What the Frick is going on in Europe right now? >new Bugatti goes from 8.0 to 8.3. >new Porsche goes from 3.0 to 3.6

What the Frick is going on in Europe right now?
>new Bugatti goes from 8.0 to 8.3
>new Porsche goes from 3.0 to 3.6
>new CLE goes from 4 cylinder to V8
I thought displacement was illegal over there.

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Bugatti is keeping up with Koenigsegg
    Porsche was able to up displacement with the hybrid system in your OP
    CLE 4 cylinder flopped.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    EU rules aren't based on displacement they are based on emissions

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the whole world should rule based on mpg and free up emissions

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If Trump wins he'll likely see the epa ass raped out of most of its regulations

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        smoothbrain take if you can't see this is practically the same, but better
        >emissions regs state a window wherein a vehicle is allowed to emit a certain amount of emissions per distance driven
        >fuel consumption isn't fricking up the environment in itself, but the emissions produced during 'consumption'

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          smoothbrain take if you can't see that is not the same

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Smoothbrain take if you don't realize consumption ≠ emission

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Smoothbrain take if you don't realize i realized consumption ≠ emission and that's why i made that post in the first place

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Smoothbrain if you coudn't get that from the frasier post and still replied

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            you have issues

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    ah yes an electric motor in a 1000c exhaust header turbo manifold what could go wrong

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      porsche dealers be like

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        yeah no wonder aftermarket has not touched dynamo hybrid turbo shit

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >no wonder aftermarket has not touched dynamo hybrid turbo shit
          That it hasn't been done by the aftermarket isn't much of a surprise imo. Developing a hybrid turbo is probably fabulously expensive in addition to the power supply and contol unit you need. The amount of people who would be willing to retrofit one is also fairly slim.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            seems extremely pointless when rolling antilag is cheaper easier at the expense of emissions bullshit

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I'm no expert but isn't rolling anti-lag basically just maintaining the engine's rpm to keep the turbo running?
            If so the result is more or less the same but on a production sports car aiming for a fair amount of comfort and luxury it makes no sense.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Anti lag is moroning the spark lile 90 degrees so that there's no power is the piston but there's hot air flowing into the turbo. There are fancier sistems that pump extra air into the exhaust manifold or even make an outright separate combustor to make the turbo run by itself like a jet engine, but the simplest version is good enough to keep turbo boost for lunches and inbetween gearchanges. It's obvious that any antilag is gonna make fuel consumption and emissions worse tbough.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >It's obvious that any antilag is gonna make fuel consumption and emissions worse tbough.
            It's also hell on your turbo's blades and bearings.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Anti lag is moroning the spark lile 90 degrees so that there's no power is the piston but there's hot air flowing into the turbo.
            So I was half wrong but my point still stands that anti-lag is no alternative for a production car. If only Porsche had experience building engines that dont have the problems that stem from using a turbo.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Aftermarket companies don't have the money to do groundbreaking stuff because it is a very small market with lots of players and a customer base very keen on comparing. They can't throw around billion dollar rnd budgets

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >they added 300-600cc to an engine
    wow, europe. dangerously based.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Trump getting elected
      >Chevron deference overturned
      >EPA and ATF BTFO
      >Europe moving over to Hellcat tier displacement engines
      Bros, it's fricking happening.

      Kek

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        All fantastic news for car industries around the world.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        People will still drive shitboxes because anything over 200hp gets taxed to fricking oblivion and because many are poorgays.

        >Renault
        >Europe's Hellcat
        Bongs are moron

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's sardoniciam you fuxking moron.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    da global warming scam

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >MGU-H makes its way into road cars just in time for it to get scrapped in the next F1 regulations update
    Pottery

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    wait what is the diff between hybrid turbo and a supercharger

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Hybrid turbo uses a battery to spool the turbo
      Supercharger uses the engine to spool the turbo

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That hybrid turbo runs on exhaust gas normally, but it can also use its built-in electric motor to recover energy from the exhaust gas to charge a battery pack and use that energy later to spin up quicker when there's not enough exhaust gas flow to make boost.

        I don't know what any of this means.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Regular:
          Exhaust gases -> turbo spins -> sucks in air -> more power and exhaust to keep the cycle going

          Hybrid:
          Exhaust gases + electricity -> turbo spins faster -> sucks in more air -> even more power and exhaust to keep the cycle going

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Supercharger:
          Engine spins, belt from engine spins compressor, compressor forces air into engine, engine adds more fuel, more air + fuel = more bang = more power

          Turbo:
          Engine spits out exhaust gas, exhaust gas spins turbine, turbine spins compressor, compressor forces air into engine, engine adds more fuel, more air + fuel = more bang = more power

          Hybrid turbo:
          Just like turbo, but now an electric motor can either be used as a generator to recover more energy from the exhaust gases, or to spin up the compressor when the engine isn't spitting out enough exhaust gas to get the turbine up to optimal speed

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Regular:
            Exhaust gases -> turbo spins -> sucks in air -> more power and exhaust to keep the cycle going

            Hybrid:
            Exhaust gases + electricity -> turbo spins faster -> sucks in more air -> even more power and exhaust to keep the cycle going

            In sorry. I don't know still. I'll leave.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >when the engine isn't spitting out enough exhaust gas to get the turbine up to optimal speed
            so this what turbo lag means? it's exclusive only to low RPMs right?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Pretty much, although throttle position also has an effect as low throttle also restricts the amount of air being pumped through the engine.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            this might be the first time I learn something onDA despite having lurked for years

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That hybrid turbo runs on exhaust gas normally, but it can also use its built-in electric motor to recover energy from the exhaust gas to charge a battery pack and use that energy later to spin up quicker when there's not enough exhaust gas flow to make boost.

        interesting thought they are similar because external power source used to drive the compressor
        seems like some superchargers take a ton of power to just get started and porsche's approach of turbo with electrical assistance makes the most sense

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        wait what is the diff between hybrid turbo and a supercharger

        hybrid turbo uses exhaust gas and electric
        turbo uses exhaust gas
        supercharger uses just engine momentum

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's not what a hybrid turbo is
        A hybrid turbo is when you take the turbine and compressor from two different turbos and bolt them together. What you're talking about is an electric compressor

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That hybrid turbo runs on exhaust gas normally, but it can also use its built-in electric motor to recover energy from the exhaust gas to charge a battery pack and use that energy later to spin up quicker when there's not enough exhaust gas flow to make boost.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Displacement taxes really don't affect richgays buying these cars

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      europe has not had displacement taxes for decades, car taxes are based on emissions

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Same shit applies, it literally doesn't matter to the target customers

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    if you insert le hybrid then you can evade carbon tax

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >porsche downsizes from 3.6 to 3.0
    >porsche upsizes from 3.0 to 3.6
    why are they like this

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    seems like the system was used by f1 way back but not motor inside the turbo

    guess it eliminates the large turbo but now you have battery system, would make alot more sense to add it already hybrid cars

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It still is, but they're ditching it in the 2026 engine regulations because it's "too complicated" and placing more focus on electric power and active aero instead.

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    european manufacturers used to assume that euro_ regulations would be increasingly strict. euro7 not advancing consumer-level emissions and efficiency turned that assumption on its head, at least for a few years

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >thought displacement was illegal over there.
    It's not, same way you can buy an AR-15 in most EU countries and magdump into piles of trash.
    These things are legal but reserved only for the nobility, where in America we are egalitarian and peasants get to have fun too.

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    all those angels https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGFw_J1XapA

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I thought displacement was illegal over there
    He fell for it.

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Rich people REALLY want cars to outrace the Tesla on the autobahn.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >a 20 year old bike can keep up with this
      Carbros....

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Outracing Teslas is no problem because EVs can't sustain 250 kph without running out of battery fast. Most Diesel Audis can easily match the Teslas top speed and the RS6 straight up mogs the plaid during sustained cruising.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Easy thing to, with full tank of gas this car can probably make it thru germany without refueling, unlike tesla. That said, probably all cars win tesla if slightest endurance task is given.

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Porsche Carrera 4 GTS Targa
    >driven by some 50s dyed hair Karen
    What is VAG marketing team trying to convey?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      not trying to appeal to anything, just depicting their average buyer

  18. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    basically, people have caught on that EVs are a meme, and automakers are rolling back on their electrification plans to focus on hybridization and alternative fuels

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