Solid axles are better than IRS. I'm tired of pretending they're not. benefits:. 1. stronger than IRS. 2.

Solid axles are better than IRS.
I'm tired of pretending they're not.
benefits:

1. stronger than IRS.
2. lighter than IRS.
3. better anti-squat an IRS.
4. Puts power down better than IRS.
5. better anti dive and better braking than IRS.
6. built in rear steer geometry.
7. easier to repair and maintain.
8. geometry changes are easy unlike IRS.
9. Doesn't suffer from wheel hopp like IRS.
10. has less drive line losses.

>Inb4 ride quality
a watts link gets you 99% of the way there ride quality wise.
there isn't a reason to use overcomplicated IRS.

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I agree. 2 out of my three vehicles have IRS and I wish they didn't. The wheel hop pisses me off every time.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    well that limits you to a wrangler or some old shitbox ram or 1 ton ford so dont let your dreams be dreams. they ride like shit tho and rebuilding a axel seal is more of a b***h then pulling a cv axle

    only benefit is offroading or redneck truck pulls and I dont think they're lighter than IFS, thats alot of tube steel. now that the wranglers have a front axel disconnect its made them prone to snapping

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      This is why I'm glad my Wrangler sport doesn't have the front disconnect and if I ever got Rubicon axles I would delete it

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        delete it all you want but you'll have to reinforce it or completely axle swap it

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      "You have to buy something made after 2012!!!!" Even though you cant afford the ae86 weebshit anymore you... hopefully can still afford a panther body

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      op said independent rear

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    solid axles are shit
    your post is just cope from someone who just bought a rubicon or some other crap

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Found the 4Runner owner.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >there isn't a reason to use IRS
    Das right no reason sheeit

  5. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I agree, but I'll take it a step further - all solid axles should be full floating. It's just all around stronger.

  6. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Cons
    >heavy
    >lots of unsprung mass
    >cant adjust camber

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >>cant adjust camber
      What did he mean by this?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        On a solid axle camber is fixed and cant be changed without going full moron
        >cut it
        >weld it back together

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          i guess you havent heard of camber shim kits.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            There's no need to affect a boomer prickishness when sharing knowledge with your fellow anons

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Go camber shim a solid rear axle, you fricking moron.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            why don't you try doing some basic research before you call other people morons and make yourself look even stupider.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >(You)

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            bump

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            https://i.imgur.com/O5rNBm9.jpeg

            On a solid axle camber is fixed and cant be changed without going full moron
            >cut it
            >weld it back together

            WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS SHIT THOUGH

          • 1 week ago
            p™

            stfu Black personhomosexual

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Is that you

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          original dude your replied to here. they've been using heat to align live axles since they were invented. if you'll take a look at jeep gays alignment, you'll see the axle isn't straight. not saying this cause I looked at it, but because none of them are. this can in fact be fixed though and you're big wrenchlet dumb

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            He said you can't change it without going full moron.
            Heat treating your entire axle to get 0.5 degree of camber is full moron.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            It's not at all and has been regularly done for over a century. however it's not the entire axle, that's not how it works at all. wrenchlets should be banned from this board. did you not take notice of the jeep with a not straight axle? they come factory not straight. after I finish installing this diff in this extera I'll do an alignment check on it if you want and show you it's axle is also not straight. again, I don't know this because I've checked, none of them are. engineering has tolerances. Just like your car isn't perfectly aligned, neither is a solid axle.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            We're talking about adding static camber to a live axle, if you don't know what we're talking about don't fricking reply.

            ?si=GCvwuFqioc-DOiQq&t=65

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            can't follow a reply chain I guess. I originally responded to someone that said it is impossible to adjust camber on a lra. I said it is possible. that was my conversation this entire time. keep up.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah that's what we're talking about buddy; "adjust camber" as in ADD CAMBER like you might do with an IRS car, not "adjust camber" as in "my axle might have an absolute poofteenth of camber one side when it's meant to have none so I'm going to heat treat it ONCE EVER to make it straight again".

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Dedion chads eating good. All the static camber you could ever possibly want and no "0.234 degrees of camber gain" bullshit.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            wait is static camber good now?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            I don't know, but I can have 50 degrees of it. Is that enough?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >I don't know
            You seemed pretty certain about it before

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Not me but I'm glad to see 0.234 degrees becoming a meme.

            I can dig it. What car would you put this in?

            Something like the original Chaparral 2H, but heavily teardrop shaped with a wider front track width.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            It's better than trying to chase the perfect amount of camber through camber gain and caster because that stuff will be wrong more often than it's right.
            Just buy a Lamborghini with the active adjusting hubs bro.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            you can adjust camber in this way up to like half a degree without ever noticing issues, even more if you're willing to deal with it frickin up every now and again. and we are not talking, you and I, about an optimum suspension set up, because I'm not moronic enough to get into that debate. it's the same debate as how long is a string. depends. I'm simply pointing out that you are wrong, live axles can be adjusted. that's it. stop moving goalposts and learn from your moronic mistake of speaking in absolutes. you're wrong I'm right.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah they can be "adjusted", you just have to go full moron to do it:

            ?si=GCvwuFqioc-DOiQq&t=65

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            I'm still not giving you're moronic YouTube channel views homie. Just because you don't understand how it works has nothing to do with it being possible and done throughout the entire history of automobiles.
            full moron is you not understanding it.
            I accept the concession.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Solid axle actually has better camber gain than mcdonalds since the camber change exactly equals body roll. You can get an extra degree or two of static camber to account for tire deformation by bending the axle.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >Solid axle actually has better camber gain than mcdonalds
            >You can get an extra degree or TWO of static camber
            biggest moron on the board, and there's plenty here for you to compete with

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >Solid axle doesn't need more than a degree or two of static camber because it gains more dynamic camber through its range of motion.
            Selfies belong in /b/ or /soc/.

    • 1 week ago
      Greased Geese

      >>cant adjust camber
      good.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >t. man who drives around on straight flat roads

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Like God intended.

        • 1 week ago
          Greased Geese

          you do not need irs to go around a turn

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            I'm sure you don't need it but it makes it better.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >>cant adjust camber
      This is a pro you fricking ricer

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        not it's not you ohiomaxxed handlinglet understeersexual

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >mcdonalds good
        lol get toe-n-go'd you stupid ass poorhomosexual.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >can't adjust camber
      You mean it's got factory protection from your shitty gay mods and inevitable destruction due to obscene neglect?
      Frick ricers for ruining good cheap cars

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Rear camber is good brainlet

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          For what homosexual

          get toe-n-go'd wrenchlet

          Get fricked

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            you have never touched a wrench btw

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            I've literally rebuilt my entire car from the neglected POS state it was in when I got it, I'm just not a homosexual ricer who cambers his daily

            Cornering

            Buy a real sports car if you care about cornering

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            A sports car with IRS and rear camber?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Cornering

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        get toe-n-go'd wrenchlet

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      i worked with a lady that bought an abused jeep wrangler. when we put it on the alignment rack we found out all four wheels had camber despite being solid axles. It must've been jumped hard.

  7. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Nah

  8. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    On a drag car? solid axle
    On a any other car? IRS
    On a truck? It's not a real truck if it has IRS

  9. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    FrickBody cope

  10. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >bend whole axle and chews out splines just to run a poofteenth of camber/toe
    Contrary to internet myth, rear camber and toe is a good thing.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Why would I want camber on an axle that's going to stay parallel to the ground anyways?

      Not that I'm moronic like OP, I live in the 21st century, I just don't see why camber is relevant for a solid axle.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Its good for maintaining a contact patch through corners. As weight is shifted, either side will receive more force, and a cambered wheel will have a fully level contact patch while a 0° wheel will have tire deflection and a decreased contact patch

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Because tyre distortion is a thing that exists

        >Solid axle doesn't need more than a degree or two of static camber because it gains more dynamic camber through its range of motion.
        Selfies belong in /b/ or /soc/.

        Tyre distortion is a thing that exists, you won't get 2 degrees of camber out of a live axle, even 1 degree is hard on the splines, mcpherson will gain as much camber as you want it to, you're moronic.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          If you're in an actual race and running tires with both enough grip and a high enough aspect ratio that it matters, you did something wrong.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >If you're in an actual race and running tires with both enough grip and a high enough aspect ratio that it matters

            Yeah mate it was called Group A touring car racing in the 80s and the results are in - camber matters, live axle rear sucks, semi-trailing IRS and Mcpherson strut front does everything it needs to good enough to win races.

  11. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    you morons will argue over anything
    here’s my wrangler alignment from 2 weeks ago
    and yes I do run 35x12.5 mall crawled pavement princess

  12. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    How is it that live rear axles are considered bad, and yet there are a few cars that have live rear axles, but also have famously good handling even by modern standards?
    Pic related is the most memeable example of course, but there are quite a few more.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous
    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >famously good
      Oh yeah what races did it win?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >The AE86 was entered in the European Touring Car Championship from 1984 to 1988 with a 150 hp (112 kW) 4A-GEU engine.[citation needed] In 1986 it beat the BMW M6, BMW 325i (E30), Rover Vitesse, Volvo 240 Turbo, Merkur XR4Ti, Mazda 929, Holden Commodore (VK), Alfa Romeo 75 (turbo V6), and Mercedes 190E 2.3-16 to win the Manufacturers Championship with 267 points, surpassing the 1986 Drivers Championship Schnitzer Motorsport BMW M6.[24]

        >In 1986 and 1987 Chris Hodgetts won the British Touring Car Championship (BTCC), beating the V8 Rover SD1's, Ford Sierra Cosworth's and BMW 3 Series (E30) M3's two years running for an overall points victory driving an AE86 for Toyota (GB) PLC and his own race prep team CHMS.
        Probably the tip of the iceberg but I can't be assed to give you an entire history of the car.
        Of course it remains in common use today in drifting, rallying and circuit racing because it's RWD and handles well.
        The Mk.2 Escort is also a legend in this aspect, even though it sits on leaf springs.
        The last 2WD car to win a WRC driver's championship (Opel Ascona) also had a live rear axle, and was competing against considerably more advanced cars with more power and more sophisticated suspension, as well as the Audi Quattro. Partly it was through simplicity, robustness and a Cosworth engine, but its handling was also famously great.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >class wins
          Oh yeah? What was it racing against?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >In 1986 it beat the BMW M6, BMW 325i (E30), Rover Vitesse, Volvo 240 Turbo, Merkur XR4Ti, Mazda 929, Holden Commodore (VK), Alfa Romeo 75 (turbo V6), and Mercedes 190E 2.3-16
            >beating the V8 Rover SD1's, Ford Sierra Cosworth's and BMW 3 Series (E30) M3's two years running
            Dunno why I'm posting this because evidently you can't read

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >moronic AE86 fanboy thinks the AE86 ACTUALLY BEAT E30s and XR4Tis in races
            It didn't win a single race in 1986 you brainlet
            Ironic that you think I can't read when you couldn't be bothered to read past the misguided "motorsports" section of the AE86 wikipedia page.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >class pos: 1
            >overall pos: 1
            It won the BTCC back-to-back, simple as
            >no race win
            Consistency is key, LRA superiority proven

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >class wins
            So I ask again, what was it racing against? Try your best to actually read the wikipedia page this time so you don't bring me back another moronic answer.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            It won overall

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >moron still can't read

            I'll try to spell it out in a way that your moronic brain can comprehend:
            In the BTCC and ETCC you get points for winning your CLASS, the AE86 won the manufacturers championship because it got the most points from class results, not because it got the most points from race results.

            So what was it racing against in its class?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >In the BTCC and ETCC you get points for winning your CLASS, the AE86 won the manufacturers championship because it got the most points from class results, not because it got the most points from race results.
            Exactly, it won overall.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            What was it racing against moron?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Everyone. Hodgetts looked at the rules and picked the perfect car for winning the BTCC.
            Everything else is cope.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            No anon, you don't RACE against cars in different classes.
            So what was it RACING AGAINST?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            It competed against them and won both driver's and manufacturer's, simple as

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            How come you won't tell me what it was racing against anon?
            Was the competition a bit lacklustre?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            It won overall, it beat every other car in every other class in the championship. It's that simple. If the others had a brain, they shouldn't have been going around DNFing in class A cars. The AE86 is a back-to-back BTCC winner.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >still can't answer the simply questions:
            "what races did it win"
            "what was it racing against"

            So much for a "famously good" race car.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >famously good" race car.
            Yeah that's what it is

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Keyword there is "race"
            What races did it win? And what was it racing against?
            Don't reply with answers not about racing.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            You gain motorsports success by winning championships. Stop talking about irrelevant nonsense.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Exactly.
            >Escort
            Championship winner, solid rear axle
            >131
            Championship winner, solid rear axle
            >AE86
            Championship winner, solid rear axle

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Oh yeah? What were they racing against?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >Stop talking about irrelevant nonsense.
            Oh yeah? How does "motorsports success" translate into "famously good handling"?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Obviously handling always plays a major role. Same goes for the major rally success that live rear axle cars enjoyed. How do you defeat a purpose-built, highly optimised, mid-engined, Ferrari-powered behemoth? Using the superior characteristics of a small family car with a live rear axle.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >Obviously handling always plays a major role
            That would depend entirely on what you're racing against.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Exactly: Purpose-built, mid-engine, Ferrari-powered monsters.
            Outclassed by FR live rear axle cars

            What was it racing against?

            All cars from all classes. It won the championship overall twice. Why are you going in circles?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >reading comprehension
            No anon I didn't ask what it was COMPETING against for championship points, I asked what it was racing against.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            All classes competed for the same championship points and the AE86 won

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >competed

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            you don't even know what cars are so why the frick should anyone tell you

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            he's trying to point out, by being an enormous homosexual, that because of the btcc's old class and point system the car didn't actually have to get to the finish line first in order to get enough points to win the championship. but it did have to finish, and chris hodgetts brought it home in the overall top 10 more often than not which gave him enough points to win the overall title twice. proving it's not just a good racecar it's a very reliable race car too.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            You think he doesn't know? He found out when I told him to actually read the wikipedia but he's too full of pride to admit he's a moron so now he's trying to pretend it doesn't actually matter what cars a race car races against.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            nta but it really doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is double bones on all 4 (multilink rear is also fine).

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            mcpherson front because it just werks

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            some of us don't like getting by with the bare ass minimum LMAO. Frick automatics.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Bare minimum would probably be a leaf sprung solid axle, or hard mounted to the car if that counts. Mcpherson does what you want it to do quite nicely.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >mcdonalds good
            kys moronic and coping poorhomosexual. good luck with the sale of your shit spec rental. Btw all my cars only go up in value and it's because of one simple feature, I'll let you guess what it is.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >he buys a car to sell it
            can't be me

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >just take the loss and drive shit spec
            kek nah I'm good. Frick automatics, frick McDonald's.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            You only lose when you sell it

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Black person you always lose when you buy McDonald's plus you look like a clown. For me it's forged aluminium bones on all 4. Nothing less.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            but you have no cars.
            no balls either, by the way

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >P-P-POST CAR
            kys, tell you what when we have a LED and Infotainment discussion thread we will call you over for your ricer expertise. Dumbass coping wrenchlet.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            but you have no cars.
            no balls either, by the way

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            keep coping Black person lover. Frick automatics btw too I KNOW you love a good torque converted slushbox too you nu-male homosexual, ricer, wrenchlet.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >you always lose when you buy McDonald's
            >BECAUSE YOU JUST DO OK

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            MacPhersons are the chupacabra, langoliers, and bogeyman are rolled into one for some of y'all
            >inb4 mcdonalds caused the holocaust
            >inb4 mcdonalds rigged WTC7 with c4
            >inb4 all Hyundais are stolen because they have mcdonalds
            You sound like a cult member. Exercise some critical thinking rather than spouting catchphrases

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            The AE86 won the BTCC back-to-back. It was the perfect package for the job. Incredibly consistent. Tough as nails. Telepathic handling.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            What was it racing against?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            i mean the way the btcc was it really did not fricking matter
            those dudes were out for fricking blood, so you could say critically that the ae86 survived racing against much faster cars, you cannot deny it was a good car and its success is appropriately attributed, it won by playing the rules.
            it was competing directly against other 1.6 liter cars so beat the 205 GTI and Escort RS1600, to say its competition was "lackluster" is a bit of a stretch, those are two legendary automobiles in their own right.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >it competed against two FWD shitters in a class that no one gave a frick about
            That's its crowning achievement?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            the escort rs1600 is one of the greatest rwd rally cars of all time you worthless busrider

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            The RS1600 is RWD, but we already knew you are clueless

            It was the FWD escort you brainlets
            and if it wasn't in the earlier years or something, then the escort was 10 years old at that point

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            still a highly accomplished racing car of its era as was the peugeot

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >is completely wrong
            >doesn't apologise
            >"well actually I'm still right for this other reason"
            Classic DA moron

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            The RS1600 is RWD, but we already knew you are clueless

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            the escort rs1600 is one of the greatest rwd rally cars of all time you worthless busrider

            Very telling that this moron doesn't know about what is arguably one of the most important, successful cars in motorsports history with a history of excellence that continues to this day. A car in such high demand that new bodyshells are being manufactured. In fact, you can buy whole new cars now.
            A RWD car with a live rear axle, often even still sitting on leaf springs, that somehow manages to keep up with and even outpace 4WD Group Rally2/R5 machinery every now and then.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Oh look another moron

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            uhhhhh the 86 was always coils in the rear
            even the e71 was not that outdated

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >you don't RACE against cars in different classes.
            i mean technically you do
            you're still competing against the other class for overall position, which the ae86 won as well as its own class because thats what happens when you win the whole motherfricking race

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >the whole motherfricking race
            What race did it win?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >even by modern standards?
      Lol no, it was only good compared to other underpowered, floppy, live axle shitboxes of its time. Even in your Japanese cartoon it's called a shitbox all the time and the whole point is that Dagumi can play to its strengths and compensate for its weaknesses.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Because it's a light car. Old Lotuses had sold axles and handled beautifully. 60s Ferraris had solid axles too and were revered for their handling.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        and they all got mogged in time by light cars with IRS

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          I disagree

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            miats > elan

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            You are gay

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            not an argument

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            The Elan has something similar to Maccas on all four, not a live rear axle

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            The Elan has normal double wishbones in the front and a variant of what eventually because famous as the Jaguar IRS in the back. It's double wishbones, but the top links are the axle shafts.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            doesn't look like it m8

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >but also have famously good handling even by modern standards?
      >ae86
      HAHA WHAT?????

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Handling =/= mechanical or tire grip

  13. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >Solid axle
    >Leaf spring
    Oh yeah. That's the stuff.

    • 1 week ago
      [PLEBSPOTTERS] BigC

      >diesel smoke
      >has a ford v8
      what did he mean by this

  14. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    they are only good when you ditch everything and install traction bars that are as long as the car
    >still shitty for doing anything besides going straight on smooth road

  15. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah I love paying $20,000 just to be able to get ground clearance instead of spending a third of that on a set of longer arms and HD axles.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Could you simply run larger tyres like everyone else or.....?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Look an actual idiot.

  16. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >AE86 fanboys who read a wikipedia page call you moronic for knowing how the BTCC and ETCC works
    >AE86 fanboys who watched youtube video about rallying once call you a moronic for knowing more about Ford Escorts than them

    What is it about the AE86 which attracts the dunning-kruger types?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Weebs are not people

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >"know how the btcc works" so you use disingenuous lies to encourage people to look up the statistics to see that car did in fact win its class more consistently than any other car meaning that it was indeed the best car in the btcc for two years straight thereby proving absolutely nothing
      >try to claim its competition was weak
      >two of the most successful racing shitboxes in the history of mankind one of which is an upper class car without its turbo
      >try to move the goalposts into riffing on ae86 fanboys when you have literally wasted your time proving absolutely nothing

      at least you passed the chat gpt test so i know i'm arguing with an actual moron

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Still waiting for that apology from when you morons called me mean names for actually knowing something about the subject matter.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          this isn't reddit dipshit go frick yourself with a rake

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          sorry!

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Then you should know what class wins are. And that cars in one class aren't necessarily racing against cars in another class.
          Teams don't enter their GT cars in Le Mans to race against the Prototypes.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Oh yeah? so how successful was it in the overall races?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >goalposts
            Cringe

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Then what was it racing against in its class?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >And that cars in one class aren't necessarily racing against cars in another class.
            but they are

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >what races did it win?
      >list races it won
      >NO THEY DONT COUNT!!
      Do you have autism?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        it's called moving the goalposts. Git gud

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >races
        >won
        U wot m8?

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >doesn't know how classes work
          Sad

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            So what races did it win and what was it racing against

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >please spoonfeed me mummy!
            No kek

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah! That heckin 86 with its whooping 100hp just slid around every corner btfoing everything due to its superior nippon steel and takumi skilled drivers!

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            wouldn't doubt it

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            120hp in factory form*
            And yes. The Corolla AE86 had a large following in motorsports for a reason.
            I know you want to meme about initial d but that would just betray your utter lack of knowledge of motorsports and car culture during the 80s and 90s.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            I’d still have any of its competitors from the era. At the end of the day it’s just some jap shitbox

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >IT WAS FAMOUSLY GOOD HANDLING!
            >no I can't actually show any evidence for that

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Top 10 overall finish in Spa 24 Hours, and class win.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >a single top 10
            Wow!

            Here let me show you a car that is ACTUALLY famously good handling and was ACTUALLY able to compete with the higher class cars and ACTUALLY win races.
            And guess what - it wasn't live axle.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >was literally in the highest class
            >loses the championship to japanese lra econobox
            kek bmwsissies btfo

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >was literally in the highest class

            Another great AE86 fanboy dunning-kruger moment!

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            AE86 handles better.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            moron.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >IT JUST DOES OK

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Yep ;^)
            I've driven the E30 and AE86 back to back in Assetto Corsa and the E30 is an understeering pig lmao.

            >can't adjust camber
            You mean it's got factory protection from your shitty gay mods and inevitable destruction due to obscene neglect?
            Frick ricers for ruining good cheap cars

            Alignment adjustment is essential for ideal performance on the track.
            If you associate camber with "le ricers" then you're a nocar slowgay.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >trust me bro, I've driven them in assetto

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Yes. Even professional drivers practice in Assetto Corsa.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Assetto is a shit game for morons, professional drivers drive E30s and win races.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous
          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Look at that body gap. Yuck! Wheels don't have enough camber either.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            > Alignment adjustment is essential for ideal performance on the track
            This homie knows.
            Its simply a good thing to be able to adjust the suspension in every possible direction.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            brother this piece of shit is McDonald's on all 4. It cant handle for shit kek

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Yes tell me all about how the E30 rear suspension is McPherson strut Mr suspension expert and E30 expert.
            I will greatly value you extremely knowledgeable opinion.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            moron.

  17. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    but you have no cars.
    no balls either, by the way

  18. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    ricer, wrenchlet

  19. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    ricelet, stancelet, slowgaylet, boyracelet

  20. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Objectively true. But also ford needs to bring back TTB/TIB on their light duty trucks
    >significantly stronger than IFS
    >just as comfortable as IFS
    >better handling characteristics and geometry than mcdonalds
    There is no downside for trucks
    >nb4 two extra bushings to replace
    Wrenchlet. Its not that bad and its easier overall to work on than A arm IFS and overall less moving parts
    >nb4 tire wear
    Wrenchlet. This only happens on poorly maintained TTB and you should fix your truck

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      You're also a moronic homosexual. Just by sheer definition of how those setups work, the tire WILL ALWAYS change camber angles throughout THE ENTIRE SUSPENSION TRAVEL. They eat tires for a living, and are shit for handling purposes as well because of the the constant change of track width and camber.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        The reason the make the arms so long is because it reduces the ammount of track and camber change. For this reason they work well for off-road vehicles but I think the roll centres get messed up for road vehicles, not to mention the unsprung weight of a control arm that long.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >two extra bushings to replace
      There's only four bushings in the whole front end.
      >two on the pivots
      >two on the radius arms

  21. 1 week ago
    Anonymous
  22. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    F10 bro you really need to get a life, you're on here like 24 hours a day. Don't you have a girlfriend or something?

  23. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >better
    at rock crawling sure. They just happen to be inferior at everything else.
    I mean, if you want to go slow with lots of articulations and strength, yeah but if you want to move with any kind of speed or handling, no.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Umm sweaty did you forget about the most prestigious motor sport of all? The one where you hold your foot flat, keep the steering wheel straight and ruin your engine from 5 seconds of run time.

    • 1 week ago
      [PLEBSPOTTERS] BigC

      wtf are you talking about Baja trophy trucks have solid rear axles
      OP said IRS
      IRS is REAR suspension

  24. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Anyone who shits on LRA has never driven a light weight LRA car.
    Nocar busriders automatically associate a live rear with some old truck.
    No one would ever drive a 1st gen RX7, AE86, Escort etc and say they handle poorly.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >1st gen RX7, AE86, Escort etc and say they handle poorly.
      You can safely say if a car has anything besides bones or multilink it rides like shit

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        One of the comfiest rides I've experienced in a car was in a live rear sedan built in the 80s. So there's that.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >One of the comfiest rides I've experienced in a car was in a live rear sedan built in the 80s.
          Doesn't really matter, if its McDonald's it's shit. Bones or it's a rental.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Post a non-rental car

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            have a nice day homosexual, wrenchlet, ricer

  25. 1 week ago
    Anonymous
  26. 1 week ago
    p™

    SOLID DICKS ARE BETTER THAN SOFT DICKS

  27. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >Puts power down better than IRS.
    Show me a 3 second IRS car

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >the pushrod enthusiast has zero reading comprehension
      pottery

  28. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Modern rally Escort rear axles can have adjustable toe and camber. Afaik there are a couple of different ways to do it.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >all the complexity of independent with the performance of a live axle
      They only do that if they have to adhere to rules, whenever the rules allow they swap IRS into them.

  29. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    A dedion tube has all of the advantages of a live axle with a tiny fraction of the unsprung weight. I guess you could make the claim that getting rid of the CVs makes a live axle ever so slightly more efficient, but a dedion lets you use a torque tube and get rid of the driveshaft U-joints.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Forgot my pic

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        undependant rear suspension
        EZ-snap rear axles for maximum failure under panic braking

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          The braking force on the rear tires will be much less than the propelling force. Braking is done mainly on the front.

          >all the complexity of IRS with the performance of a live axle
          There's no need to be contrarian anon, just go IRS.

          A live axle does have advantages, as pointed out in the OP. The dedion combines those advantages with some of the advantages of an IRS, plus it's possible to make them extremely lightweight. If I were to design a car from scratch though, it would have a double wishbone variant rear suspension, with the axle shaft serving as the upper control arm and a wide, thin transverse leaf spring serving as the lower control arm.

          jaguar?

          frick automatics, frick mcdonalds

          No, it's an Alfa dedion suspension. The Jaguar IRS is a form of double wishbone, picrel, and AFAIK they never used a rear mounted transaxle. I'm not sure what automatics or mcdonalds have to do with it, since the transaxle I posted is clearly a manual and Jaguars traditionally used double wishbones all around. Maybe they went to macphersons in the Ford era as a cost cutting measure? I don't know.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >If I were to design a car from scratch though, it would have a double wishbone variant rear suspension, with the axle shaft serving as the upper control arm and a wide, thin transverse leaf spring serving as the lower control arm.
            horrifying

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Why have extra parts if they're not needed? I'd also use the outer CV as the wheel bearing.

            Because tyre distortion is a thing that exists
            [...]
            Tyre distortion is a thing that exists, you won't get 2 degrees of camber out of a live axle, even 1 degree is hard on the splines, mcpherson will gain as much camber as you want it to, you're moronic.

            Most cars with macphersons don't even get enough dynamic camber just to match the body roll unless you install droop limiters or fat swaybars.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            I'm pretty sure a leaf spring changes length (in the horizontal axis) as it flexes. Also using an axle shaft as a load bearing suspension part will reduce its service life significantly.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >I'm pretty sure a leaf spring changes length (in the horizontal axis) as it flexes.
            It's not a semielliptical spring pack. It's also not my idea, I lifted it from a Swedish study on designing lightweight cars.
            >Also using an axle shaft as a load bearing suspension part will reduce its service life significantly.
            That didn't stop Jaguar from doing it for 50 years

            https://i.imgur.com/MrLKZPI.jpeg

            The braking force on the rear tires will be much less than the propelling force. Braking is done mainly on the front.

            [...]
            A live axle does have advantages, as pointed out in the OP. The dedion combines those advantages with some of the advantages of an IRS, plus it's possible to make them extremely lightweight. If I were to design a car from scratch though, it would have a double wishbone variant rear suspension, with the axle shaft serving as the upper control arm and a wide, thin transverse leaf spring serving as the lower control arm.

            [...]
            No, it's an Alfa dedion suspension. The Jaguar IRS is a form of double wishbone, picrel, and AFAIK they never used a rear mounted transaxle. I'm not sure what automatics or mcdonalds have to do with it, since the transaxle I posted is clearly a manual and Jaguars traditionally used double wishbones all around. Maybe they went to macphersons in the Ford era as a cost cutting measure? I don't know.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >That didn't stop Jaguar from doing it for 50 years
            Jaguars don't live long enough for their axles shaft durability to matter

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            I can dig it. What car would you put this in?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            I can assure you they are set up to the camber curve desired and can easily be set up for more.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Mcdoogals aren't MUCH better in terms of camber gain but still an improvement over zero. Plus you get all the other benefits of not having a solid axle of course.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            You're confusing static and dynamic camber. Macpherson struts have relatively little dynamic camber (aka camber gain) but are trivial to set up for whatever static camber you want. A straight axle is limited in static camber (generally less than 1 degree, although with full float axles its possible to run extreme amounts of static camber) but dynamic camber is always exactly equal to body roll. So in the example above of 3 degrees of body roll, a straight axle would have 3 degrees of camber gain.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >Macpherson struts have relatively little dynamic camber (aka camber gain)
            Just like any other suspension capable of camber gain, that depends on how it is set up, moron.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Show me a production vehicle with 5 degrees of camber gain with mcstruts.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Why would a production vehicle be set up to gain 5 degrees of neg camber?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >deflection
            KYS nta btw

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Show me a double bones car set up to gain 5 degrees through its normal intended range of cornering travel

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous
          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            FRICKING MIATAS REEEEEEEEEEEE LAMO. dude imagine your dream car being worse equipped than the cheapest gayest little shitbox ever made.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >Show me a double bones car set up to gain 5 degrees through its normal intended range of cornering travel
            >NO NOT THAT ONE REEEEEEEEEEEEE!
            Okay, bro.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            dumbass little miata ricer I'm on your side (sort of) kek

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >Show me a double bones car set up to gain 5 degrees through its normal intended range of cornering travel
            >NO NOT THAT ONE REEEEEEEEEEEEE!
            Okay, bro.

            Post wheel gaps.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Cute that you clueless morons think the suspension is actually intended to travel 12 inches and camber in 6 degrees
            Short upper arm double bones cambers in TOO MUCH during its uppermost range of travel, that's an unintended consequence of arm geometry which is set-up to get the correct camber curve during the intended range of travel.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            And the correct amount is -0.234 degrees

            https://i.imgur.com/fC8EJQz.jpeg

            >Decide to fact check the McDonald's shill
            >The FR-S front suspension has a maximum of -0.234 degrees of camber gain
            >At a displacement that corresponds to about 3 degrees of body roll
            >Meanwhile a solid axle would have -3 degrees of camber gain at 3 degrees of body roll
            Holy shit lmao, I had no idea it was this bad. Imagine how fricked you would be putting this suspension in the back.

            , right?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >my numbers bro trust me
            I'm sure the GT86 is set up with the camber curve they desired, and if it's not, it could be.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >MCDONALDS ACTUALLY GOOD BRO
            kys nobody is buying your piece of shit rental

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >that depends on how it is set up
            kek, dumbass, you have no tools. like if you just posted a well organized toolbox people would be inclined to at least consider what you have to say but you cant LMOA.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Oh look it's the
            >MCPHERSON BAD BECAUSE IT JUST IS OK
            poster again

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        jaguar?

        frick automatics, frick mcdonalds

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >all the complexity of IRS with the performance of a live axle
      There's no need to be contrarian anon, just go IRS.

  30. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    What's a good axle that you can get adjustable LSDs for?
    I like my aluminum 9" but the pinion support leaves no room for a big ring gear carrier that is needed for a ramp style LSD.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Just run a spool

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >poster wants a torque actuated LSD
        >"just run a spool bro"
        moron

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          He's the moron, since the same company that made his pumpkin advertises a clutched LSD for it. He should still just run a spool, though.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >clutched LSD
            Yeah, and I have one in there, in the pic. But it's not a ramp style one, it just uses the separation force from the spider gears+preload.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            https://i.imgur.com/ezMirRD.jpeg

            What's a good axle that you can get adjustable LSDs for?
            I like my aluminum 9" but the pinion support leaves no room for a big ring gear carrier that is needed for a ramp style LSD.

            Ford 9" have plate type LSDs available for them. Is the Strange housing that much smaller inside?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >Is the Strange housing that much smaller inside?
            They're a little tighter than the ford ones maybe, but the issues is that the design has the extra pinion support, where other designs like the 8.8" don't have that, and it makes room for an adjustable lsd like https://www.3jdriveline.com/differentials/lsd-tech/

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Google ford 9 inch lsd 30 45 and see what comes up

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Google ford 9 inch lsd 30 45 and see what comes up

            https://gripperlsd.com/product/ford-9/
            I would contact these guys and comfirm that it fits your type of housing

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Neat, thanks. I am not yet to the point where spending 2k on a diff makes sense, but it's good to know one is available.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      OSGiken makes one but the picture is a placeholder.

  31. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    IRS means takes which means IRS axels are gay as frick and commie bullshit

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Has Anyone Really Been Far Even as Decided to Use Even Go Want to do Look More Like?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Yes.

  32. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I agree, I prefer suspension over taxation

  33. 1 week ago
    Anonymous
  34. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >Decide to fact check the McDonald's shill
    >The FR-S front suspension has a maximum of -0.234 degrees of camber gain
    >At a displacement that corresponds to about 3 degrees of body roll
    >Meanwhile a solid axle would have -3 degrees of camber gain at 3 degrees of body roll
    Holy shit lmao, I had no idea it was this bad. Imagine how fricked you would be putting this suspension in the back.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      to fact check the McDonald's shill
      why do you think certain posters are so adamant about not being seen in a rental?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      break it down for the slow people (me)

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        he's using disingenuous language and a confusing graph on purpose to be funny so don't worry about it
        basically he's saying as the cars' body rolls and the suspension compresses the wheels camber goes increasingly negative (stanced) and in a McDonalds strut the negative camber gain is less than that of a solid axle.
        well that's fine and all except on a solid axle both ends of the axle are linked together so while the outside may indeed go to -3 degrees the inside will go to +3 degrees which results in both tires staying perfectly flat on the ground while the body rolls 3 degrees entirely independently of the axle.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >which results in both tires staying perfectly flat on the ground while the body rolls 3 degrees entirely independently of the axle.
          kek no

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            yes thats exactly how that works
            a solid rear axle is a solid rear axle. it has no camber gain

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Frickin way she goes.
      tbh double wishbone cars don't rely a lot on camber gain even though they could. Generally you just start increasing the static negative camber until the tires wear reasonably even.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >dude just trust me
      Show me the geometry

  35. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELP
    >I'M NOT GOOOOOOONING ENOUGH CAMBURRRR

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Running so much static camber that the inside tire is visibly negative even at full droop
      >Still not enough total camber
      Grim.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >static camber bad
        Did you think bones cars don't run static camber then?

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >It's okay that my mcdonalds struts don't have any camber gain because static camber is actully better
          Is this just pure cope or will you actually make an attempt to justify your claim?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >don't have any camber gain
            That's where you're wrong bucko
            But your argument is that they don't have enough camber gain because they run static camber, but bones cars also run static camber, so that is not proof of insufficient camber gain.

            Hope this helps!

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >That's where you're wrong bucko
            You're right, I'm sorry, I meant 0.234 degrees.

            >But your argument is that they don't have enough camber gain because they run static camber, but bones cars also run static camber, so that is not proof of insufficient camber gain.
            It's proof that neither has sufficient camber gain.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >and then he said "akshually double bones doesn't have enough camber gain either"

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Every degree of dynamic camber is a degree of static camber you don't need to run. Every degree of static camber you don't run is better traction on straights and less tire wear. There are no advantages to static camber, it's just a bandaid for insufficient dynamic camber. Mcdonald's struts need to run more static camber because they gain less dynamic camber, that's what makes them worse.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            mcphersons can gain a lot of camber if they're designed right

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >If if if if they're designed right
            Bro shut the frick up

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            same with a double wishbone. if the arm lengths aren't right there won't be camber gain

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >There are no advantages to static camber
            WRONG you brainless moron
            The reason EVERYONE RUNS STATIC CAMBER regardless of what suspension system they are using is because YOU WANT static camber to counteract the immediate tyre distortion you get on turn in - independent of body roll.

            For a moron like you, you could think of it like this:
            >camber gain to counteract body roll
            >static camber to counteract tyre distortion
            Of course this is simplifying it because really tuned suspension will have a curve built into it so that the camber gain profile also matches the load/tyre distortion profile so that it can camber in and toe in more when the tyre is loaded more, but I'm trying to keep it simple for your moronic brain.

            Static camber is good, and you have no brain if you think otherwise.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >camber gain to counteract body roll
            Okay, yeah, which is why a suspension with -0.234 degrees of camber gain at 3 degrees of body roll is defective.

            >because really tuned suspension will have a curve built into it so that the camber gain profile also matches the load/tyre distortion profile so that it can camber in and toe in more when the tyre is loaded more
            Uh-huh, yeah, and a well tuned suspension doesn't need static camber because it can account for tire loading dynamically.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >a well tuned suspension doesn't need static camber
            I can't believe I'm arguing with someone so stupid you think cars shouldn't run static camber.........

            >which is why a suspension with -0.234 degrees of camber gain at 3 degrees of body roll is defective.
            >muh made up numbers
            See

            https://i.imgur.com/YZ9xaDW.jpeg

            >HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELP
            >I'M NOT GOOOOOOONING ENOUGH CAMBURRRR

            Mcpherson rear and wow! What a surprise! It isn't cornering with +2.66 rear camber like you say it should! How could this possibly be?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            https://i.imgur.com/Ymu1gyz.jpeg

            >static camber bad mmmkay
            >a well tuned car doesn't need static camber mmmkay

            https://i.imgur.com/rqfzUbq.jpeg

            >I'm a complete fricking moron and I know nothing about racing mmmkay

            https://i.imgur.com/uAY7N9W.jpeg

            >hold up.... is that a racing car with HECKING STATIC CAMBER?????

            Post your F1 car with bread on hood

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >There are no advantages to static camber
            >a well tuned suspension doesn't need static camber

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >Huh, he said that static camber is just a bandaid for insufficient dynamic camber and I have no counterargument
            >I know! I'll post a bunch of pictures from a race series that's required by the rules to run high aspect ratio tires, and has to set up their cars for practically zero body roll to keep their aero working
            >Surely these cars with very little body roll and very little suspension travel will magically create a ton of dynamic camber out of nowhere, thus disproving his claim that dynamic camber is superior to static camber
            Just stop posting, it's not healthy to embarrass yourself for days on end like this.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >ummm sweaty those cars don't count

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            I didn't say they don't count, I said they're not examples of cars with enough dynamic camber that they don't need to run static camber. They have very little dynamic camber and lots of tire deformation.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            And all the other racing cars I've posted?
            I suppose you'll dream up some excuse for why they don't count either?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            They're street cars that are being raced and aren't allowed to change their suspension pickups to account for needing more camber for racing.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
            Are there any cars that DO count or......?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            As far as racecars are concerned, it would have to be cars that are designed or completely reengineered for a class that doesn't limit tire or suspension design. Something like the ID.R would count, or AM autocross specials. Highly developed unlimited class time attack cars might count, but on the other hand most of those are either focusing on low-hanging fruit and not fully reengineering their suspension, or extreme aero cars that need to sacrifice their suspension performance for aero concerns.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Ok so what about road cars?
            Do they count?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, but I'll assume that you'll be disingenuous and cite examples of McDonalds strut commuters set up with 0 camber and double wishbone cars set up with significant camber for autocross or touge, so no.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >yes but no
            Did you not know sports cars come stock with static rear camber then?

  36. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    BEHOLD
    THE STARK CONTRAST IN CAMBER GAIN BETWEEN A MCPHERSON PLEB AND A DOUBLE BONES / MULTILINK MASTER RACE

  37. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >static camber bad mmmkay
    >a well tuned car doesn't need static camber mmmkay

  38. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >I'm a complete fricking moron and I know nothing about racing mmmkay

  39. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >hold up.... is that a racing car with HECKING STATIC CAMBER?????

  40. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelp
    >I'm static coooooooombering

  41. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >when you set your car up to what works best on the track but some guy behind his computer on a mongolian fart huffing forum says you got it all wrong

  42. 1 week ago
    Anonymous
  43. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Mcpherson haters have once again proven themselves to be the absolute dumbest motherfrickers on the board

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      s2k has bones dumbass. The fact you think they could make a hood that low with maccas says everything

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >too stupid to follow the thread of conversation
        That's the point moron, bones cars run static camber too because static camber is good.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          have a nice day, frick driving a rental

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        No, he thinks he's proving that McDonald's are good by posting a rice burner that has both double wishbones and an excess of static camber.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      You're posting cars with bones tho

  44. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    both my dailies are irs and live axles front rear
    they handle about the same

  45. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >Live axle thread
    Can someone direct me to a resource on the kinematics of reversed 3-link suspensions? I've tried searching but all anyone ever says is "don't do that, your driveshaft will fall out." That's not a concern for my application, I just want to know how to calculate antisquat and shit with the links reversed.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      like the links coming from the back bumper of the car?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Yes

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          idk any resources, but I think you do it the same way you would do a normal 3 link. What is the application? I am curious.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            6x6 conversion with a tcase between the axles

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Interesting. For offroad use I would worry about a lot of other stuff before worrying about stuff like antisquat. Like if your drive shaft angle goes to shit at full droop, or if the two axles will get too close to each other when at full flex. But I've never done it before so I'm just thinking out loud.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            I've got all of the "make it work" stuff figured out, but I'm autismal as frick and can't do a thing until it's fully optimized.

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