Airless tires

So we're finally gonna see new tires from a major car company. Thoughts on this?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Just google why airless tires are not viable and you'll get half a dozen legitimate reasons.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There are half a dozen legitimate reasons for why anything and everything aren't viable. Thats not a useful statement onto itself. Why isn't cars viable for modern life? Public transportation exists. Why isn't modern life viable? Because inefficiency driving pollution, destroying nature, environment, our living areas, etc. Why isn't breathing air viable? Because it generates CO2 which pollutes and kills millions of people.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        stfu nerd none of those examples are any good

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Ok

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        stop using facts and logic!

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >let me be the one to inform you

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          There he goes fellows, the one, the only man who invented analingus.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        CO2 is necessary for plant life moron and you are made of carbon. CO2 isn't polluting as much methane or NOX. Never vote again you brainrotted moron. Next lookup how removing sulfur from diesel lead to ocean temperature rises. You brainwashed to thinking modern life isn't viable because you live wastefully and support companies that do so.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't know shit about airless tires, but I'm gonna go out on a limb and say on a normal passenger car the "ribs" (or whatever) will wear down/break before the tread and need to be replaced sooner than pneumatic tires and thus this is all a conspiracy to sell more tires.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Just google why airless tires are not viable and you'll get half a dozen legitimate reasons.

      Likely, yes. However, you will simply be expected to buy new tires like you do now. The main positives about these tires are the potential applications for in-city driving/commuting. Where people don't really do more than 50 or drive to far. These would work very well within city limits with large population. The vibrations won't be a problem for low speed travel.

      The other positive, which won't happen because why do something better/good just to be better/good is that these have the possibility of being made out of fully biodegradable materials. Because the life expectancy won't be top-notch, you may as well make them out of bio materials, which have been proven to work just as well as plastics and rubber in many applications. But, they'd have the added benefit of being tossed in a dirt pile and deteriorating naturally over a short period of time.

      The problem is the people. You may never drive more than 50 mph in your shitty car that barely gets 45 mpg with it's 100 hp engine, but you're still going to convince yourself a tire built for more than your car is capable of isn't necessary. All you econoboxes out there would greatly benefit from a cheap, bio degradable tire. But you won't buy it because """""reasons."""""

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >isn't necessary.
        Is necessary. (fixed)

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This isn't a new technology. It's currently used in some low speed utility applications like lawn mowers and forklifts. But we would have seen it in road going vehicles/industries if it were feasible. So this is probably just Tesla doing something different to be different that they will be able to pitch to suckers as better, but time will show why nobody else is doing it and Tesla fanboys suffer for it yet again.

    I can't wait!

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >we would have seen it in road going vehicles/industries if it were feasible
      Rome isn't built in a day. For something to be, it has to be accepted first, rolled out slowly, then adopted widely.

      The technology is old but adoption is slow like all technology. The thing thats interesting with Tesla talking is whether it will become mainstream because Tesla is now in top 5 largest auto company in the US. So the technology seems to be possibly gaining acceptance

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      thanks Jesus

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >elon invents new tires
      >eco friendly!
      >worse performance
      >cost 2x more than normal tires
      >availiable 2027

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        2027
        more like 2037. Get on the wait list now

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >if it were feasible we'd see it
      Bullshit. Lobbying corporate cartels often preclude useful shit being released as a product because muh profits muh infrastructure muh fiduciary responsibility to shareholders

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You're not wrong in general, but I really don't see Big Compressor lurking in the bushes to sabotage airless tires.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Well its possible, therefore its bad.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    this sounds stupid (tesla owners are not that smart) but wouldn´t you want a lighter wheel on an EV so that you have less rolling mass and loose less energy in the wheels

    the airless wheels seem like they would just weigh more

    also why do evgays always need to recuperate would it make more sense to just let the car roll down the hill and not loose the kinetic energy in heat trying to put it back into the battery

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Thats why they're doing the testing to see if it makes sense.

      Its crossed the threshold from "its stupid" to "its only viable for low speed things" to "maybe its viable for normal vehicles as well". Each step has more and more testing process and each year, the tire technology gets improved and redesigned for more and more usage.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        this will never make it into high speed application.

        it will generate too much heat and the tire will falll apart as well as being very heavy unsprung weight.

        the tech is old, there is a reason it has not been adopted.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Rolling out this year. No matter what.

          It seems like its not just Tesla looking into it, but also Nissan and GM wants to roll this out within this or next year

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            DOA, has been for the last 20 years.

            Unknown variables. The design seem to suggest better grip allowing for performance driving. However unknown if it handles heat better or worse, maybe the empty space allows heat to escape giving better temperature control? Maybe also increasing lifespan?

            lol, no. they wear out very quickly even in low speed applications.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sure just go downhill at 100 Mph when theres traffic & other hazards in your way instead of going at a safe speed and recharging the battery a little

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        of course in traffic you need to slow down but when the road is free you can just coast down the hill

        in some you can turn off recuperation and even gain speed down hills on highways like speeding up from 120kmh to 150 and improving my range

        for this to work you would need to live somewhere where people can drive and not cause traffic jams

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >they would just weigh more
      I wonder how the rolling resistance compares as well

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Would it reduce pollution or would it just be "cool?"

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If anything it would increase it because you need more rubber

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        100% recyclable.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Doesn't matter if it just spreads little chips all across the road like normal tires

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          So is glass but it takes absurd amounts of energy to melt it

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Nobody recycles old tires

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why not make run flat type of tires but with larger pads on the inside to simulate 60psi?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      probably would be better but most likely tesla wants it as a gimmick

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I can see it as an accesory for cybertruck that are put to work. Since these airless tires are supposed to work great for factory/work oriented tasks.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Cybertruck
          >factory/work oriented tasks.
          Lmao you trannies are completely detached from reality

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Run flats drive like shit and break down in under 100 miles from running flat. the idea is you spend extra money on tires so that you can keep driving without a spare

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >break down in under 100 miles from running flat.
        no they don't.

        t. drove for nearly 1000 miles on flat runflats

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Isn't that because they are not as rigid as when they are full? I'm talking about making them as rigid as a properly inflated tire

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          probably in for a rough ride that way, and would need expensive additional costs for a better suspension to make up for it

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm guessing they'll be
    >Much more expensive
    >Less durable
    >More easy to deform
    >Not repairable

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They're testing to remove guesses

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's good, I just don't want "planned obsolescence, the manufacturer" having anything to do with my tires.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Well all tires have lifespan, not sure what you're expecting. The insurance/us gov standard recommends tires be replaced every 4-6 years no matter what as bare minimum. Further, the tire treads wear out after ~1-3 years of average usage. So you have to replace them anyway.

          Its just basics material physics.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No, rubber doesn't decay

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      When michelin came up with the concept the promise was to only replace the treads as they wore down instead of the whole tire kinda like how truck tires work

      But that also comes with its own mountain of problems, retreadable tires can only be used in duals as theyre sketchy af, cost effective but can delaminate at any second under load

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    gonna suck

    ?t=460

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >inb4 integrated with the rim so you change the whole thing
    >inb4 they go a step further and make it part of the hub

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    These are trash, they have always been trash. I'm not ruling out some future airless design being good but these are similar to the old ones that are garbage.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What are the benefits of airless tires apart from protection against punctures?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >No TPMS
      >No people driving around with underinflated tires
      > No blowouts
      >Dont have to check air tires.
      >Can quit getting extorted by air compressors

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Unknown variables. The design seem to suggest better grip allowing for performance driving. However unknown if it handles heat better or worse, maybe the empty space allows heat to escape giving better temperature control? Maybe also increasing lifespan?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      conserve air which is a limited resource if you think about it

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The tread will still wear out, it's just more internal materials and thus more waste. Tires are already a major environmental pollutant. How often do you have issues related to air in your tires? Unless you have a valve leak (easy fix) almost never. It's nor worth the excess cost, massive extra waste, and loss of ability to air up/air down your tires.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not to mention extra weight on the turning wheels.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Most expensive type of tire physically possible
    >Brand that eats tires the fastest of any other mainstream brand
    Great combination

    Also, for the 9000th time, airless tires are not going to happen. Airless tires have been "coming soon" for like 40 years now. A pneumatic tire is too perfect.

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Bicycles had airless tires for a loooong while now. If you rode a city rental bike, you've likely experienced them. They ride like shit, roll like shit, and apparently a massive pain in the ass to install.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      damn I forgot how hard are any type of airless tires are to install on a scooter/bike

      with bike you have to use insanely long lever to have enough leverage and some sort of lubrication

      on scooter you have to heat up the tire until you can barely touch with welding gloves then you can somehow manage to put it on still being a pain in the ass

      source worked in a bike shop and every time someone wanted airless tires we sent them the frick away or we had a lottery who would do them because no one would want to do it thankfully i only had the unfortunate luck to do it three times

      so yeah the shit should not pass otherwise the tire shops are gonna bill you 10k just for a tire change

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What are the least, and most gay bikes you've worked on?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          But the most gay shit you see is a e-bike with a lot of accessories pic related but with more stuff on the handlebars or allibaba ones and lime scooter are gay as is

          the least gay bike are the ones that are actually used and not owned by posers

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    My wife would ruin one of those tires in a weekend.

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Interesting material

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Tesla is just so obviously a giant gimmick at this point.

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