How did they do it? How did they make such a reliable engine for a US manufacturer?

How did they do it? How did they make such a reliable engine for a US manufacturer?

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  1. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    benistar :DDDDD

  2. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Oh hey, what's going on in this thread?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >otherwise reliable engine fricking explodes if you let minorities or chinese parts touch it

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/0F6vY39.jpg

      >otherwise reliable engine fricking explodes if you let minorities or chinese parts touch it

      NO YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND
      THEY DIDN'T TORQUE THE OIL FILTER PROPERLY
      IT'S PERFECTLY NORMAL TO ENGINEER A MOTOR WITH AN OIL PUMP HOUSING SO WEAK THAT IT LITERALLY EXPLODES AND GRENADES YOUR ENGINE IF YOU TORQUE THE FILTER SLIGHTLY BEYOND SPEC

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Oil filter needs to be "torqued down" at all
        >not just gently turning it by handuntil it stops
        you are literally causing the fricking problem moron
        just because it has a 23mm hex nut on the end doesn't mean you can ugga dugga it

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          >shall we manufacture our components to be stronger than required?
          >NO! We shall achieve the absolute bare minimum strength and no more!

          Based stellantis
          >also we'll put 20 badly engineered seals and fittings into it which inevitably leak as well

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Only reliable part in that picture is the ZF Lenksysteme getreibe.

      *ticktickticktickticktick*

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        people act like pstar has all these problems when it's literally just karens and dayquons not changing the oil ever and when they do, they take it to pedro who cracks the oil cooler and then it eats a cam

        why does nobody ever cry this hard about bmw's shit ass designs?

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          I work on these every week. They all have these problems, and yes they are all well maintained and mature owners (30+). I dont see you posting about how reliable audi tsi motors are because le only some of them blow up water pumps and get wastegate rattle but yet I do one of each a week too, so.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            ok then how come my car doesn't have any of these problems? how are there even any of these engines on the road if they "just blow up" so much, much less damn near 6 million of them?

            the only variable here are the mechanics and owners and we know Mopar people are fricking stupid

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Oh well I guess we can just pretend the 10 million billion people who had problems with their shitty pentastar engines don't exist because YOU PERSONALLY have not had any problems yet.
            Anecdotal evidence trumps all apparently.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            idk anybody who has to make up numbers in an attempt to prove a point probably has no clue what he's talking about

            Give it time. You probably havent noticed the coolant or oil filled up under the intake.

            I check frequently and there is nothing there except the dribblings from oil changes.
            my car is a 180,000 mile ex rental from Texas. The oil cooler is the original factory part. It has not failed.
            if there was a design flaw with the part you'd expect it to have failed, yes? but it hasn't, so the problem must exist inside the sapient pair of coveralls that is turning the wrench in your situation.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            As I stated earlier; there is an entire industry around redesigning the pentastar oil filer housing to fix all the issues with it, yet here you are claiming the problems don't exist.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >redesigning
            the metal Dorman cooler is in fact a copy of a Mopar part. There is no "redesigning" going on.
            The Dormans solve the filter cartridge issue but come with bad seals that melt and allow yet another leak to occur between the exchanger and filter assembly. The Mopar part does not do this.

            Any leaks that occur here are going to create aeration and a loss of oil pressure that will lunch the cams, as that's the first place the oil goes after leaving that cooler. The engines clearly don't just die at random. There is a cascade of neglect and apathy that occurs first

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >he thinks Dorman's is the only aftermarket filter housing
            AN
            ENTIRE
            INDUSTRY

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            the other ones are AliExpress factory relabels of the Dorman you fricking moron

            >this homie actually buying Amazon HOMOFUN BRAND oil coolers

            you don't deserve your ase platter

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            so get the Dorman cooler and use Mopar seals. gg ez

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            the figure 8 seals that go between the cooler and housing do not have a mopar part number. They only, officially, come inside the coolers already.
            It is actually better to reuse the mopar ones than buy new dorman

            https://www.wranglerforum.com/threads/dorman-oil-filter-housing-and-cooler-seal-failures.2455245/

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >buy both coolers
            >take the mopar 8 seals out and install them in your dorman cooler
            >return the mopar cooler with the dorman seals
            you are like little babbie

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Imagine if stellantis wasn't moronic and you could just use standard sized o-rings

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >spend twice the money and do twice the work for a problem that doesn't happen if you keep brown hands away from the engine

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >spend twice the money
            not if you return the mopar cooler after
            >twice the work
            it's six bolts

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >12 total inverted torx Black folk

            frick that and frick you

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            why would you have to frick with the inverted torx bolts any more than the usual one time, the new mopar cooler will already be off from a vehicle as it hasn't been installed before, and even if you were moronic and got used ones you can remove the cooler from the housing with the housing still on the car and not touch the etorx bolts at all (a set of those sockets is $6 on Rockauto btw). Also there are 5 etorx bolts, the 6 bolts for the cooler itself are normal T30s

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            pay attention
            To change out the figure 8 seals you'll need to disassemble both coolers and swap the parts over
            the Mopar one comes fully assembled already and the Dorman may or may not
            not talking about the block interface.

            Literally in the first 30 seconds he holds up their oil filter housing and says "You might be thinking 'why yours' or 'how is it different to OE'".
            Stellantis enthusiasts really struggle to take in information huh?

            you're a moron
            he said the words "How is this different to OE" because it was an example of a question he's been asked by other techs, you just took it completely out of context.

            The other guy then goes on to say that until recently the replacement oil coolers were made "universal", and now they more closely follow the OE specifications for each revision.

            He ALSO says that the neck cracking and cooler warping is a myth and the failure points are just these stupid gaskets collapsing, not anything actually wrong with the part.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            but you don't need to touch the etorx bolts to disassemble the cooler, and yes the Dorman one comes disassembled

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            you have to get the exchanger off the rest of the part to change the seals out and then you have to assemble the dorman and put it in after removing the original

            how can you possibly do any of that without undoing the bolts that hold the exchanger to the rest of the part?

            >

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            the bolts that hold the exchanger to the housing aren't inverted torx on either the Mopar or Dorman ones, what are you on about

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            oh I got them mixed up because the ones that hold the assembly to the block are
            why are you getting so upset over this?

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            I dunno, ask

            >12 total inverted torx Black folk

            frick that and frick you

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >it's still (more than) 12 inverted torx Black folk you have to go undo on a job you wouldn't have to do if you kept your car away from browns

            ok and?

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            after all these years, even on the last call, these motherfrickers never fixed this aluminum on plastic deisgn?

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >meanwhile Toyota just makes an aluminium sandwich plate that screws into the existing oil filter thread
            >even uses the same o-ring as the original filter
            >then the filter just screws ontop of it and you connect some coolant hoses to the side
            >never had any problems

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Watch the video these morons are arguing about
            The techs claim the plastic design is actually superior because it has less heat-radiating surface area which reduces the temps inside the vee of the engine and lets the actual heat exchanger work better. they straight up say the assembly "warping" and "cracking" is a myth and that it is the gaskets that grow soft and fail that causes a leak.
            The metal cooler assembly isn't necessary and also still leaks from the same places.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Based stellantis enthusiast literally cannot even understand basic youtube videos.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            you literally haven't even watched the video you posted and have less than no clue what you're talking about

            you literally tried to claim out of context phrases and things nobody said like anyone would fall for that.
            please go all the way back to www.reddit.com with your disingenuous pilpul

            imagine being so upset at the GOATstar that you actually try and argue complete nonsense for three hours while posting things that directly contradict everything you said.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >video showing the NAPA replacement filter housing and the changes they made to improve it from the OE design
            >stellantis enthusiast is still convinced no such housing exists because he lacks the comprehension to even understand what is presented to him

            Based.
            I just love big brained stellantis enthusiasts.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            maybe one day you'll find a youtube video that actually wins an argument but I don't think it's going to be today chief

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >couldn't even concentrate for the first 30 seconds

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >takes a potential random tech's question to his boss totally out of context
            >still trying to claim napa engineers parts

            >they literally say less than 5 mins in that the issue was always morons overtightening the filter cap or putting it in dry which will crack shit and also the gaskets going soft
            at no point do they ever discuss what is actually different about napa vs oe which is of course the point: there IS no difference between napa and OE. They are including better accessories and instructions than OE. That is the extent of Napa's work. The rest of that engineering job was all Mopar.

            In fact they EXPLICITLY go over the differences between the parts revisions -- some are simply the same part but they come with different psi/temp sensors, which counts as a revision according to Mopar.

            so basically you lose
            good day sir

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >point: there IS no difference between napa and OE.
            >video explicitly states there is a difference between the NAPA part and OE in the first 30 seconds
            >then goes on to explain IN DETAIL the problems their engineers found with the original housing and what they did to rectify it
            >all of this confuses and enrages the stellantis enthusiast who sees their lips moving but can't understand the words

            Based.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            the video does NOT explicitly state there is a difference between the napa part and OE, the presenter you are referring to is positing "how is this different?" as a question another person has asked him.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah and then they go on to explain the differences of the non-existent NAPA filter housings

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            they go on to explain the differences between the Mopar parts revisions and what napa did to help the persistent leak situation (simply included gaskets not made of chinese newspapers and cum).

            They do not claim to have reengineered or redesigned anything. They literally just found a better gasket supplier. They even say the old assemblies were not properly designed for individual applications and now they are, which means they're making copies of Mopar parts and NOT engineering their own.

            again, how would you feel if you didn't eat breakfast this morning?

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Oh so now you admit the NAPA filter housing DOES exist?

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            At no point ever did a "napa" oil cooler exist, it's just a dorman, made in the same chinese factory as the ones on amazon.
            they are saying the universal, build-your-own and metal body coolers are out and now they have fully assembled coolers for specific applications, which is why they made a point to go over the different parts revisions as their parts now conform to Mopar OE spec and it now matters which one you buy for the job, when before it did not.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >At no point ever did a "napa" oil cooler exist
            >now they have fully assembled coolers

            The duality of the stellantis enthusiast

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            ok then please show me this unique re-engineered napa- exclusive oil cooler assembly
            surely if it exists you can find me a picture of it and information detailing how it is different to a normal one. The video you linked only proves the opposite of what you claim.

            I'll wait

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Well you see, in the first 30 seconds he holds it up and shows you. Then he introduces his friend who has two variations on a bench infront of him where he proceeds to talk about them and explains the changes they made to fix the problems of the OEM filter housings.
            I know, as a stellantis enthusiast, this is a lot of information to take in and it may confuse you at first.... but if you hang in there I just KNOW you can do it!

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            wrong
            that is a Mopar oil cooler in your video. All of them are.
            please try again, show me this mythical redesigned napa one you claim exists and provide details on how it is different to the Mopar one.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >napa sells oil coolers therefore napa makes oil coolers
            >walmart sells mountain dew therefore Walmart makes mountain dew
            >verizon sells phones therefore they make samsungs

            absolute geriatric gigabrainlet logic

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Oh do you have a video of a walmart spokeperson explain how "our engineers" looked at the mountaindew composition and made changes?

            you forgot the part right before that
            >some of the questions I've heard are...

            sorry to hear you have some kind of horrible autism that only allows you to hear words every 30 seconds but it's not my problem

            Yes he's referring to people asking why they should buy the NAPA oil filter housing and how does it differ from the OE filter housing.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            no he's referring to TECHNICIANS asking what is different so they know what steps they need to take when installing it, as previous replacement oil coolers often came disassembled or missing parts that have to be salvaged from the original. The parts are not actually different.

            >that's the entire point of the video
            >t. man who didn't watch the video

            Based moron
            They clearly explained the changes they made to improve the OE design.

            >the changes: 75 cents of o-rings
            wow such engineering
            many changes

            for someone who pedantically goes on and on and on about what somebody says 30 seconds in you sure as frick didn't watch the rest of it

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            So you admit the NAPA oil filter housing with .75 cents of additional o-rings DOES actually exist now?

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yes I've just received some intel from a very intuitive stellantis enthusiast [...] who believes the NAPA oil filter housing may actually exist and may have been manufactured with additional o-rings that stellantis forgot to include.

            Black person logic

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            compelling argument

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >hello Mr Chinaman of the dongguan jeep parts factory
            >oooh ching chong herro mistah napah wat can eye do for u
            >yeah uh can we get an order of those pentastar coolers but we want you to use o-rings from this other Chinese supplier instead of random things found lying around the factory
            >shah mista napahh we do anyting if u pei ha ha ha is joke off coulse

            "napa" oil coolers and mopar oil coolers come from the same chinese factory the only difference is Mopar pays more for QC. They are literally the same thing.

            compelling argument

            More compelling than taking a third person anectotal question wildly out of context and pretending that is the crux of your argument despite being proven wrong no less than 5 minutes later in the same video.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            https://i.imgur.com/s4RsRz7.gif

            >additional o-rings

            nibba didn't watch the video

            >t. Didn't watch the part where stellantis presses all the fittings and bungs in without any form of sealing
            Based stellantis enthusiast couldn't make it past the part where they clearly stated how common the problems were

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            the sensors are screwed in not pressed, and you only need teflon on the temp/press sensors for metal homie because the plastic one is self-sealing.

            >how common the problems are

            they literally dismissed all the problems with the engine as a technician training issue and a random defective rash of o-rings. they even said most of the problem comes from when lube monkeys forget to put oil on the o-ring of the filter cartridge and it sticks which causes excess force and breaks things.

            you can sit there and cry and cope about it all you want
            those dudes literally said pentastar oil cooler leaks are a skill issue

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >still still still still still still STILL didn't watch the video
            What are the sensors screwed into my big brained stellantis enthusiast friend?

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            a remanned Mopar oil cooler constructed by Dorman and sold by literally any auto parts store with a pulse? You know Dorman is an OE manufacturer and NAPA is not, right? NAPA is just a store. The oil cooler is the product. Just because they sell a product in a box with their logo on it doesn't mean they make it.
            I know that video is complex and the relationship between the three companies involved here is a bit unusual but to bring us back to your original claim, which was that NAPA has some kind of specially engineered and unique oil cooler that is appreciably different or better than the OEM one, which is demonstrably not true, ironically the video you posted actually explains this arrangement in detail but you elected to watch only the first 30 seconds of it before posting which, in turn, has caused you significant embarrassment and consternation for which you are currently coping up your butthole.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            literally no tech does this, I hate that I've replaced 100 of these things

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >additional o-rings

            nibba didn't watch the video

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            do you have any info on this mythical napa oil cooler or not
            you're just digging the hole deeper

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yes I've just received some intel from a very intuitive stellantis enthusiast

            no he's referring to TECHNICIANS asking what is different so they know what steps they need to take when installing it, as previous replacement oil coolers often came disassembled or missing parts that have to be salvaged from the original. The parts are not actually different.

            [...]
            >the changes: 75 cents of o-rings
            wow such engineering
            many changes

            for someone who pedantically goes on and on and on about what somebody says 30 seconds in you sure as frick didn't watch the rest of it

            who believes the NAPA oil filter housing may actually exist and may have been manufactured with additional o-rings that stellantis forgot to include.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >ESL Jeet literally has no theory of mind and cannot comprehend a person talking about what another person might say

            how would you feel if you didn't eat breakfast this morning?

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Is the other person asking about the non existent NAPA replacement filter housing?

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >if you spend money on something and then return it it's literally free
            woman math

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            You talk like ESL jeet fudder on biz

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            If you thought that posted sounded ESL, perhaps you are the one who doesn't properly understand English.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            shut up thirdie go shit in a street

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Wow what a compelling argument

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Ok you are definitely a jeet

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Wow what a compelling argument

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Give it time. You probably havent noticed the coolant or oil filled up under the intake.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >my grandma smoked for 80 years

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          >people act like pstar has all these problems
          There's an entire industry that revolves around redesigning oil filter housings for the engine and you're going to pretend the problems are imaginary?

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        hang on,
        what car is that camshaft from?
        because it;'s not a pentastar

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          pentastar 2.0 with VVL

  3. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    First, that's a Fiat minivan motor.
    Second, that's a Fiat minivan motor.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      wrong
      it was developed under daimler who also built their own 60° V6 from the plans
      fiat bought chrysler just to get their hands on this engine
      now it is fricking everywhere
      between jeeps and dodges and fiats, not a single country the planet doesn't have a pentastar in it

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Under Daimler
        Oh so it's a Mercedes engine thanks for clarifying. Outside of the leaning tower of no power slant 6, dodge has never made a v6 to save their life.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          well no
          merc has their own version of it
          it is 100% american designed

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysler_SOHC_V6_engine#3.2

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      You're thinking of a Ford, Dale.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Cologne block is gud engine

  4. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Show me a Pentashart powered plane if it's so reliable.

  5. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    This would be an ok engine if every vehicle it was in wasn't over 4000 lbs. 3400 lbs would be a sweet spot.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      even 3400lbs weighs more than my car with 4 occupants in the seats and a corpse and shovel in the boot

  6. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ecotec is the best V6 to ever come out of America

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      slow, ugly, gay

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Enough about you

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Wrong

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        yes, it's so obviously perfect nobody even felt the need to mention it

  7. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >reliable engine for a US manufacturer
    Wut. American engines generally are most reliable. It's the Korean and European engines that have that reputation.

  8. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    My next door neighbor has one of these in his jeep, it sounds like dogshit

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      unless he put a moronic exhaust on it you shouldn't be able to hear it at all

      https://i.imgur.com/98NDdxI.jpg

      Only reliable part in that picture is the ZF Lenksysteme getreibe.

      *ticktickticktickticktick*

      it's the 2016+ VVTL cam

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >stellantis VTEC
        Oh dear.... what could possibly go wrong?

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          >what could possibly go wrong
          white women and minorities

  9. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >noooo it's leaking bro you just can't see the leak I swear it's leaking bro it's plastic please bro stop please give me 300 bucks bro please I have to put this dorman chinese pot metal shit where the plastic is bro it's leaking bro you just can't see it bro pay me 5 hours of labor to undo some screws bro you know a gorillion kajillion people have problems with this engine bro it's totally not anything i did nooo they made 6 million bad engines bro all of them bro you have to watch scottie kilmer bro hell yell ya

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >NOoOoOOOOOO IT'S JUST A CONSPIRACY
      >THE ENGINE IS ACTUALLY REALLY RELIABLE AND THEY JUST INVESTED TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS INTO MAKING REPLACEMENT PARTS BECAUSE THEY WANT TO TRY TO TRICK YOU INTO GIVING THEM MONEY

      the cope is tangible

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        ok but what actually sounds more plausible
        >6 million engines are all defective and there is a global conspiracy to make this one part bad on purpose because reasons????
        or
        >careless overworked lube techs break shit

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          or
          >the part was terribly designed which is why so many aftermarket companies redesigned it

          the other ones are AliExpress factory relabels of the Dorman you fricking moron

          >this homie actually buying Amazon HOMOFUN BRAND oil coolers

          you don't deserve your ase platter

          Based moron

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            they are referring to the fact that the current Mopar part carries an AE designation meaning it's been revised by the manufacturer at least 5 times. It has NOT been "redesigned" by "other companies".
            Disingenuous fricking idiot, try watching your own link before you make yourself look like an even bigger moron.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah I watched it, did you get to the part where they talk about all the flaws of filter housing and how they redesigned it to fix those problems?
            Or did you just close the video 3 minutes in like the moron that you are?

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            You mean how MOPAR redesigned it? So it's good now and those redesigned parts come from the factory so all your gay FUD is outdated cope? That part?
            Yes I watched it. Did you?

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >still didn't watch it

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >nooo you have to sit there for the whole thing and listen to them verify everything you said
            lol
            was this supposed to be an argument? you literally just proved me right in every way

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >doesn't watch the video
            >comes back and tells me that the video proves him right

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >greentexts a bunch of shit that was real in his mind
            >"heh another argument win for me"

            So this is the intellectual power of the stellantis enthusiast

            you should probably actually watch the video before you post it next time instead of pretending you did

            the 5 part revisions are Mopar revisions and there is a diff part number for each one. There are no aftermarket engineered or designed oil coolers for the Pentastar whatsoever. You are a liar and a fool.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >still still STILL won't actually watch the video

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >still won't watch his own video
            >still trying to claim that napa is reengineering Mopar parts and there is some masssive fundamental difference between them

            bro they put an extra o ring in the box ITS TOTALLY REDESIGNED don't forget to like and subscribe

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            hahahha he finally actually watched a bit more

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            see

            btw the only difference from AF to AE is that the AE assembly comes with two main o-rings, one for gen 1 and one for gen2 pstars.
            AA->AB is when they switched the filter design to one with a built in bypass valve.
            There is no aftermarket design for this part, they are just copying Mopar.

            I knew about the revisions already moron I didn't need a jiffy lube training video to understand how mopar part numbers work. You however need a remedial course in English, clearly.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >only doorman makes aftermarket filter housings and the rest are chinese copies of doorman

            OH NO NO NO

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            this is actually true though
            you didn't think WEILEITE was a real company did you?
            https://www.amazon.com/WEILEITE-Aluminum-Compatible-Challenger-2011-2016/dp/B09XXHGG53

            it's just a dorman made in the same chink factory out of chink metal but without a us based company to complain to when the shitty chink seals made from recycled condoms fail

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >still didn't watch the video of the NAPA filter housing

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            you mean the mopar filter housing that Chrysler redesigned for better bypass valve action? And the filters themselves, which are part of that bypass assembly, are on their third revision?

            napa didn't do shit moron
            they are literally talking about the handful of oem revisions that their replacement parts follow you complete fricking moron.
            I don't know how many times you have to be told but you're just dead wrong and your video only makes you more wrong.
            Napa doesn't make or design parts, Chrysler does, so nothing you're even trying to claim makes any sense.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >still didn't actually watch it

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >still trying to pretend there is some groundbreaking revelation here other than AA, AB, AC, AD, AF and AE have slightly different o rings and filter cartridges
            >still trying to claim napa makes or designs parts
            >still hasn't watched his own video
            >still seething about something that never needs fixing as long as it's kept away from Black folk

            in before "ZOMG yOu dINT wUtCH iT!!!!!?111111111"

            no. cry about it.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Literally in the first 30 seconds he holds up their oil filter housing and says "You might be thinking 'why yours' or 'how is it different to OE'".
            Stellantis enthusiasts really struggle to take in information huh?

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >makes dumb easily verified claim
            >posts a yt vid as proof
            >ha I gotcha
            >get shit on by some napa register biscuits and a guy with a v6 dodge
            L

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >greentexts a bunch of shit that was real in his mind
            >"heh another argument win for me"

            So this is the intellectual power of the stellantis enthusiast

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            btw the only difference from AF to AE is that the AE assembly comes with two main o-rings, one for gen 1 and one for gen2 pstars.
            AA->AB is when they switched the filter design to one with a built in bypass valve.
            There is no aftermarket design for this part, they are just copying Mopar.

  10. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    can you two just get a room already

  11. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Duratec hit it first
    Ford is like ray j of v6s

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Ford is like ray j of v6s

      They filmed a sex tape with a random prostitute and the random prostitute went on to be a billion times more successful than they ever were?

  12. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    works on machine

  13. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >"why ours" "how does it differ from OE"
    Based stellantis enthusiast

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      you forgot the part right before that
      >some of the questions I've heard are...

      sorry to hear you have some kind of horrible autism that only allows you to hear words every 30 seconds but it's not my problem

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      and the answer they give is that it doesn't differ anymore
      that's the entire point of the video

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >that's the entire point of the video
        >t. man who didn't watch the video

        Based moron
        They clearly explained the changes they made to improve the OE design.

  14. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ah so now you admit that the filter housing IS different, and that it IS sold by NAPA under the NAPA logo?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      the housings are the same
      you are the one who continuously claims there is a different housing which demonstrably isn't true
      I am asking you to provide proof that there are different housings and you cannot, so idk what to tell you
      you lost this battle three hours ago when you tried to claim 30 sec fatboy said something he didnt

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >the housings are the same
        >(apart for the bits that are different)

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          >there are no parts that are different except the parts that are not expressly part of the housing

          it's just the included temp and pressure sensors that are different angles for different cars wiring harnesses
          the actual oil cooler housing is identical and cross compatible across all of them. oh and rev AA from 2010-2012 takes a different filter and cap that is not compatible with later revisions but the housing itself is still the same. Napa doesn't build, design, or assemble the oil coolers. Dorman is the OE manufacturer for the part. Mopar designed it. Napa is merely a delivery boy. You seem to not be able to actually understand abstract topics such as "technician a says, technician b says" or the complex relationship between the branding of merchandise and the actual people who sell it. As an expert on this topic I'm just going to say it: you have autism.

          so answer me, how would you feel if you didn't eat breakfast this morning?

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            If you'd bothered to watch the video, you'd see the part where they explain what they changed with the housing.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            they literally said they made it closer to OEM standards by including the correct sensors and o-rings for each application
            they quite notably DID NOT change the housing at all because it was discovered that the failures were actually caused by the problem holding the wrench and not a design defect as was originally thought.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >they made it
            Ah so you admit NAPA made it?

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >they made it
            >Ah so you admit NAPA made it?
            no Dorman made it
            how many times will it take to get this thru your thick skull?

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            So doorman makes another housing, of different design, for NAPA to sell as their own?

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            no they are the OEM for this part for Dodge so they make it to Mopars specification
            the Pentastar is expressly designed to use the same parts across the board and the oil cooler is a key component of the engines thermal control system, so it hasn't changed because that would affect the engines ability to warm up and possibly reduce performance and increase emissions.

            So no, it's an oe part made to OE specifications by Dorman who makes the same parts for everybody as they are the OE manufacturer for this part and stay within manufacturer specification as best as possible.

            there is only one Pentastar oil cooler housing design that fits all the cars regardless of orientation or displacement.

            >"they said they made it"
            >"but they didn't make it"
            the duality of the stellantis enthusiast

            >they means whoever I feel like
            Christ are you female or what
            you know what is meant jackass

            and again you're wrong and have yet to show any proof of this supposed special aftermarket oil cooler assembly that may not exist.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >they make it to Mopars specification
            >(except for the parts where they fixed Mopars poor engineering)

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            napa doesn't make parts moron

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >"they said they made it"
            >"but they didn't make it"
            the duality of the stellantis enthusiast

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            it's literally an emissions affecting part
            Dorman cannot stray from OEM spec or else it has to be carb/EPA certified
            they are all the same housing and cartridge filter with different sensors for different cars. Nobody is re-engineering them.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yes they didn't change the material, to adhere to the same heat exchanging properties, but they did change the places where the OE housing leaked oil.
            As explained in the video you didn't watch.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            except they didn't change anything about the housing
            the included housing/exchanger o-rings are now the correct mopar specification which is actually something mopar forums chads have known about for a while. the previous sets included with Dorman units have a tendency to melt. that is no longer the case. the housing did not change. its accessories did.
            you can keep coping and seething and playting these little frick frick games all you like but you're actually, provably, physically, immutably wrong.
            if there really was an internally improved aftermarket cooler everybody in the lx and jeep community would be talking about it.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >didn't watch the video
            They did change the housing, and they explain it in the video.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            they didn't change the housing, mopar and dorman did, perhaps on request. but the part is still made by dorman and not napa or eichlin or whatever. napa doesn't make or design parts they just put them in boxes.
            do you not realize that multiple companies are involved in the design and manufacture of this item? some random auto parts store doesn't have "engineers", they are talking about their OEM which would be Dorman Engineering.

            Yes they didn't change the material, to adhere to the same heat exchanging properties, but they did change the places where the OE housing leaked oil.
            As explained in the video you didn't watch.

            they didn't change anything about the housing at all, you can see this in the video you keep claiming i didn't watch even though i know more about it than you

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Well he said "our" engineers, so we can assume they were either directly or indirectly employed by NAPA to make the NAPA part that NAPA sells in a NAPA box after they made some changes to the housing to secure it against some of the common oil leak failures as explained in the video.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            yes "our engineers" aka a third party company they contract work out to
            look up job listing for napas "engineering" positions, they are all retail engineering and computer systems, they don't have actual automotive engineers who can design parts because they will pay other people do do that.
            regardless nothing was changed on the oil cooler.
            if there was really a better product it'd be out there and you wouldn't be arguing because you'd have a product listing as proof not just desperately grasping at a few out of context sound bytes from a napa employee's training video and pretending you're not getting absolutely booty blasted over it

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >no it doesn't count as being your product if you use contractors to develop it
            hahahhaha what a goalpost shift!
            Contractors are used to develop a great deal many products for a great deal many companies.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >it doesn't count as being your product if you use contractors
            unironically though
            >nu-supra a bmw
            >GT86 a subaru

            problem?

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            I don't think you have any idea how many contracted parts go into every vehicle manufactured

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            are you a chat gpt bot? this post doesn't even make sense contextually. of course i know that was my argument the entire time
            if napa sells you, say, a crankshaft sensor and it comes in a napa box but the label on the part says delco, who made it?

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            If we used your goalpost shifting logic that:
            >if you used a contracter, it doesn't count as your product
            Then there would be very few products considered to be made by anyone.

            It's obviously your silly goalpost shift after making the foolish statement that the oil filter housings shown in the video we "akshually genuine mopar ones" but then that shifted to "No they're Doorman housing" now its "ok they're NAPA housing but I say contracters were used somewhere in the process (with no evidence btw) so therefore it doesn't actually count as being from NAPA".

            It's all very arduous getting you to admit you're wrong.
            Also please stop double replying to all my posts.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            You are the goalpost shifter moron
            you spent 10 hours trying to argue completely autistic and incorrect semantics instead of car shit because you misinterpreted a statement 30 seconds into the video you posted.
            and instead of being like "oh you're right my English is not great, he did not say what I think he did" you doubled down on the moronation, tried to argue that napa sells a unique and different "improved" item, and then tried to argue that products are directly made by the retail store that sells them because their name is on the box. You moved the goalposts so far outside of the pitch even you can't find them.

            Your video doesn't prove what you think it does.
            Until you can post actual physical proof that the housings are physically different (not just a dude holding it 100 feet from the camera and nebulously saying it's "been improved") you've lost this argument.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >misinterpreted a statement 30 seconds
            Yes I "misinterpreted" it to mean they sell their own oil filter housing, which they do. You've spent the last 50 posts changing your mind about that - didn't you say they were actually genuine Mopar filter housings in the video before?

            https://i.imgur.com/XhkJxJE.gif

            >It's all very arduous getting you to admit you're wrong.
            and you're doing it for free

            Seriously stop double replying to my every post, it's moronic.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            cope
            you've been at this for 12 hours and you're still wrong lmao
            I hope napa is paying you to shill at least

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            How can NAPA be paying me to shill a part that, according to you, they don't sell?

            you can't even follow along with your own arguments
            and keep pretending your autistic unsubstantiated semantics mean anything to the discussion
            just kys moron you failed debate class

            shut up moron

            >triple replying
            This is a new low, even for you.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            your idiotic circular logic is easily seen thru by anybody with a brain

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            You've changed your mind about what's in that video about 5 times now buddy

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            you haven been able to even follow the video past 30 seconds because your brain runs out of ram
            verification not required

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            So are they talking about OE filter housings? Doorman housings? Or NAPA housings?

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            watch it and find out ;^)

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Oh damn you won't say now? You seemed to have some pretty strong opinions of it before, albeit 3 or 4 different opinions.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >he never watched it in the first place
            thanks for your capitulation

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah that's what that means buddy, when I call you out for changing your mind of what was in the video 3 or 4 times that's me admitting I didn't watch it myself.
            Congratulations, it must be really easy to win arguments when you just imagine what the other person says.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >still seething

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >still moronic

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >being this butt frustrated over 24 hours later

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            you can't even follow along with your own arguments
            and keep pretending your autistic unsubstantiated semantics mean anything to the discussion
            just kys moron you failed debate class

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            shut up moron

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >It's all very arduous getting you to admit you're wrong.
            and you're doing it for free

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >goalpost shit
            >from the gay whos spent the last 4 hours arguing that there is a secret special napa exclusive pentastar oil cooler you can get if you use strength on the truck in viridian city

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            so if it's different what is the part number and where can i purchase it? have you got a picture? because the oil coolers in the video are all mopar/dorman oil coolers not napa

  15. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    3.9 magnum was better

  16. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Kita why are you like this

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      stay in your containment thread norville

  17. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    a million monkeys typing on a million typewriters will eventually produce one (1) functional american gasoline motor

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >germcrap
      >japcrap
      >6 cams and 48 miles of timing chain later it still sucks
      >dont forget to cover the whole engine in black ABS plastic

  18. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    The japanese ran so you could walk to the shart mart

  19. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    My family has a 2015 and 2017 jeep grand cherokee, at 110k and 190k miles respectively (yes, the 2017 is higher mileage). Both were bought under 5k miles.

    Aside from regular maintainence, the ONLY thing that has went bad on it was the oil filter cooler since the plastic warped. This only happened on the lower mileage car though.

    All in all, no real complaints about them. Unironically I would throw one into a sand rail and go bombing in it.

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