V10 Touareg

I see these going from 3-7k euros. Why are they so cheap? I'm tempted to get one to use as a winter beater/ towing. I know that you guys don't like SUVs but please put that aside

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    look up what it takes to do most work on them. for 9/10 situations a newer v6 tdi is enough and better all around

    https://jalopnik.com/the-volkswagen-touareg-v10-tdi-was-more-of-a-nightmare-1822934503

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >for 9/10 situations a newer v6 tdi is enough and better all around
      those cost more and are less cool

      Complex motherfrickers. Driveshafts are shared between all models, and are really too weak to handle the V10's torque.
      Air suspension can fail. Apparently the valve body is another common failure, about as much as the driveshafts.
      Exhaust manifolds crack, and replacing/repairing them is an engine-out job.
      Funnily enough these don't suffer from the usual VW/Audi timing chain issues because they use a gear-driven valvetrain.

      They seem like a nightmare to own, if I find one that's been perfectly maintained I'd get it but otherwise I'll pass

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The V6 is less cool but absolutely the more sensible choice. Everything on the V10 is packaged so tightly that besides oil changes and maybe an alternator swap, replacing anything in the engine bay requires dropping the engine. The starter is located underneath the right side turbocharger, for example.
        Even with perfect maintenance records I wouldn't want to own one long-term.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Even with perfect maintenance records I wouldn't want to own one long-term
          I don't really want to use it as a daily, what do you think could I get away with it if I sold it in like 2-3 years

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            A couple years would probably be fine if it just had all the failure-prone under-hood items replaced. Think fuel pumps, turbos, that sort of thing. Driveshafts and valve bodies are a known issue on both the Touareg and Cayenne so your local specialist or stealership will know how to deal with those and probably keeps stocked up on parts, and they might even be viable to do yourself if you have access to a lift.
            Problem is the cheap ones tend to be cheap for a reason, namely that they're coming up on one of their big engine-out moments and the cost of that service exceeds the value of the car.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Thanks anon, I look for one that has everything done, I'll also need to check with the closest stealership if they are willing to work on it. I want to own a v10 in my life and this one seems like the cheapest entry point

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Just keep in mind these were never cheap cars, and they never will be in terms of cost of ownership.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I'm aware of that, at the end of a day this is the same car as a cayenne or a q7. This reminds me q7 came with a v12 tdi. I wonder how hard is it to own one of those

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            There were only around 50 v12 TDIs ever put in production cars, so I doubt you can ever afford one

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >so I doubt you can ever afford one
            There are 4 of them for sale around the europe, going between 22-27000 euros. It's a steal if they really are 1/50

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I highly doubt that number.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            According to German Forums around 1200 were produced and according to a german newspaper annual production was 300-500 cars, which would match the 1200 number

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            According to German Forums around 1200 were produced and according to a german newspaper annual production was 300-500 cars, which would match the 1200 number

            50 of them were for the UK market, he might have thought that those were the full production numbers

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            There were only around 50 v12 TDIs ever put in production cars, so I doubt you can ever afford one

            bongs commonly spread misinformation like this, rare-spec cars like this are often produced in somewhat attainable numbers which means they'll pop up for sale once in a while.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Why not just do a E60 M5/M6 and change the rod bearings ahead of time

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            High cost of entry, I could deal with the maintenance/fuel/insurance if I someone gave me the car for free but I don't have that much cash upfront. I'd love get the m5 as a daily in a few years, but now is not the time

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Why are they so cheap?
      VAG cars are designed with 5 year lifespan in mind
      This is a niche car, maintenence is expensive
      Euros can barely afford to fuel up a 3 cylinder.

      >9/10 situations a newer v6 tdi
      You sir are a homosexual.
      >pic semi related
      Did you know fords shitty RV and ambulance V10 engine from the 90's makes about the same amount of power as VW V10?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The shitty 3V actually makes 10hp more than the twin turbo VW kek

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The shitty 3V actually makes 10hp more than the twin turbo VW kek

        that's a petrol engine, those always make more horsepower compared to diesels

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Complex motherfrickers. Driveshafts are shared between all models, and are really too weak to handle the V10's torque.
    Air suspension can fail. Apparently the valve body is another common failure, about as much as the driveshafts.
    Exhaust manifolds crack, and replacing/repairing them is an engine-out job.
    Funnily enough these don't suffer from the usual VW/Audi timing chain issues because they use a gear-driven valvetrain.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The V10 is basically 2 I5 van engine joined at the crank which has both advantages and disadvantages.
    On one hand they share loads of parts with far more common engines like injectors. On the other hand they have 2 of a lot of those parts, the most important one being the high pressure fuel pump which is doubled up, costs about £1000 from VW, is also your vacuum pump for your power brakes and allegedly has to have the entire powerpack dropped out the bottom to replace them

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    High torque in V10 tdi is both an advantage and a disadvantage .
    1. advantage if you want to tow Boeing
    2. disadvantage because it is easy to break the clutch and transmission

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Uncle had one of these.
    Absolute hoss of a car.
    In a world where I had unlimited money and time to have it in the dealer, I would daily one no question.
    He had the engine replaced for 35,000 out of (his company) pocket.
    In like 2007.
    Man that fricker pulled like a champ though.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Why are they so cheap?
    Because parts are ridiculously expansive and the shitbox is so complicated that every mechanic will charge you an extra premium because even the most mundane tasks take forever.
    Repeat after me

    IF THE PRICE IS SUSPICIOUSLY LOW THEN THERE IS SONETHING WRONG BECAUSE NOBODY OFFERS WELFARE CARS

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    When I was in college in 2016 one of my lecturers had a R50, it sprung a leak somewhere on the fuel system and VW qouted him £7800 to fix it.
    He traded it against a 2012 Ford Focus with the small diesel (1.6?) and I think he came out slightly ahead with cash in his pocket. Presumably Ford didn't see the leak.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Why are they so cheap?
    >alternator goes out
    >have to drop the engine and transmission out the bottom of the car using a special hoist to replace it
    I'm not sure anon, it's a mystery

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Alternator just means pulling the intake and digging through a mess of pipes, but if anything else goes it's drop the engine o'clock.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >alternator is an engine out job
      This can't be real. I'd give the car back to the dealership, through the window.
      My silverado is a shitpile but I lost an alternator in the high dez late at night, temp was already below freezing at sunset. Drove for miles on the parking lights and used the battery out of the SXS to make it back to civilization. Swapped it in the Vatozone parking lot in about 20 minutes.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    don't you have to pull the engine to do anything

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nobody wants one. Can I interest you in a Lada Niva.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      OP here, funnily enough I had one. Amazing car

      https://i.imgur.com/h4aC19n.jpeg

      >Why are they so cheap?
      VAG cars are designed with 5 year lifespan in mind
      This is a niche car, maintenence is expensive
      Euros can barely afford to fuel up a 3 cylinder.

      >9/10 situations a newer v6 tdi
      You sir are a homosexual.
      >pic semi related
      Did you know fords shitty RV and ambulance V10 engine from the 90's makes about the same amount of power as VW V10?

      >Did you know fords shitty RV and ambulance V10 engine from the 90's makes about the same amount of power as VW V10?
      Wasn't vw v10 the most powerful diesel in the world at the time

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Wasn't vw v10 the most powerful diesel in the world at the time
        Maybe in it's class but there's been 100,000hp marine diesels for like 30 years

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I meant the most powerful diesel ever put in a passenger vehicle

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's a lot less impressive when you start restricting it like that, there's been 700hp truck motors for way longer and they're only double the size, I think the specific output is actually higher

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lol
    Lmao even. Enjoy your 10k service bill for an engine out service when a gasket blows

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    mk2 with 4.2 TDI engine is far better car in every regard

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

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