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >what the FRICK happened to the used car market?

    Fwiw those Lesabres are great and extremely reliable if maintained properly. For 84k miles I don't think that's a terrible deal, although 2500 would probably be more fair. You always negotiate, you should never pay the listed price for any vehicle.

    That being said, I think the problem with the used car market is the same problem with simping in general. There are men who are paying for onlyfans porn when there's infinite free porn online anyway.

    Similarly, I think there are lots of zoomers and younger millenials who don't understand negotiation, and they're happily throwing money at whatever the asking price is for a vehicle they want.

    I'm in Kansas and just saw a listing yesterday for a 2000 LeSabre with 128k miles nothing wrong with it listed for $1500. There are great deals out there still but you have to search for them

    Doesn't help that the average new car price is over $40k. This makes idiots think they're getting a good deal when they see something like this for 3 or 4 grand

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Hey OP.
    Whatever you do, DO NOT look up prices on 1966-1996 Broncos

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I cri everytiem

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >$3500 for a 25 year old GM car with 90K miles on it
    Sounds about right, a family member of mine sold (what was then) a 25 year old Buick in the late '00s for around that price and it had even higher mileage. 25 is stretching past the 'depreciated shitbox' range of pricing and into 'collectible antique' territory, so those '90s GMs are only going to get more expensive as time goes on.
    >pic semi related, used car market works on my machine

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    come to ireland! we are raped daily trying to buy cars its absolutely ridiculous

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Island that doesn't make any cars
      >Surprised cars are expensive
      yeeeeaaahhhhhh. . .
      At least they make Fords and Hondas in England ????

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Small country, shit economy, high COL, and LHD while UK uses RHD

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          ?? dumbass

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Why do people think $500 reliable daily drivers were ever a thing? Regardless of the time period you always had to spend at least $3-5k (in todays money) to get a nice, reliable and trustworthy used basic vehicle that's worth keeping on the road. Sure there were a lot more $500 cars 10 years ago but these cars were not for the non-mechanically inclined.

            >Why do people think $500 reliable daily drivers were ever a thing? Regardless of the time period you always had to spend at least $3-5k (in todays money) to get a nice, reliable and trustworthy used basic vehicle that's worth keeping on the road.

            My first car was a 99 Buick LeSabre bought in 2007 from a neighbor with 190k miles on it. I believe my parents paid $1900 for it. According to Inflationcalculator.com, that would make it $2843 today.

            In my head I think, less than 3 grand for a reliable late 90s Buick LeSabre isn't a bad deal. However when you factor in age, that's when you see the inflation. At the time it was 7-8 year old car, and even by today's money, with nearly 200k miles, it cost 2800.

            Good luck finding an 8 year old car in 2024 for less than 3 grand. Even like a 2016 Ford Fusion or Chevy Cruze with 150k+ miles would probably cost you at least 5 or 6 grand

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            People have just realized that late 90s/early 2000s cars are good for well over 200,000 miles and that the age alone doesn’t make them fall apart.
            So this car with 84,000 miles being only slightly more than your 190,000 one isn’t any additional inflation. The car might need a few hundred in parts but then it’s better than your 7 year old one was.

            All of my cars are over 20 years old and when I get in them I certainly don’t think, “These are so old they’re ready for the scrap heap.” Nothing about them feels like they’ve been off the new car lot for much more than 6 months except the Coupe having no amp and a broken sunroof.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >People have just realized that late 90s/early 2000s cars are good for well over 200,000 miles and that the age alone doesn’t make them fall apart.

            yeah, it really seems like 90s and 2000s cars were a good sweet spot for reliability but without so much tech that there's tons of stuff that can crap out and go wrong

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            More like 2010s cars are not lasting for 20 years yet because it's 2024 you doofus

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >2 clownshoes
            All you need now is makeup and a wig

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It's funny because this graph also shows how recent British colonialism was

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This gets all of my WAT. I know car insurance is a scam in Ireland, but car prices are too? Would you guys let me immigrate to Ireland so I can help you revolt against this and other injustices? My last name is very Irish but I’m American (and not brown either).

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Seems about right for a low mileage 3800 if the condition is good.

    I have mine insured for $10,000, though supercharged.

    Honestly, the old paradigm of “every car is worth $500-1000 after x years” was pretty stupid and way undervalued what 4 working wheels is worth. People were buying $500 cars and carelessly wrecking them because they could just go out and buy another $500 car.

    $3500 for a reliable comfy cruiser that’s easy to wrench on and has cheap parts ain’t a bad deal if you think about it.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's past the bottom of the curve, estupido, there's a point where the prices go up.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why do people think $500 reliable daily drivers were ever a thing? Regardless of the time period you always had to spend at least $3-5k (in todays money) to get a nice, reliable and trustworthy used basic vehicle that's worth keeping on the road. Sure there were a lot more $500 cars 10 years ago but these cars were not for the non-mechanically inclined.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Same here in aus literally cheaper to skip the low-mid range end of the used car market completely

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's only worth how much it's bought for.
    If that sits for 2 months, then you have your answer

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This company is a Russian crime syndicate money laundering front.

  15. 1 month ago
    p

    That’s not a bad deal at all you moronic homosexual

    that equates to just $290 per month in poorspeak

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This image is strangely comforting, I miss when the world looked like this. I see it less and less with each passing year. What is this called? 90s/00s hospitalcore?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This image is strangely comforting, I miss when the world looked like this. I see it less and less with each passing year. What is this called? 90s/00s hospitalcore?

      Kek.
      Pre-covid dancing nurses.
      Comfy AF.
      >no Mass Hysteria exists
      >most people are still rational about most things

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      old days long gone

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    that's not really terrible, tell him you'll give him $2,500 cash no questions asked

    then bash him over the head and take the car for free

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >living in Hammond

    Lel. I live in Crown Point with actual humans.

  18. 1 month ago
    s10fag

    should've learned to wrench brainlet

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