"If you can't afford a BMW or Merc new, you can't afford it used"

Is this true or just wrenchlet cope that they have to pay mechanics?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    depends on the engine tbh

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      So I probably should stay away from a v12 if I like having spending cash?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        yes

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          gay go look up some of M539's 850i restorations.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The V12 in the original 850i is actually very low maintenance. The V8s on the other hand are not.

            >wants me to believe a fricking 8 series is easy to mantain
            how about you frick off?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Ngl it just sounds like you're a wrenchlet. If you are making a blanket statement that not just a certain year, not just a certain model, but an entire *series* of different cars across all years of production is somehow impossible to work on, tbh it sounds like you're coping.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            May very well be no more trouble than an old 3 Series but on a V12 you got multiples of parts to buy when it needs replacing something.

            Yeah we get it you don't like cars

            I will not buy the pigfat german Gran Tourer shitbox no matter how much you shill how "reliable" it is.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous
          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Your c4 weighs 3500lbs, which is a solid 800lb more than the m3 in OP's picrel.

            Not to mention that your c4 is 250lb heavier and has barely half of the chassis rigidity of my c5.

            Also not to mention your Optispark and LT1 if you want to talk reliability.

            In conclusion, cope somewhere else about your obsolete "sports car".

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Are you moronic or don't know what an 8 series is?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I will not buy any German Car, they are heavy
            >This German Car is nearly a thousand pounds lighter than your car
            (You have a temper tantrum.)

            it is YOU who is moronic! Get castrated, immediately!!!

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >This German Car is nearly a thousand pounds lighter than your car
            >V12 serie 8
            >lighter than a C4
            Are you fricking moronic???????????

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I am so utterly moronic I can't consider that there is more than one car in the entire country of Germany.

            I changed my mind, skip the castration and just have a nice day if you're unironically this moronic.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            it doesn't fricking matter how many cars GERM-mans have made because this discussion is about the 8 series, moronic ESL.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            8 series was a colossal failure but enough time has passed that zoomers who don’t remember them have started to champion them. To answer the question I can only say for bmw but generally m10/m20/m30 powered BMWs are stout. Of course these models are now 30-35 years old so things may break.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >c4 is obsolete but my c5 isn't
            huh?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Of course my c5 is obsolete. It's still leagues better than your car. And unlike you I don't sit around lying to myself about it.

            have a nice day and post the video so I can put it in my cringe compilation

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Your c4 weighs 3500lbs
            only if you're talking about the C4 ZR1, which absolutely blows anything BMW was making at the time out of the fricking water.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            May very well be no more trouble than an old 3 Series but on a V12 you got multiples of parts to buy when it needs replacing something.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah we get it you don't like cars

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The V12 in the original 850i is actually very low maintenance. The V8s on the other hand are not.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          that is actually bullshit

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The V8 is easy to maintain, the V12 was by far the hardest since it was just two i6s strapped together (which also meant two ECUs). Infact, the V12 in the 8 series is considered probably the most painful V12 to maintain of any model.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Lol nah

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Pretty damn close. The only worse V12 that comes to mind is the one from the E65.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          There was a dude in Roundel a few years ago that spent $120k keeping his 8 series V12 going since he bought it new

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No there wasn't. Stay the FRICK out of the passing lane when you see those angel eyes and roundel, you little weeblet.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            seethe behind me turkroach, you can't even afford lpg for your clapped base model 316i e46

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            666+ ponies. Get the FRICK out of the passing lane when you see those angel eyes and roundel you weeblet slowgaylet

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            larp

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        the v12 is one of the best. stay away from 4 cylinders and v8s

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    if you wrench yourself this does not apply.

    owned an audi A8 when i was in college and fixed everything myself. i still have the car today. just be careful with rare models as parts can be super expensive and/or a b***h to find.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I can't speak for every German luxury car, but I used to work at an M3 specialist and a lot of the stuff we regularly did on those cars wasn't really viable for a casual home mechanic, the cost in specialty tools alone was more than having a shop do the work, sometimes more than the car was worth. (ECU stuff where we had to use an Autologic diagnostic computer that was like $30k plus an annual subscription and that was the CHEAP option compared to the official factory BMW, and you needed it even for stuff that should be simple like properly bleeding the brakes after a pad change.)

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What year(s) are these m3s. That’s super lame

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          He means the tessie model 3 which is ugly slow and gay by the way

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          E46s and E92s, mostly. Aside from dumb ECU-related shit like the brakes (which had to be done that way to properly bleed the ABS system, actually kinda cool since you just opened the bleeder, hit a button, and let it do its thing) we did a lot of subframe reinforcements, which require welding and would be a nightmare without a lift, internal engine stuff like rod bearings and VANOS hubs that require a clean indoor environment and precision torque wrenches and other specialty tools that wouldn't be worth it for a one-off job, and so on.

          This is my old shop BTW, contrary to what

          Lol you don't know what you're talking about. What kind of moronic raid is ths? Get off my board, homosexual russian

          thinks it's in Southern California

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Shit, forgot the pic. This was also sometime around 2016 (whenever the F80/82 was brand new) and maybe people have figured out cheaper aftermarket ways to frick with the ECU stuff now.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Lol you don't know what you're talking about. What kind of moronic raid is ths? Get off my board, homosexual russian

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        kinda interesting. i picked up a used VCDS cable for about 230 bucks and ive used that for any diag. however ive rarely ever needed it, then again my A8 is a 1994 model. CANBUS had recently been introduced in VAG models at the time. i dont know bimmers very well but pretty much all VAG models, even lamborghinis and bugattis i believe, can use VCDS.

        as for special tools, i have not really had any need for that with my A8. i technically needed a special tool on a newer VAG car (skoda octavia) to install the rear main seal (its an entire assembly go check it out) but i used a vernier caliper and common sense to ensure the crank sensor part of the assembly was timed correctly. you can definitely hillbilly your way around a lot of special tools.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    we just had this exact same thread. frick off.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      And your temper tantrum will resolve this, how exactly?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        my comments in this thread will accomplish nothing but informing you of how gay and stupid you are, and i will consider that a worthwhile use of my time.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          "I am going to try to insult you and fail miserably, which I consider to be a good use of my time"

          I guess if the alternative is eating glue, sure. An even better use of your time is taking a shower and getting a job

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            i can assure you i am on the clock, smelling great, and getting paid handsomely to remind you of how much of a gay idiot you are. now remind me again what you're wasting your time doing in this thread.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    older cars are easier to work on. everyone knows that

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I can afford like maybe a base C class new if I want to be irresponsible.

    I have been keeping an old E class coupe and wagon on the road for years.

    So no by my experience it is not true. I have spent a lot on them as they're old cars that needed some overhauls in some areas, but no more than a car payment on a base C class for what most people would finance them for.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    why would you even bother they're all junk? I think BMW made like 1 good car and it was still proper trash.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It depends on the specific model, but some cars tend to have absolutely trivial problems that are stupidly expensive to fix because of idiotic engineering decisions.
    BIL's merc had a minor oil leak and because of the way the pump or whatever was situated, they had to pull the entire fricking engine out
    Maserati Granturismo used to have this problem that affected like 80% of sold units, which required replacing a single hose or wire or something, but to do that you had to pull the engine and transmission out
    Many cars have the timing belt/chain situated near the firewall which means that, once again, you need to remove the engine from the car to replace the parts.
    Recently I've seen a Reddit post (yeah, I know) about a merc which needed a fuel sensor replacement. Said fuel sensor was integrated with the fuel tank, and to remove that, the entire rear of the car had to be dismantled
    What I mean to say is that even reliability aside, many brands are prone to idiotic designs which make maintenance many times more complicated and expensive than it needs to be, and as good as Krauts are at making cars, they also love doing this stupid shit. This also often makes certain repairs out of scope for a casual wrencher

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don’t think I’ve ever really paid for maintenance on any BMW I’ve owned. I just trade it in after a year or two.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >wrenchlet cope
    > yes and no

    been dallying an E30 for 3 years and parts are dirt cheap
    > 150 bucks for both headlight units
    > 50 buck break pads
    > 50 bucks oil and filters
    > etc
    it's shitbox tiers prices

    the expensive ones are the later models E46-E90 etc because parts on those are stupidly high and a lot more plastic that will inevitably break

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    can some1 knowledgeable tell me, what is the most recent e-class/5-series/a6 model that actually IS cheap/reasonable to wrench on for a normal man? and ideally which specific engine?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      i mean it really depends on how skilled you are. german cars are fairly difficult to wrench on. not too familiar with BMWs, as im not a bimmerguy, but the 2000 X5 im working on now is wrenchable.

      VAG (A6) requires a large toolkit to work on, you will encounter many types of heads, weird angles and stupid designs. last VAG car i did was a 2012 model, but newest VAG ive worked on is a 2019. both are still wrenchable in your garage if you know what you are doing.

      i havent touched newer mercedes much myself but from those ive talked to these are doable for the most part. older mercs are not just doable but they can be fun to work on as well. i own a W124 with the I5 diesel, it is an awesome car EXCEPT the fan clutch, which will always fricking strip out when you have to replace it.

      in conclusion theyre all wrenchable but if you wanna have fun wrenching get something pre-2000s.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        BMWs aren't really difficult in general, they're just convoluted and require the right tools, not even really talking proprietary specialty ones but they do shit like putting torx screws deep in narrow holes so you can't even use bits and have to have a full set of individual torx drivers. There's also a weird logic to how everything is put together, it all makes sense once you're in the BMW mindset but if you're used to other cars it can be a mindfrick.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >i mean it really depends on how skilled you are
        i have 2 functional hands and the ability to read and follow instructions. even complicated ones!

        >large toolkit to work on
        how large is large? in terms of price, i mean. ill happily buy a set of wrenches, but if we start talking about proprietary tools costing several thousands, then we have a problem

        really what i want is something comfy, safe and reliable, that i can reasonably maintain on my own. ofc, ideally i'd also want it to be modern enough to get good mileage and not be in danger of being banned from city centers very soon. or worse, something that is already banned from city centers.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >i have 2 functional hands and the ability to read and follow instructions. even complicated ones!

          good youre all set then. but experience is also a factor.

          >how large is large?
          i probably have about 2k$ worth of tools myself. you dont need that much but different spanners and pipes (triple square if you go the VAG route!!), plus a set of metric wrenches will get you a long way. id say about 500 bucks in harbor freight tier spanners will get you a long way.

          and to give you two words of advice, to save you hours and hours if not days and weeks of pain and misery. 1. always make completely sure your socket sits in the hole, push it in as far as you can. this especially goes for triple square, torx and allen heads. 2. do yourself a favor and put torque wrenches on the tools you need. not only will you ensure you get the right torque, you will also learn to "feel" torque in your hand. dont do what i did when i started out and break bolts/strip out threads.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            oops i meant to write 500 bucks in harbor freight tier tools lmao

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      S63tu4

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Random guy parked his era rival next to my Champion E39. Had to get a pic.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    its wrenchlet cope.

    parts prices are more than toyota, honda, etc, but its the labor that skyrockets the prices.

    if you can wrench, you can enjoy whatever car you want.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    [PLEBSPOTTERS] BigC

    I have no problems maintaining my e39, I wouldn't want any BMW newer than that though, too plasticy and shit, also they're for blacks and browns now

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I had an old W124 once. It had a biodegradable wiring harness. Genius right? It caught fire once, it would continually die on me, none of the electrics worked. I abandoned it in the woods where it sits to this day. Sometimes I shoot it with a pellet gun.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There was a recall for all models to get that fixed, so I guess yours slipped through the net.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I love the way it looked and drove, the build quality, weightiness of the doors etc. Proper comfy. I might get another some day with the harness sorted, or an early car where they didn't have that issue

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I think all models had it. Just get another but make sure it had the recall, there's a guide online that helps since the new version has different coloring so that techs could easily tell if it was done.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It’s true for Porsches made from 1997 to 2008. The engines always junk themselves, only solution being a new engine, and so many otherwise noice cars have been mechanically totaled because of the shit engine.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >far too broad generalization
    >"Is this true?"
    These threads come up weekly, asked by teenagers with no experience, and are debated by the trough of the dunning kruger curve crowd.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ugh, sure, I guess he can park here, pfft

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