How many modern cartoons have done this trope?

How many modern cartoons have done this trope?

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    All the ones that should have ended a long time ago.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      All of them did, dumbass. None of these shows are airing anymore.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I meant longer ago than they did, as in the very moment prior to when they started trying to be dark.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/CerebusSyndrome/WesternAnimation

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The Owl House may have accomplished beating the aforementioned Gravity Falls on this, being one of, if not the darkest Disney show ever released.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's tvtropes alright

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's tvtropes alright

        I mean theres alot of demons compared to gravity falls so yeah

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It’s a Disney show for Christ’s sake. I get what they’re trying to say, but it’s like calling an episode of Sesame Street “the darkest PBS episode ever released”.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            teaching small children about death is pretty dark

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I mean, Seasame Street as an educational public service show has done some grim and uncomfortable "special episodes" even if its not your typical edge lord stuff.

            Seasame Street has an episode that covered the topic of children whose parents have been incarcerated and how to deal with that. Do you ever want to be the guy that has to explain to a 5 year old that daddy can't come home for a while cause he sold some no-no powder in the street? Not exactly a fun conversation.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Is there a darker show Disney has done? They aren't exactly known for being dark and gritty to begin with.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Gargoyles? That's before my time (and I'm assuming yours as well), but I know it exists

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Adventure Time popularized it.
    >Amphibia
    >Owl House
    >Dragon Prince

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Dragon Prince

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Owl House
      In the first episode we get the establishment of the Emperor's Coven as the overarching antagonist faction and the motivation of Luz to become a witch. Within the fifth episode we get: Eda's curse which becomes an important recurring plotline, and the introduction of Lilith as the main antagonist. Owl House was always a serialized show.

      In fact, this entire "trope" is just basic ass storytelling. You don't immediately go full throttle, you do these low stakes interaction to have the the cast interact with each other and the setting so when the actual story plot points start happening, they hit harder.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The only thing missing in that image is a mention of "generational trauma"

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Adventure tiem
    Stephen universe
    Gravy falls
    Ko ok
    Amphibiland
    Victor en Valentines
    Owl haus
    The gross and molly mcgee

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Stephen universe
      >Gravy falls

      >lore out of left field
      Seriously?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >molly mcgee
      You didn’t watch it

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Stor vs the forces of evil

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    First one that comes to mind is Svtfoe but that started at the conclusion of the first season.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Literally RWBY.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      RWBY's problem is that it wanted to be a serious, lore-heavy show from the start, but instead it wasted a ton of time on moronic bullshit and hamfisted its way through nearly a dozen seasons of nonsensical, barely explained bullshit.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Let's be real here, would you REALLY watch a show/read a comic that immediately started out gritty and dark but then intermittently between arcs was episodic, lighthearted, and whimsical?
    Would you ACTUALLY want a mix of these two polar opposite things purely for consistency's sake?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      These threads are being made by people who think that there's "too much lore" and who just want wacky episodic adventures. There is plenty of toddlershit for these kinds of people but they don't know about it because no sane adult is actually talking about toddlershit on DA. You need at least some semblance of plot to have discussions online.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Right, like I love Looney Tunes and all but not every cartoon needs to be that. People keep wanting everything to be one thing and everything at the same time.
        >Don't make it too different!
        >But also don't make it boring!
        >Don't make it go on too long!
        >But also I won't watch new things!

        Your post is stupid. Most shows that do this had at least some vague intention of doing this from the start. The only one that just straight up threw lore into the mix in the last season for the sake of bandwagoning is Regular show.

        >Your post is stupid
        No u.
        >the rest
        "Vague idea" is not good enough. Regular show's just a worse case scenario of that. Either have a conceivable, solid plan from the get go and integrate it to some degree beforehand so it doesn't feel jarring, or don't bother at all. Either go full silly and stay there, or don't. Nobody likes inconsistency in a story.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Going from silly to gritty is just seen as the default natural progression.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Well it's wrong. It isn't natural. It is nearly always forced, that's why it feels forced, because it is. You could easily make a gritty spinoff or what-if scenario.

            https://i.imgur.com/cPLAkeX.jpeg

            >Would you ACTUALLY want a mix of these two polar opposite things purely for consistency's sake?
            Yes. Made in Abyss does this and it works really well. The periods of grittiness compliment the saccharine. The contrast creates suspense during the good periods and hope in the bad periods. Removing one or the other would either create bland moe or misery porn, which might be fine in small doses, but for a serial it makes things feel one note.

            THIS is better, even if I find "muh trauma" to be an overused midwit term for character depth. If you're going to do both, make it balanced and part of a singular whole, do not make people come to expect sweet and then give them a sudden, continuous mouthful of sour.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It doesn't feel natural to you but clearly normies feel otherwise. This follow basic logic that childhood is carefree whileadulthood is full of struggle.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >normies feel otherwise. This follow basic logic that childhood is carefree whileadulthood is full of struggle.
            Jesus christ I think this post gave me cancer.
            >Dude, that's just like, your opinion, man.
            >But normie opinions are right, just not yours.
            >This follow basic logic that childhood is carefree whileadulthood is full of struggle.
            >This follow basic logic that childhood is carefree whileadulthood is full of struggle.
            My brother in christ you are talking about CARTOONS.
            Cartoons are not people; this is not logic in any fricking sense, this is anti-logic. NONE of what you just said is inherent or necessary for a singular series of an IP. So if normies commonly believe the sky is red, I guess it must be? Even with that they still acknowledge the sudden shift, there was never any point where this imaginary normie horde said "oh yeah, that's an eloquent and smooth way to write something", just you.

            Even with that, who cares what they think. Normies are moronic and think making characters cry is good writing, that's why they're not writers.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Many writers would agree with my analogy, it's very simple and makes sense. Fiction is not 100% escapism, on some basic level it involves a connection to reality, which this comparison provides. Beginning is childhood, later parts are adulthood. You surely have at least once seen people say about how a certain show grew up as it was ongoing. I think the real issue is that you don't like this kind of progression to begin with, not that it's "jarring".

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >These threads are being made by people who think that there's "too much lore" and who just want wacky episodic adventures.
        They don’t want to actually watch those, they just want as much of them to exist as possible because they hate the alternative.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Not him but the only reason they hate the alternative is because the execution of them has been so lame and homosexual, so they mistakenly associate the things they don't like in post-2008 animation as being the fault of having non-episodic stories. Meanwhile they will praise old shows with plots that they like without any thought. Old thing me like is red circle, new thing me no like is blue cactus. Blue cactus make fingies hurt, must be because new thing is blue!

          moronic.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Would you ACTUALLY want a mix of these two polar opposite things purely for consistency's sake?
      Yes. Made in Abyss does this and it works really well. The periods of grittiness compliment the saccharine. The contrast creates suspense during the good periods and hope in the bad periods. Removing one or the other would either create bland moe or misery porn, which might be fine in small doses, but for a serial it makes things feel one note.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You mean like DBZ and its infamous driving school episode?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You're literally describing Deadpool's fictional history. He's a very popular character.

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ok but really why do creators always do this with there cartoons

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I've said it before but it's because they ran out of ideas and have to extend their popular show's lifespan by trying to shoehorn in something resembling a plot where there was none before. The only one that really did it naturally was Gravity Falls and I honestly think the only reason it was able to was because Hirsch was too lazy to pump out episodes enough to make inconsequential episodic adventures and keep people tuned in.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Your post is stupid. Most shows that do this had at least some vague intention of doing this from the start. The only one that just straight up threw lore into the mix in the last season for the sake of bandwagoning is Regular show.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Gravity falls wanking

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ether
      1. Caving to fan expectations/former fans join the staff
      2. They always wanted this shit and just had to pitch something more markable to execs.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What do you call it when a show constantly teases a darker more serious tone, but can't commit to it and returns to the comedic status quo like in Amphibia?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Safe edgy? Weird that this didn't become as widespread of a term as "safe horny".

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's because the term "safe horny" offends redditors for some reason.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          let's not pretend being dismissive of /misc/shit is a feature exclusive to reddit

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Lorebaiting

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Rick and Morty is fricking awful at this, even the writers themselves constantly switch from wanting the show to be episodic or lore-based. I don't mind either just commit. If you don't it just feels unfocused.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        the answer is they don't actually care. They like money and will continue to write what gets them money. If you are a halfway competent writer (and most tv show writers are nepo babies who can't script or write so that's very hard) it's not that hard to do to just keep an ongoing plot you can kill at any time. It's especially easy when 9/10 of your runtime is gags. Futurama tied it off three times and matt groening is a hack. Every single running tv drama is forced to run this way due to execs where a second season is never guaranteed. It's unfocused because that's how american TV is forced to be structured except where you have experienced people who sell a specific story that will take place over or 1 or x seasons like, IDK shogun (and now they're going to continue that in a manner that is certainly going to be an abomination given the continuation past the source material)

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Executive meddling. Everyone would "fully commit to it" if they were actually fricking allowed to.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I wouldn't call them silly, but Gargoyles and X-Men applies to a show that had a basic premise that grew more convoluted.

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >nobody can name any examples of this that are still airing.
    Guess it’s not a problem anymore

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Have ye all forgotten?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's a world were if a game is lost then hundreds if not thousands of citizens are reduced to worms and a area of city eradicated. Sure it has some highlights comedy moments, but it's not happy go lucky.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Season 1 was essentially slice of life with lesson of the week.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          With a dash of Post Apocalypse given Dot and Enzo are the only survivors of their sister city.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It may have started then, but it wasn't really popularized until Adventure Time.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      i like the story behind that.
      To get their show published, Mainframe needed sponsorship from someone with big pockets, and CTV nor the CBC wasn't gonna spring for it so they went to Americans and ABC picked it up. "This is a kid's show, we have certain expectations, and we want final script approval because you're representing our brand." So all the art was filtered through a committee of desk jockeys who have metrics and marketing magazines. Gotta have a moral to the story, good always wins, no kids getting harmed, etc etc.

      Then they got cancelled, but they still had a few episodes left to fulfill. No more script approval because ABC didn't care. That's why they could do multi-episode stories and Enzo could get beat up just before the end.

      Later, Hasbro calls Mainframe on the phone. "Hey, your computer cartoons look great, we've got a new toy line for toy robots, we want you to sell our new merch." Great! We've got jobs again. Hey, so, can we keep doing Reboot? "Sure! That's what we loved about it." So, who do we go to for script approval? "... I could care less, son, just so long as you sell our toys and our cartoon gets made first."

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Monkie Kid but nobody watched it

  15. 2 weeks ago
    El Barto

    i’m pretty sure most of these were planned that way

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Adventure Time wasn’t and since it was the first to do it everyone associates this trope with it.

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Good humor
    >Good action
    >Good premise hook
    >Fun cast
    >Episodic with gradual continuity as our heroes gain new powers
    >Light-hearted with only a couple of serious moments that still feel tonally appropriate
    >Even their off-screen death scene in the finale feels tonally appropriate and not like it belongs in a different show

    How did they do it? Was it that early Warner Brothers money?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The brainrot that comes from loving anime but refusing to engage fully with what anime actually is wasn't present in that generation of writers, just kung fu movies.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Holy frick that's it. That's why when things are clearly anime inspired it feels so hollow.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >refusing to engage fully with what anime actually is
        What's that supposed to mean?

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's obvious that they are using animu formula that works wonders sometimes. Getting to know the characters while the villain is working in the background is a pretty good storytelling device. The problem is when they make it too silly and I don't care about the serious stuff anymore. It's all about execution. I do wish that western animation had more cartoons that start serious from episode 1

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    steven the fat sucker universe

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Adventure Time is the only really good example of this. Every other example is a show that started out that way and just had the lore take up more episodes as time went on.
    Rebecca Sugar had the lore planned out before Steven Universe even began, how in the world are people arguing the show "turned into" that when that's what the show was before it began?

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Isn’t this something some shows specifically do because they don’t know if they’re going to be renewed for a second season, so there’s no point starting plot threads that might not get finished?

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'll let you know if I ever watch a modern cartoon.

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I wonder if it's something to do with upping the whimsy to get past the initial production stages, and then once they've established a working production pipeline, they can pivot to more intense storytelling.

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't think a single show has actually done this, it's just moronic cartoon but dark yt parodies that make it seem like this is a trite overdone trope when I don't think any actual show has done this

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >no mention of Moral Orel
    DA has fallen

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This normally happens because most creators want to do the 2nd type of story but know that most studios will only green-light the 1st one, so they kinda have to start with it and then build up to what they actually wanna do.
    Also since subsequent seasons are never promised the pacing always feels off, trapped between being capable of closing the story within its current season but also wanting to keep going until the desired end in one or two more seasons.
    TLDR: Western animation is always a hassle to get anything good done.

  26. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Too many

  27. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Are we also counting video games?

  28. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Zero have done this as fully as the meme implies they do because execgays force them to keep it somewhat comedic no matter how serious they want it to be

  29. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How many shows in general have done this? Not nearly enough. In Western animation, it's just Moral Orel and, to a lesser extent, Bojack Horseman.

  30. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >"the fat ugly disgusting moron was supposed to be biden"
    >"the fat ugly disgusting moron was supposed to be trump"
    >cut to the create unknown episode 2 months from now where zach states every pixel on the screen was a rorschach test and how clever he is for using that explanation for every uncomfortable writing challenge

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Oops wrong thread

  31. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Brilliantly parodied by Wander. Can't wait until Craig gets to reboot this instead of PPG for the third time.

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