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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Toyota should just buy Nissan/Renault since they already have EV’s

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Toyota should just buy Nissan/Renault
      Then scrap the entire company because it's pure trash made for pure trash people.
      Rid the world of this blight

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Scrap all the Nissans except for EV’s and 400z and GTR, make the 400z into a Supra, the GTR into a Lexus LFA, and make the Nissans into older rebadged Toyotas.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        toyota twingo when

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Its not a bad idea, but the French state protects Renault kind of hard. Its probably too small to survive on its own.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        huh? renault group has been doing very well. only vw group sells more cars in the eu.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Why in the frick would they? If they needed EVs they would make their own or buy some chink dying company like HiPhi. Renault has nothing to offer to Toyota

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      company just said that EVs are shit and your investment advice for them is to buy companeis that make EVs?

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I love how much they're seething at EVs because they know they can't compete. meanwhile, one of Tesla's largest trade ins for their cars is Toyota's own.

    Toyota will continue to lose marketshare in Europe and America if they continue to ignore EVs.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      or they're gonna remain one of the few legacy carmakers that won't be swallowed by the chinks
      >Tesla
      mfw

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Toyota
      >Lose the market
      LMAOOOO the world will end sooner than Toyota drops down to second place.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      At first I was thinking Toyota would be the loser when Tesla takes marketshare since all the white, asian, high income, educated, high IQ, and tech/fin/stem workers with money seem to be switching from Toyota (the previous minmax high IQ choice) to Tesla.

      But reality has proven the opposite. Tesla takes from Toyota but not that much. Meanwhile Toyota's hybrids/EV/ICE options are stealing from all other ICE engine companies at a much higher clip. The companies that will die are the crap ones like Buick, Lincoln, GM, Renault, Nissan, Mitsubishi, etcetc. Companies that either make good shit or add value will be fine.

      TL;DR people thought Toyota was Sears when they're Walmart/Target/Costco. Old autos will die but it ain't Toyota.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Toyota will outlast the wienerroaches

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous
        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Welcome to the rice patty mother fricker

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      EV's are literally r*ddit-tier, there's no coming back from that, their image and reputation has been permanently ruined.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >have to buy 'credits' if you don't want to tank your company going along with top down government planned economy bullshit mandates
    everyone who supports this stupid communist bullshit is a straight up moron.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's part of why Tesla is doing so well; Dodge was spending hundreds of a millions of dollars a year buying credits from Tesla to legally be able to keep shitting out hemis (they didn't optimize the hemis for fuel economy so each one sold caused a debt in green energy credits).
      Enviromentalists always choose moronic plans. A frickhuge solar farm is getting built here and cratering property values because the state's environmentalists are afraid of nuclear and calling people entitled for not wanting a solar farm sucking up all the remaining land in town.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Dodge was spending hundreds of a millions of dollars a year buying credits from Tesla to legally be able to keep the spirit of the muscle car alive
        how the frick are they not car enthusiast at heart, holy shit.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, that's why the challenger has been killed off (or rather, merged into the new-charger model). After the Stellantis merger, they really didn't want to keep buying credits and are now trying to for EVs while downsizing.
          Optimistically this means that they're basically trying to get their fleet emissions standards good enough to return a real Challenger successor in the future with a Hemi after they have a surplus of their own credits, but given their dealership model is basically causing the Dodge brand to collapse and they've raised prices on everything, I don't know if they're thinking that far ahead.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            i mean the Hemi was left to die well before Stellantis entered the picture

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        If Tesla is benefitting from a democrat imposed credit system, they’re destined to become entirely controlled by democrats and weaponized

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          If? Inflation reduction act is pushing tens of billions of dollars for whoever manages to build EVs in US while red states are pushing on taxes on fueling with electricity. Trump did essentially nothing to support the American car industry, and now Dems show that it is one industrial field that is under their protection.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Dumb Black person.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Shh don't try to educate him.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Clean Air Credits are very real and power companies generate literally hundreds of millions of dollars out of this air every year because of them. Their ironically the only reason coal plants can exist today, since they profit so much.
      t. Works in power gen.
      You can thank Al Gore for it.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Their
        They're*

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Explain

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          So in it's simplest terms it goes like this:
          The government requires that all power plants, regardless of renewability or fuel source, stay below a certain threshold of emissions every year, accounted for through a credit system. Every quarter you get a certain about of credits just to meet (or rather stay projected to meet) this threshold, and you get even more if you go above and beyond. If you don't meet it, you don't get anything. But every plant must meet the threshold if they want to stay in business.
          The EPA allows plants to buy and sell credits as they please, just like how they're allowed to buy/sell power. There are no regulations on how much they can buy/sell, who can buy/sell or what the price is capped at; it is purely up to the respective company. There is also no cap on how many credits THEY give to these plants.
          So what happens is power companies who run renewable energy or operate very cleanly (such as nat gas) accumulate anywhere between 10-100x the credits needed to meet the threshold. Similarly plants that burn very dirty fuels like coal who lack the required amount of credits have an extreme surplus of cash because they have very low overhead costs relative to what they sell to their citizens: so to meet the federal requirements they simply buy credits from anyone who is selling them - sometimes from those under the same parent company/conglomerate - then when it's time to submit reports, they show they meet the threshold.
          And it doesnt stop there. Some power plants can even get additional credits relative to what's called "available power" and "potential power"; the former is you get these credits for constantly producing a certain power level, and the former is when plants get credits for merely having the OPTION to make a certain amount of power - even if they don't ever do it. To put that into perspective, imagine if you had an LS tuned to only make 100hp but the government paid you because it technically could make 500hp.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Nissan Versa, keep. Add Prius 1.8 hybrid into as hatchback only. Sedan with 1.6, also sold as Toyota Yaris
    >Nissan Sentra, keep, also sold as Toyota Corolla Sport
    >Nissan Altima, replace with rebadged Camry with Nissan 1.5 turbo 3cyl with D4S
    >Nissan Leaf, keep
    >Nissan Rogue, keep. Add Prius 2.0 motor
    >Nissan Murano, keep. Add Camry hybrid motor
    >Nissan Pathfinder, keep. Add Crown hybrid turbo
    >Nissan Ariya, keep
    >Nissan 400z, rebadge as Toyota Supra
    >Toyota Gt86 rebadged as Nissan Silvia, Nissan 1.5 3cyl turbo with D4S standard
    >Nissan GTR badged as Lexus LFA

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Nissan 400z, rebadge as Toyota Supra
      Let's not

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >rebadge 4Runner as Xterra

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      wrong. rebadge FJ Cruiser as Xterra (adding only a medical kit box on the rear body panel

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    UHHHHH BAAAAAAAAAAAASEED TOYOTA MUCHO?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >BAAAAAAAAAAAASEED TOYOTA MUCHO?
      based indeed cause they're making big bank of hybrids
      >b-b-but
      yes, based, eat it gay

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >electrically enhanced ICE vehicles are the future
        Checked and based pilled

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Toyota keeps talking about a future of PHEVs or FCEVs, but they haven't done anything to make it happen.

    All their upper management is doing is denying reality and hoping to stall out a future that is obviously arriving faster than anyone expected after the surprise announcement of production cars with solid state batteries and 150kWh of stored energy.
    Tesla got their fast-charging port adopted as a standard because they spent billions on their network, Toyota doesn't have have a single state covered for hydrogen refueling, and the are clearly taking a big hit with the Mirai that is still way less practical to own than its competition.
    Even when it comes to what they are doing, Tesla sells 10x as many of a single model, than Toyota sells of all their PHEVs and FCEVs.

    Seriously what the frick is Toyota doing? Its been 7 years now and they still don't have an internally developed hybrid or fuel cell sports car that can stand up to a Tesla Model 3 Performance for the same money.
    In what world does it make sense for Toyota's premiere sports car, the thing that is supposed to be represent their brand, to be a BMW?
    Even Hyundai seems to be making more of a serious effort than Toyota at this point.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Toyota keeps talking about a future of PHEVs or FCEVs, but they haven't done anything to make it happen.
      fuel cell vehicles are pretty lame, but Toyota has plenty of PHEVs. sales are constrained by their ability to get batteries, not demand.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I fully believe that their sales are not constrained by a lack of demand. If Toyota had a PHEV competitive with a Model 3 I'd own one, and if it was easy to get the PHEV version of cars I'm sure a lot of people would buy one. They make total sense for anyone who owns a home and regularly drives less than 50 miles a day.

        However, their supply constraints are fully a choice Toyota is making. How is it Tesla can supply over a million cars a year with 60 to 75kWh packs on the 3+Y platform, yet Toyota is still only managing barely 100k cars a year with 15kWh batteries?

        Toyota's whole argument was that smaller batteries would make it easier for them to scale up to larger volumes 4 to 5 times more than Tesla, but they haven't even come close to matching them, let alone surpassing them.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Why is it that everyone else has no problems getting batteries but Toyota does? Kinda punches a massive whole in the "we can make 5 PHEVs for every BEV" argument

          Because it was never about the batteries themselves. Rather, it was about Toyota's bill of materials/production cost structure for a given vehicle, which makes it extremely difficult to accomodate many pure electric cars.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Toyota can keep replacement battery cost down for hybrids but can’t for EV, and Toyota doesn’t want to become a “disposable” carmake

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Why is it that everyone else has no problems getting batteries but Toyota does? Kinda punches a massive whole in the "we can make 5 PHEVs for every BEV" argument

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    press "s" to spit on EV

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    absolute chap

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Electric should be a poor people or young driver car, besides the bus. Put big batteries and a slow motor in a regular car and if poor people don’t pay their bills, disable the car remotely, and limit the speed for new drivers.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    How much do credits cost per car?

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    lol. I've been driving pure electric for four years now. being a homeowner with at home L2 charging is awesome. 60 percent of people in the US live in a detached single family home. They will all be driving EVs soon enough. Toyota is a joke.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    and i'd rather buy a vw than a toyota. as much fun as toyota dealerships are.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >id rather buy a VW than a Toyota
      Said no brain having semen retaining non moronic god abiding man ever.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What kind of BS is this, having to buy credits to avoid building EV cars? Cars that are not in demand?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It’s a Democrat scheme system started by Obama, carbon credits

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Its a market-based solution, exactly what you'd expect from a center-right party like the Democrats.
        The idea was to try to prevent future bailouts at taxpayer expense by forcing car makers to fund R&D of competitive products, whether that was internal, or essentially having to pay others.

        Car makers who paid other companies for credits to sell their obsolete junk, have a much weaker case for needing a bailout.
        Same reason for the 2035 sunset date for sales of new old-fashioned entirely fossil fuel dependent vehicles.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Also why ferd abandoned the panther platform because muh fuel economy

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >30%

    Yeah right, we can't fricking charge them nor afford the battery replacement costs. You should look up the percentage of Americans that live in apartments before demanding they buy something they can't even charge without a house, let alone can't afford. They know that EVs are made to be leased not owned due to their few years expiry date, thus they're just trying to push us all into perpetual renting now with vehicles too...

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >You should look up the percentage of Americans that live in apartments
      70% of Americans live in single family homes.

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Toyota is pretty based but I prefer Honda engines.

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >buy credits
    What the frick does this mean? Is it like good boy points for the EPA?

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