Mind Virus Of The eternal Journo Coastie.

>muh fisher price interior
>90s GM Trash
>who cares if it's 300 horsepower with double wishbone suspension.

>just look at the miata.
>an exotic in comparison.
>a timeless classic

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  1. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    That's literally the worst interior out of all 35 years of Miata and it's still better than the Firebird.

  2. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    the only GM with double bones is the corvette. The rest of their cars are all rentals.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >he only GM with double bones is the corvette

      the 4th gen fbody has double wishbone suspension, and is pretty sophisticated. of course, people don't know that because coastal israelites that hate america have concinced everyone that domestic RWD, V8s are dogshit.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Import or domestic, V8, I4, rotary, or any other engine, it doesn't matter. Any car with a solid rear axle IS dogshit.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          no one ever complains about the AE86's rear axle, and no one seems to care that a Camaro on all seasons handles better than a miata on double wishbones.

          he's right, in that people seem far more lenient when japs use these components.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >Double wishbone suspension
            >Does not mention the Decarbons that came blown from the factory, T-Tops that leak like a convertible, tiny brakes and hubs that can't handle sticky tires, and the chassis from 1982 that flexes so bad you can't shut the door if you jack the car up on one side
            >fisher price interior is literally the only car I owned that had up/down play in the steering column and seat back (the Miata I had prior did neither)

            F-Bodys suck and you have to have some grade A cope to deal or not know any better (like your frame of reference is another clapped out 30 year old shitbox)

            A AE86 is a early 1980s Toyota clone of a 70s Escort RS1600 down to the 4AGE being identical to the Cosworth BDA, one of the most award winning race cars in history. It also weighs 1000lbs less than a Camaro.

            >he complains about plastic materials and buttons.
            >obviously more important than the drivetrain for a sportscar

            Well yeah that was the problem with the F Body. The car around the motor was a complete afterthought.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            yeah the thing that usdm cum guzzlers fail to realize is beyond their 80s motorweek videos and domestic magazine brochures, america was knee deep in the malaise era till the mid 80s, and still weren't making very worthwhile cars till the 2000s retro revival. Like sure you can argue you'd rather have a small block than a 4 cylinder, but at the same time, when you're actually sitting in one and you hear you car squeak, your engine gets vacuum leaks, your electronics start flickering, and your headliner starts sagging, you begin to think ''wow you know what, I think mazda at least tried to make a car people would drive. Gm just took their most popular drivetrain and stuck it in the next generation of ''yeah we made a 2 door that was rwd''. Its the same problem viper shills have. Like sure you can look at track results and output numbers and go ''wow the viper was awesome'' but then you sit in one, and you're like ''damn sure wish the steering wheel and seat were centered'' and ''wow I don't even have a real window''. I think what epitomizes the whole comparison is the fiero vs the mr2. The fiero at the time was actually a great example of american performance and the mr2 was a perfect example of japanese practicality. Now sure, weebs have literally ruined the basis for their whole existence, but that doesn't mean japanese stuff didn't deserve the praise it got.
            https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a29440/fiero-formula-vs-mr2-supercharger/

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            https://i.imgur.com/LPMn48B.jpeg

            >muh fisher price interior
            >90s GM Trash
            >who cares if it's 300 horsepower with double wishbone suspension.

            >just look at the miata.
            >an exotic in comparison.
            >a timeless classic

            >when you're actually sitting in one and you hear you car squeak
            Just a cavalier with a V8.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >and still weren't making very worthwhile cars till the 2000s retro revival.
            the Viper itself was so noteworthy it was the face of gran turismo even over the skyline you utter moron. let alone the C4 ZR1, Callaways, and Cobra Rs.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >fiero vs the mr2
            >MR2

            another shitbox weebs get hard for. fieros were always good cars. the MR2 was way more expensive. no one factors that in. it was like 50% more expensive.

            https://i.imgur.com/gCWtbKh.jpeg

            >actually accomplished things (it was discontinued in 2002 and again in 2024)
            >it looks better on a stats sheet (all it could do is stats)

            [...]
            it's stupid because all you have to do is literally sit in the car. any of my 90s hondas had more interior room while being physically smaller, better shifters/steering/brakes (ffs the 300hp fbodys literally have the same size brakes as a 200hp prelude), gave you more confidence to throw it into a corner cause no LRA, had WAY nicer interiors (no rattles/squeaks, could drive it for hours and get out without feeling tired, easy entry/exit), they rode nice, and you could see the corners of the car making them easier to drive. great the Camaro was faster in a straight line the problem is that 90% of the time I'm going the speed limit around town. pic rel was a lot nicer place to be in than any fbody

            American car companies didn't gave a damn about design or ergonomics until post 2008 bankruptcy and the only thing prior to that that was semi-decent was the Mk1 Focus (a Euro car) and C5+ Corvette

            >gave you more confidence to throw it into a corner
            >prelude
            >superior to a fbody

            stfu and find a rope.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            No one factors it in because if gm put that $5k into the fiero, it still wouldn't be as good as the mr2. The point is american manufacturers never would make a car that would be equal to other competitors on all fronts. Gm knew in their heart they were making a shitty commuter and that they couldn't bring themself to make a good mid engine sports car. It wouldn't fit their business model. Other companies like toyota knew they already had a market established for small commuters and sports cars, so they capitalized on it and made a better car. Thats the whole point. It always comes down to "well x car is cheaper, so it could have been better if they built it equal" but it never was and never will. At the end of the day, a lamborghini is faster than a mustang, and it doesn't matter if it costs 10x as much even if its twice as fast. If ford never makes a car to compete with lamborghini, you can't argue about a mustang being a better sports car because its cheaper. Also I think you're alone in saying fieros were always good cars. Nobody liked them as a car and its clear gm put very little effort into them. They were like the 80s american equivalent of the smart roadster

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah see you're too stupid to understand my point. It doesn't have to be a Prelude, it could be a Integra GSR. All those cars were better at driving around town and felt like the manufacturer gave a shit about giving you a well put together and thought about all around product...not GM putting a Corvette engine in a 1982 Camaro with plastic body panels and keeping the tiny brakes, shit interior that hurts your back on long drives with flat beach chairs for seats, rattles/leaks, same size interior while being physically huge outside, shit suspension that only became "ok" once you paid a extra $5000 for a WS6/1LE/SLP SS package (Bilsteins/Sways), school bus sized steering wheel, abs that locks the rear axle when you brake hard, lack of suspension travel so it feels like the car broke in half when you hit a pothole and scraping over speed bumps, etc so the car feels like shit if you're not going fast.

            That's literally why cars like 90s Hondas were adored and shit like Tauruses and luminas were hated

            [...]
            Exactly my point. The MR2 was built with attention to detail and quality. The Fiero was not. You got what you paid for. The American car companies didn't give a shit until they had to compete in Europe. The only cars they made that were good were halo cars like the Corvette with a unlimited budget of a billion dollar car company or cars meant for the not-American Market (S550 Mustang, Holdens, Buick Opels, and Focus/Fiesta)

            you rice homosexuals are insufferable. do you understand what a 50% price difference means? That's like comparing a fricking GTI to a civic type R.

            >huh dur, the CTR is a legend and the GTI is a shit box.
            >gee, I wonder why

            Yeah see you're too stupid to understand my point. It doesn't have to be a Prelude, it could be a Integra GSR. All those cars were better at driving around town and felt like the manufacturer gave a shit about giving you a well put together and thought about all around product...not GM putting a Corvette engine in a 1982 Camaro with plastic body panels and keeping the tiny brakes, shit interior that hurts your back on long drives with flat beach chairs for seats, rattles/leaks, same size interior while being physically huge outside, shit suspension that only became "ok" once you paid a extra $5000 for a WS6/1LE/SLP SS package (Bilsteins/Sways), school bus sized steering wheel, abs that locks the rear axle when you brake hard, lack of suspension travel so it feels like the car broke in half when you hit a pothole and scraping over speed bumps, etc so the car feels like shit if you're not going fast.

            That's literally why cars like 90s Hondas were adored and shit like Tauruses and luminas were hated

            [...]
            Exactly my point. The MR2 was built with attention to detail and quality. The Fiero was not. You got what you paid for. The American car companies didn't give a shit until they had to compete in Europe. The only cars they made that were good were halo cars like the Corvette with a unlimited budget of a billion dollar car company or cars meant for the not-American Market (S550 Mustang, Holdens, Buick Opels, and Focus/Fiesta)

            >That's literally why cars like 90s Hondas were adored and shit like

            you already had us convinced of what a homosexual you are.

            https://i.imgur.com/AUL6ngD.jpeg

            NA Miata weight 2,160 lb
            Firebird weight 3,440 lb
            Yep truly a mystery why the Miata is more desired

            I've owned a NA miata, Fiesta St, old 90s Hondas- manual accords, I own a LT1 Trans am, and that car is so much better than them it's not even funny. Even a stock TA has more grip than those cars, and the power train is 100% incomparable. If you weeb homosexuals had any balls you would buy a 4cyl motorcycle.

            >Muh lightweight
            >muh soul
            >blah blah blah blah

            here's the thing. this is why i'm pissed- almost none of you homosexuals are speaking from experience. you are just parroting the most npc journo homosexual talking points.
            nitpick domestics for every fricking thing, and excuse everything on nip shit boxes. it's like clockwork. 90s hondas rusted to shit when they were fricking new in the 90s.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah see you're too stupid to understand my point. It doesn't have to be a Prelude, it could be a Integra GSR. All those cars were better at driving around town and felt like the manufacturer gave a shit about giving you a well put together and thought about all around product...not GM putting a Corvette engine in a 1982 Camaro with plastic body panels and keeping the tiny brakes, shit interior that hurts your back on long drives with flat beach chairs for seats, rattles/leaks, same size interior while being physically huge outside, shit suspension that only became "ok" once you paid a extra $5000 for a WS6/1LE/SLP SS package (Bilsteins/Sways), school bus sized steering wheel, abs that locks the rear axle when you brake hard, lack of suspension travel so it feels like the car broke in half when you hit a pothole and scraping over speed bumps, etc so the car feels like shit if you're not going fast.

            That's literally why cars like 90s Hondas were adored and shit like Tauruses and luminas were hated

            No one factors it in because if gm put that $5k into the fiero, it still wouldn't be as good as the mr2. The point is american manufacturers never would make a car that would be equal to other competitors on all fronts. Gm knew in their heart they were making a shitty commuter and that they couldn't bring themself to make a good mid engine sports car. It wouldn't fit their business model. Other companies like toyota knew they already had a market established for small commuters and sports cars, so they capitalized on it and made a better car. Thats the whole point. It always comes down to "well x car is cheaper, so it could have been better if they built it equal" but it never was and never will. At the end of the day, a lamborghini is faster than a mustang, and it doesn't matter if it costs 10x as much even if its twice as fast. If ford never makes a car to compete with lamborghini, you can't argue about a mustang being a better sports car because its cheaper. Also I think you're alone in saying fieros were always good cars. Nobody liked them as a car and its clear gm put very little effort into them. They were like the 80s american equivalent of the smart roadster

            Exactly my point. The MR2 was built with attention to detail and quality. The Fiero was not. You got what you paid for. The American car companies didn't give a shit until they had to compete in Europe. The only cars they made that were good were halo cars like the Corvette with a unlimited budget of a billion dollar car company or cars meant for the not-American Market (S550 Mustang, Holdens, Buick Opels, and Focus/Fiesta)

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >its trying to be a car that actually accomplished things, so its okay if it has shit suspension
            >it also looks better on a stat sheet (and is still slower)

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >actually accomplished things (it was discontinued in 2002 and again in 2024)
            >it looks better on a stats sheet (all it could do is stats)

            yeah the thing that usdm cum guzzlers fail to realize is beyond their 80s motorweek videos and domestic magazine brochures, america was knee deep in the malaise era till the mid 80s, and still weren't making very worthwhile cars till the 2000s retro revival. Like sure you can argue you'd rather have a small block than a 4 cylinder, but at the same time, when you're actually sitting in one and you hear you car squeak, your engine gets vacuum leaks, your electronics start flickering, and your headliner starts sagging, you begin to think ''wow you know what, I think mazda at least tried to make a car people would drive. Gm just took their most popular drivetrain and stuck it in the next generation of ''yeah we made a 2 door that was rwd''. Its the same problem viper shills have. Like sure you can look at track results and output numbers and go ''wow the viper was awesome'' but then you sit in one, and you're like ''damn sure wish the steering wheel and seat were centered'' and ''wow I don't even have a real window''. I think what epitomizes the whole comparison is the fiero vs the mr2. The fiero at the time was actually a great example of american performance and the mr2 was a perfect example of japanese practicality. Now sure, weebs have literally ruined the basis for their whole existence, but that doesn't mean japanese stuff didn't deserve the praise it got.
            https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a29440/fiero-formula-vs-mr2-supercharger/

            it's stupid because all you have to do is literally sit in the car. any of my 90s hondas had more interior room while being physically smaller, better shifters/steering/brakes (ffs the 300hp fbodys literally have the same size brakes as a 200hp prelude), gave you more confidence to throw it into a corner cause no LRA, had WAY nicer interiors (no rattles/squeaks, could drive it for hours and get out without feeling tired, easy entry/exit), they rode nice, and you could see the corners of the car making them easier to drive. great the Camaro was faster in a straight line the problem is that 90% of the time I'm going the speed limit around town. pic rel was a lot nicer place to be in than any fbody

            American car companies didn't gave a damn about design or ergonomics until post 2008 bankruptcy and the only thing prior to that that was semi-decent was the Mk1 Focus (a Euro car) and C5+ Corvette

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            boy you are a dumbass Black person and don't even know which car i'm talking about in my greentext, do you.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            I don't give a frick dumb Black person I owned 20 cars and my fbody was the one I miss the least and it was a spec you would've creamed your pants over (2001 z28 1sc m6)

            literally go aspire to better cars get your money up b***h you should be lurking biz and putting your money into fart bucks so you're not wasting everybody's time with these shitboxes

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            at least you don't care about being moronic or thinking i'm the OP.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            the chassis isnt that flexible, you've never been near an fbody, weeaboo

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            This is literally my fbody here

            [...]

            I owned it 5 years ago and don't miss it. The E36 M3 it replaced I miss more + the WRX wagon that came after

            Why do you believe a car that originally came out in 1993 and was based off the original from 1982 with big gaping holes for the long doors and hatch somehow has *good* structural rigidity.

            Mine was a hardtop and it had cowl shake like a convertible going over bumps. The doors didn't like to shut when you jacked it up. It rattled and squeaked going over frost heaves.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            I own a rusty piece of shit 89 camaro and the doors close just fine when it's on jacks or a hoist or whatever, you're full of shit or your car is completely fricked

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >cowl shake
            >frost heaves

            what in the world, btw

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Frost heaves are the ripples in pavement

            Cow shake is when you can see the hood shake side to side

            I own a rusty piece of shit 89 camaro and the doors close just fine when it's on jacks or a hoist or whatever, you're full of shit or your car is completely fricked

            Don't tell me you don't notice the doors needing to get slammed shut. This is one of the few cars too that has doors so heavy that the pins can wear out on the hinges and cause it to sag

            I forgot I fricking HATED the shifter on it. Did a MGW shifter and it still had me elbowing whoever was in the backseat or punching the radio on shifts. Pointlessly long shift throws. Clutch felt nice though, super light.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            no, my doors dont sag or anything, lol. maybe the difference here is between the third and fourth gen because I also dont have any issues shifting my t5. admittedly I've never even driven a fourth gen so maybe they really are that shitty

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >admittedly I've never even driven a fourth gen so maybe they really are that shitty

            nah, the dude you are talking to is some type of wrenchlet homosexual. that's all.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            so you went from "you clearly don't have experience with them" to "y-y-youre a wrenchlet!"

            honestly bro you're fricking moronic just like somebody who would tell me a 4th gen is good for anything other than the engine

            One is a bloated turd of shit that weighs almost 4000 lbs, with a massive V8 that puts down 230hp to the wheels at best, a flimsy chassis, boaty suspension, and interior slapped together with some of the ugliest plastics seen on earth.

            The other one is an overpriced weebmobile but that can still outhandle 99% of modern cars and made to pretty high standards.

            na miatas with a good driver and maybe 120whp still raw time faster cars in parking lots across america while you won't catch a 4th gen outside a drag strip or some homosexual roll racing thing

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            not that guy, learn to read

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            >A AE86 is a early 1980s Toyota clone of a 70s Escort RS1600 down to the 4AGE being identical to the Cosworth BDA
            >Ford Escort
            >Ford Escort, Japan

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous
          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            saved.

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            Anyone who hates the escort hates the ae86.
            Your meme is moronic.

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            >Contrary to a false assumption that the 4A-G is a copy of the Cosworth BDA, (coincidental "A" series designation on both engines). There are little, if any, interchangeable parts between the two engines, outside of maybe some nuts and bolts. The Cosworth 4-valve design started life using the Ford Cortina engine block, with its distributor located on the side of the block and progressed to belt driven Escort engines. The basic block was, like the current formula Atlantic engine, based on a production block. Most of the Ford blocks that Cosworth used could be taken up to 2 liters. The 4A-G is limited to around 1.6 liters maximum, because of the deck height and bore spacing. The included valve angles for the BDA is 40, along with what has become a Ken Duckworth design feature, and that is the use of a separate camshaft tray. To the contrary, the 4A-G has a one-piece head with the camshaft saddles cast right in. The included valve for the 4A-G is 50, more similar to the earlier Alfas or other Italian designs of the 70s.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >Any car with a solid rear axle IS dogshit.

          first off. these are muscle cars. solid axels put power down better and are stronger. second off, solid axels can be tuned to run fine. go ask some of the sn95 or fbody tuners about this. IRS are both available and similar gains can be had without an IRS.

          no one ever complains about the AE86's rear axle, and no one seems to care that a Camaro on all seasons handles better than a miata on double wishbones.

          he's right, in that people seem far more lenient when japs use these components.

          >no one ever complains about the AE86's rear axle

          many such cases. There is a very obvious double standard for domestic vehicles. If the mustang had a toyota badge, the onions homosexuals would be paying over sticker.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >axels
            You're a product of the failure of the American public education system. You don't get to have an opinion.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >axels
            kek, damn you sound stupid as frick

            like flies in shit. you have to go back.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Is it really a typo when you do it multiple times, or is it just you being a moron?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >axels
            kek, damn you sound stupid as frick

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Solid rear axle cars are goat and only idiot nocars say otherwise.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Cope

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Some of the best cars made are solid rear. It's only a detriment to handling for big heavy cars, and even then it's not that much of an issue if they can be converted to watts link and properly set up.
            Nocars such as yourself associate solid rears with trucks or muscle barges on 165 section 30yo rubber with drum brakes all around, you've never driven a good car.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            The only time solid rear is good on a car is drag racing, cope

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            R100, RX2, RX3, RX4, SA22C RX7
            Mk1 Mk2 Escort
            Mk1 Mk2 Mk3 Capri
            Holden Torana
            KE Corolla
            AE86 Corolla

            Just to name a few. All fantastic handling cars with modern rubber and fresh shock/springs.
            Most had significant success in racing, circuit and rally.
            Some still are quite successful in open class racing against more modern cars.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Literal fricking shitboxes that only won against other shitboxes of time

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        anon
        all pre-timeskip camaros/transams have double wishbone front and live axle rear
        i'll tell you more, 4th gen is a direct descendant of the 1st gen mechanically
        it was a 25 year old car when it was new

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          turd gens are unfortunately a modified mcstrut up front

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            anon
            all pre-timeskip camaros/transams have double wishbone front and live axle rear
            i'll tell you more, 4th gen is a direct descendant of the 1st gen mechanically
            it was a 25 year old car when it was new

            turd and 4th gens do have a powerplant frame/torque arm between the transmission and rear diff like a Miata or FD RX7, which is nice

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >he only GM with double bones is the corvette

      the 4th gen fbody has double wishbone suspension, and is pretty sophisticated. of course, people don't know that because coastal israelites that hate america have concinced everyone that domestic RWD, V8s are dogshit.

      Are you shilling a car this hard that you don't even own? Go look under a firebird, it has a wagon axle.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Go look under the front moronsan.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      kappa and omega, and every truck/van platform have front double bones/short and long arm suspension. bev3 also has a 5 link front suspension

  3. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >LOOK THEY'RE BOTH RED!!!!
    >THEY'RE LITERALLY THE SAAAAAAAAAAAAME

  4. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    It's mostly the buttons. 90s early 00s American cars had just the worst buttons. They were ugly, felt awful, got both stuck and sticky. Just sad buttons.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >he complains about plastic materials and buttons.
      >obviously more important than the drivetrain for a sportscar

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Hey man take your grievances to the OP. I'm not the one making threads about car interiors.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Are you implying that the drivetrain and chassis are better on an F Body than on a Miata? Lmao

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          they have to be because the car is bigger and therefore better just like women

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          he didnt mention the chassis, but one would hope the miata has a better one for handling, since that is the only thing it was purpose built to do

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          The drivetrain on the F body is definitely more sturdy and reliable, not that the Miata is unreliable in any way, but a GM small block is just peak reliability and will outlast literally anything in its era that’s not a diesel block making absurdly low HP/L. Nothing bad about a T56 and GM 10 bolt rear end either. The F body definitely has the better drivetrain, double so when it got the LS1. But like I said the Miata is not bad in any sense. Just gutless and will overwork itself keeping highway speeds while a small block will do 80mph at nearly idle rpm. It’s no secrete that materials and elements ware out over time and wear will be accelerated by higher stress. Literal physics.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            GM 10 Bolt likes to shit the bed as soon as you put any horsepower or abuse through it. My Z28 had a fresh one 30k miles prior to my ownership cause the PO AutoXed the car often.

            LS1 is a nice engine but this was from a time period when GM powertrains weren't complete dogshit. And naw Spec Miatas will run all day long bouncing off the redline...Mazda B6/BP is absolutely gutless and impossible to get horsepower out of without a turbo. If you abuse a LS like a Spec Miata it will eventually bend a pushrod or spin a rod bearing/oil pump kills itself. Miatas of that era are non-interference timing belt motors.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >If you abuse a LS like a Spec Miata it will eventually bend a pushrod or spin a rod bearing/oil pump kills itself.

            Literally never happens.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            it does lmfao. Look at any junkyward drift build. Everyone ends up throwing an accusump and baffled pan on first thing. The LS oils from the head down and takes more quarts, and just doesn't take well to having its oil sloshed around. Later engines did a better job, but gen 3 LS's definitely had lackluster oiling for a car to pull a fair amount of g's in corners

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >source:none

            Keep going I’m interested

  5. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    It really is summer again...
    Those F-body interiors are garbage in comparison. Everything feels really loose and like it's about to crack. Better than most from the era though.

  6. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Car journalists have long ago stopped giving a shit about cars.
    If you sit your creaky 65 year old ass into the seat and it's comfy and you can turn the a/c and fm radio on within 15 seconds without knowing where they are in advance then it's a contender for Best in Class category by default. The person in charge of driving it hard for the magazine's 0-60 times and other measured performance characteristics is not writing the article, at most giving a couple pull quotes for the author ("This thing really feels at home on the twisties but the butt wiggles a little at the limit of grip at 100mph on a big turn!").
    You stop noticing how nice your car interior and materials are within a month of ownership (good or bad) but it makes a big difference on a test drive.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Car journalists have long ago stopped giving a shit about cars.

      Car journalists aren't car journalists anymore. Any that are younger than Gen X are most likely commie english or art majors who never owned or driven a car until they happened to fall into a writing job with a car magazine/website and actually were forced to acknowledge the existence of automobiles.

      Their dream of activism to change the world has failed so they settle into any niche they can find.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        follow better journalists, here's one I like to keep up with. he writes freelance for places like cnet and arstechica

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          https://i.imgur.com/3Tj9jSN.png

          >Car journalists have long ago stopped giving a shit about cars.

          Car journalists aren't car journalists anymore. Any that are younger than Gen X are most likely commie english or art majors who never owned or driven a car until they happened to fall into a writing job with a car magazine/website and actually were forced to acknowledge the existence of automobiles.

          Their dream of activism to change the world has failed so they settle into any niche they can find.

          I like these two too, I find it more interesting when journos blog about their projects or cars they personally own. Link below has a Cobalt SS Turbo as a daily while pic rel has a rusty Evo 8. If you follow shitty sites like Jalopnik then you shouldn't complain about getting people not even interested in what they write about. Even the mainstream journos have a lot of diehard car guys like the chief editor for Evo Mag Harry Metcalf owning a bunch of shitboxes and a Clio RS he's owned since new. Or Csaba Csere owning a few old Porsches.

          https://www.thedrive.com/author/peter-holderith

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        LOL Lieberman doesn't mention this stuff now, he's just "a car guy ever since he was born"

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >LOL Lieberman doesn't mention this stuff now, he's just "a car guy ever since he was born"

          yeah, he was probably smart enough to realize what a walking trope he was. like we don't have enough snide, fat, pansy, israelites, telling us how to think; that hate America and white people. I hope he gets drafted into the IDF.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/vBrEkOE.png

        LOL Lieberman doesn't mention this stuff now, he's just "a car guy ever since he was born"

        Even this Car and Driver writer girl from browsing her Instagram has more car guy cred than 90% of DA. She's owned a bunch of old 60s-70s American shitboxes including a Polara (pic rel), 2nd Gen T/A, Nova, and '71 Challenger. Look her Instagram up, it's all public.

        And I remember the name Lieberman from early 2000s Sport Compact Car Mag. I have a feeling he probably has better credentials than most of the people ITT.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Well, he's actually a lolcow according to Jack Baruth, who's absolutely based and redpilled as far as auto journos go. He pissed off everyone to the point that now he just writes on Substack. I was thinking of Craig Lieberman.

          https://www.avoidablecontact.com/p/about-this-jonny-lieberman-stupidity

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >And I remember the name Lieberman from early 2000s Sport Compact Car Mag. I have a feeling he probably has better credentials than most of the people ITT.
          You're probably talking about Craig Lieberman, they guy was the technical Advisor in the first "Fast & Furious" movie.

  7. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah because it comes with a touch screen moron, which other car from the 90s has that?

  8. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    You couldn't even pick the right basedjaks, your post is vantablack Black personhell coal

  9. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I recently had a chance to drive an LS1 F-body. The engine was great and it was fun when accelerating, but everything else was kinda shit. It felt like driving a lowered truck. I wish I could have a car with that engine, but one that feels like a car to drive. Doesn't have to be a Miata, but since I have an E46 and I really like how it feels to drive, that's about my standard.
    Pic related, the car I drove, it belongs to my friend.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      LS swapped Rx7 is what you want.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Nah, I love RX-7s, but I would want one with a rotary, that's what makes it an RX-7 and gives it its character.
        If anything, LS-swapped E46 or other similar Bimmer would be what I want. Or a 5th/6th gen Camaro, since I heard Zeta and Alpha platforms were inspired by old BMWs.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >i would want one with a shitty unreliable engine
          what is the point of even buying a japanese car that isn't reliable.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Because it's fun

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            So is the LS, in addition to not being unreliable.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Then I can get an LS in another car

        • 1 week ago
          Greased Geese

          most of the extra appeal with swapping rotary cars was and still is that it's not uncommon to find one that's been mothballed from neglect once the rotary has took a shit.
          you can find dead rx8s that're clean with good interiors and decent paint/body for sub 1200 bucks.
          I don't see why there's not people just building 3 or 4 rotarys at a time and then flipping those cars.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      C5 Vette

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        not him but it's crazy what people are asking for these still.
        Just finding a reasonably CLEAN one with a 6-speed is a struggle.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          They were getting close to the 11-12 grand mark occasionally in 2019. Now we're back to "I know what I got" prices

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            It's unironically cheaper and easier to buy a decent C6 if you're not tracking the car, C5 Z06 if you are.

            heavier with leaf springs compared to an Rx7.

            Cheaper and don't have to swap it so you save on downtime and working out issues

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah the price difference is becoming negligible, it's kinda moronic. I want them pop up headlights, though.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        heavier with leaf springs compared to an Rx7.

  10. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >ls rx7 shill is back
    https://archive.4plebs.org/o/search/image/PWZLBOnE2Xr3m0Fb9wLiIg/

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >"american cars are shit to drive"
      >suggest using american engines in japanese cars instead
      i mean, weebs brought this on themselves.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        You can just buy an american car that's good to drive

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          why would i do that if its considered 2nd rate at best to a japanese car. (too wide for the road, still has cheap interior, still doesn't ride as nice).

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Considered by who?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            weebs.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Are you a weeb?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Kinda, that's why i defend modern acura. and have my own toy AE86

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            You base your opinions based on your le weeb boogeymen? Pathetic

  11. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I like the 90s plastic crap interiors. Maybe it's Stockholm syndrome though

    • 1 week ago
      Greased Geese

      I would rather sit in the shittiest old base civic than in a lexus with the buttfrick ugly beige with the buttfrick ugly glossy wood.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      My first car was a 1,200$ Pontiac Grand Prix. Terrible interior littered with GM plastic. Seats weren’t too bad. Drove that unkillable GM V8-2cylinder V6 up hills with low transmission fluid, into another state when I was 16, all without knowing what maintenance is.

      I have a 6 speed 4th gen Camaro now, and I must admit I get nostalgic being in it, since GM was a parts bin special in the 90s a lot of the Camaro feels and looks exactly like my first car.

  12. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    mongoloids will run through a wall to shame me into not liking what i like

  13. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I like my Thunderbird better overall. Better suspension, better build quality, less common, brakes are decent on the sport trim. A bit down on power, but I'll either swap in a 4 valve or add a super charger. Lotta easy mods to make the chasis super rigid if I cared about that thing.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      I can’t think of anything bad to say about those thunderbirds other than no manual. But that’s not what they’re built for. It’s a good cruiser with inoffensive styling that is cozy. I wouldn’t mind one. But you can’t compare it to a F body in any way really. Even the mustang doesn’t compare because of how dog shit it is performance wise. The ford interiors definitely held up better though

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        I believe my car has a more solid rear suspension than the 90s-2000s mustangs, but I haven't been in one in years. F body might a have a little more torque, or at least feel like it compared to the later 4.6ls.

    • 1 week ago
      Greased Geese

      i like them too but
      ive seen a couple skipped spotwelds on some of the older 80s models so im not going to say theyre great build quality.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        The 80s ones are fox body dogshit. 90s were designed as almost a precursor to sn95 Mustangs.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      those are quite sexy

  14. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    NA Miata weight 2,160 lb
    Firebird weight 3,440 lb
    Yep truly a mystery why the Miata is more desired

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      tsmt

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      NA Miata
      Power to weight - 19lbs per hp
      0-60mph - 9.2s
      1/4 mile - 16.8s @ 83mph
      skidpad - .82g
      70-0mph - 195ft
      Firebird power to weight - 12lbs per hp
      0-60mph - 5.5s
      1/4 mile - 14.2s @ 99mph
      skidpad - .89g
      70-0mph - 172ft
      Remind me, why would anyone want the Miata?

      https://i.imgur.com/g02QLga.jpeg

      actually it's true otherwise we'd see a spec fbody series (oh wait we don't)

      reminder miatas have 10x the motorsport heritage of any camaro

      https://i.imgur.com/NfWmSSJ.jpeg

      >muh touring car championships!

      1969 was 100 years ago old man if you are slower than a 140whp Spec Miata in 2024 you need to pick another hobby

      >hurr muh spec series
      So by your moron logic a Yaris has celebrated motorsport heritage? Or is it a race solely for otherwise noncompetitive pieces of shit?

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        >a Yaris has celebrated motorsport heritage?
        Well the Yaris has had global motorsports success, so it's undeniably achieved more than the entire US auto industry has in the past 20 years kek

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          Extremely strange cope or just a very narrow scope of reality.

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            Designed by Englishmen and built in Canada

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            Says Ford right on it moron.

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            I guess pic related is an American car then.

  15. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    yeah people complaining about plastic in cars are always insanely hypocritical, like comparing f bodies to bmws and volkswagens and things like that (99% plastic even in the engine bay)

  16. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    One is a bloated turd of shit that weighs almost 4000 lbs, with a massive V8 that puts down 230hp to the wheels at best, a flimsy chassis, boaty suspension, and interior slapped together with some of the ugliest plastics seen on earth.

    The other one is an overpriced weebmobile but that can still outhandle 99% of modern cars and made to pretty high standards.

  17. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >”a solid rear is great, that’s why Formula 1 cars use it bro“
    Whole lotta boat owner cope in here

  18. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >2024
    >/o is SHOOK finding out that muscle cars are parts bin cheap shit boxes that are designed with low quality interiors so the buyer gets the absolute most horsepower per dollar

    You morons will argue over anything.

    The F body is based though. Doesn’t matter what car you drive, there’s always a F body out there faster than what you drive that will fricking destroy and embarrass it in the 1/4 mile. Turning is for liberal sissies

  19. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >top
    >soulless american shitbox that doesn't offer anything special
    >down
    >basically the last small and simple roadster you can buy
    I hate American and their people. BIG NUMBERS NUMBERS HOW MUCH DOES IT COST HOW MUCH CAN IT TOW HOW MUCH DOES IT WEIGH
    I NEED BIG CAR BECAUSE MY wiener IS SMALL
    I NEED TRUCK TRUCK TRUCK IS BETTER BECAUSE IT JUST IS
    YOU AREN'T A MAN YOU AREN'T HUMAN YOU AREN'T THAT
    YOU CAN'T JUST HAVE A GREAT TIME

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      ok but consider the opposite, consider that some dudes just like v8 cars and dont care that the heater vents dont look so great, or that it's not a roadster. I'm just saying

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        still doesn't make it special and you can buy a lot of cars that are better than this shitbox that also have v8s
        it's common and uninteresting just like you

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          ohhh yeah I'm so boring dude, not like you, you're really intriguing with how you like 'cute' and 'quirky' rides

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >

  20. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    ITT: weeb Black personmutts coping and seething

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      I literally owned one

      >source:none

      Keep going I’m interested

      Ok, not like you're gonna read it. Stock LS1s bend pushrods at 7000rpms or higher btw. You can misshift a Miata competitively and it won't...give a frick because it's non interference. Tons of Spec Miatas accidentally hit 2000rpms + above redline without consequences every weekend.

      https://www.enginebuildermag.com/2021/01/oil-clearances-and-options-for-ls-engines/

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        I’ve shifted from 4th to 1st missing 3rd gear and my Camaro just did a sick burnout, fake news homosexual lmfao you can’t hurt a GM small block like your lib mobile gets hurt when you look at it funny

  21. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >someone is genuinely delusional enough to argue about GM small blocks being fragile

    lol, lmao even.

    No cars need to be banned.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >No cars need to be banned.
      True, every car should be allowed.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      gotta be fricking moronic to think a LS is unkillable these engines have had oiling issues for the longest time always oil pump or pan/pickup even on the gen 3 4.8/5.3s never mind the LSs that actually get revved out

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        You’re going CRAZY bro keep owning the V8 chuds! Japanese steel is undefeated!!! Bro that’s why the superior katana is Japanese, NO other metal compares to the one from my anime!

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          reminder if I was wrong GM wouldn't have spent the money on a factory dry sump for the c6 gs/z06/zr1

          https://www.enginelabs.com/engine-tech/engine/ls-engine-oil-control-an-in-depth-look-at-best-practices/

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Wow it’s all starting to make sense now why everyone picks the VENERABLE, LEGENDARY, MIATA engine for their high horsepower and reliable daily driver builds over the LS. Literally no one wants that piece of shit that’s why it’s so undesirable to put in other vehicles! It’s trash! No one does LS swaps because it’s so prone to failure! Just like everything non Japanese! Stupid BAKAS!

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            They did that because they had to lower the motor to fit the blower under the Corvettes low hood you autistic moron. The CTS-V version doesn't have dry sump.

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          >Bro that’s why the superior katana is Japanese

          >underrated.

  22. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Wow it’s all starting to make sense now why everyone picks the VENERABLE, LEGENDARY, MIATA engine for their high horsepower and reliable daily driver builds over the LS. Literally no one wants that piece of shit that’s why it’s so undesirable to put in other vehicles! It’s trash! No one does LS swaps because it’s so prone to failure! Just like everything non Japanese! Stupid BAKAS!

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      actually it's true otherwise we'd see a spec fbody series (oh wait we don't)

      reminder miatas have 10x the motorsport heritage of any camaro

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        what touring car championships did the miata win and get banned from?

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >muh touring car championships!

          1969 was 100 years ago old man if you are slower than a 140whp Spec Miata in 2024 you need to pick another hobby

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Has the Miata ever won a single FIA certified series? the Camaro has.

  23. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Kek, my co-worker owns a miata. the POS broke and has been left abandoned in our job parking lot ever since. i'm going to take a picture of from my car next time i go to work. the funny thing is, he put "FINANCIAL MISTAKE" on the windshield just to be cheeky, and i'm guessing he's actually feeling that way now.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Nope never happened, must have been a LS swapped Miata if it broke down you aren’t fooling anyone, CHUD

  24. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Did you make this thread because you got so assblasted in the WRX one? Lmao?

  25. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I got a 98 firebird with 12k miles on it in 2008. Loved that car.

  26. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I've owned both a 4th gen F-body and Miata

    I prefer the Miata but the F-body aint bad too

  27. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    >miata.
    it's also trash, it just has a poorgay following

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