Why shouldn't I buy a used Porsche? Plenty of 911s and Caymans for under 30k USD.

Why shouldn't I buy a used Porsche? Plenty of 911s and Caymans for under 30k USD. Are the maintenance costs really that brutal?
>inb4 if you can't afford it new you can't afford it used

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Why shouldn't I buy a used Porsche?
    theyre all cheaply made junk and GTRs, NSXs, and vettes exist.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >”Porsches are cheap junk”
      >”buy a GM product instead bro”

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Why not? It's faster, cheaper, easier to work on and has a V8.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        id rather have cheap junk that's cheaper to do maintenance on than cheap junk that's needlessly expensive to do maintenance on.

        There's also the NSX. which is like a 911 Turbo, without the maintenance cost of one.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >hybrid
          I'll pass on maintaining that one

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            not sure what you're going to do when all sports cars go hybrid, including the miata.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Keep and maintain an older ICE vehicle by that point.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Replace the hybrid battery with a relatively cheap new one 20 years down the line
            Oh no, so much maintenance

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It’s funny because hybrids actually require less maintenance

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            In the short term sure, after 15 years? No thanks buddy take this Prius off me before the battery shits the bed.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            it’s pretty easy to fix, chris fix has a good video on plebtube. the battery also won’t go out all at once, you’ll just lose some efficiency. it’s still drivable in the meantime

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Citation needed

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The 2025 911 is hybrid

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            one of them (the gay one)

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Maintenance costs, not that I've heard. It's the rare failure like a cracked cylinder head or dreaded IMS bearing grenade that will hurt, and preventative care for the bearing issue will also run a couple thousand IIRC. You can also choose to live deliciously and just pretend bad things only happen to other people

          yeah good suggestion, if OP decides he's into spending like 4 times as much as he said, I'm sure he'll keep an NSX in mind

          If you have to ask, you can't afford it.
          If you can afford German repairs bills, you can afford lease payments

          great advice. people who are smart enough with their money to have a lot of it love leasing things

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >OP decides he's into spending like 4 times as much as he said
            all morons who buy used old german shit thinking they're getting a good deal are into spending 4 times as much as they say, cause that's exactly what'll happen until they dump the vehicle.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        dumb take. a porsche is nothing but a rebranded volkswagen, and we all know how reliable those are

        a GM product is 50/50 depending on what you buy but a vette is probably hands down one of the most reliable sports car series to date. and yes im talking about real sports cars, not your gay miata

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Calls a post dumb take
          >Follows up with a moronic take
          Ahh pottery

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >i assume everyone is as stupid as me; so i'll just talk out of my ass because they don't know better.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    A lift is absolutely required if you want to do any semblance of maintenance yourself, otherwise yes, you'll get fricking railed by the stealership or local specialist. Porsche tax is very real.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      hmm i could probably replace the oil myself but i don't know anything beyond that

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      how much is a lift? and why would you need it?
      how far can you get just with regular tools?

      t. wrenchlet, planning to stop being a wrenchlet

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Almost everything on a 911 or especially Cayman is done from underneath the car, so it you have some way to get the car up in the air it makes things an order of magnitude easier.
        Lifts are maybe a few thousand for a nice one (less if you buy used), the problem is getting it installed properly.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Buy a Coyote Mustang, LS3 Camaro/Vette and turbo it instead.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If you have to ask, you can't afford it.
    If you can afford German repairs bills, you can afford lease payments

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      > If you can afford German repairs bills, you can afford lease payments
      Maintenance on a 911 or a Cayman will probably be like $5k year max unless you get a trashed or abused one.
      Find where I can lease a Porsche for $416/month please.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >$5k
        Okay that'll cover the IMS bearing, but what about the cooling problems, the bore scoring, and the krautshit electronics? Oh, and it'll still need tires, brakes, oil changes etc. $5k might cover one with the bugs already worked out and been well cared for, but despite all of tgem being advertised as such, I suspect very few change hands in such shape.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          the ims bearing is massively exaggerated, the few old generations that had serious problems wouldve already went by now
          and if it didnt, its not going to anymore

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Bore scoring is still inevitable on all M96 and M97 engines

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Bore scoring is still inevitable
            Just drive the fricking thing and it's fine. Scared pussies that baby their car have fricked up engines. Just drive the thing.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Bore scoring is caused by leaking fuel injectors and the bad aos and advances the more the car is turned off and on

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >the last good analog sports cars have an extremely fatal flaw that dooms the car
            What the frick man

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            so just don't turn it off and drive it, moron

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    My boss just sold his 2016 911 to a co-worker, he said it was about to get brutal and wanted to ditch the car. The car has been reliable though, it was coming up on a few things needing to be done though. I noticed the rear tires were fairly worn when he bought it, he never did swap them out when he sold it! Haha, damn, so how much are tires for a 911 anyway? We go to lunch in his new Lucid now, I like the Porsche more.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Tires for a 911 are just around 400 a tire, not bad at all. Deal is every single 911 owner needs a rear main seal and a few other things that will absolutely break.

      >hybrid
      I'll pass on maintaining that one

      >hybrid
      Hybrids last longer than ever and it's not hybrid heavy, you can go just as fast with zero charge at all. You would simply have no electric taxi and no electric assist acceleration.

      Also Honda hybrids last a long fricking time.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I just did MPS4S Tires and mounting for $1400. This was expensive vs previous years. Usually i expected $350 per tire with a $100 rebate.

      Whatever. PS4S suck can’t wait for 5. The continentals are better and quieter at the moment.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Honestly for that price range I'd be looking at a C6 Corvette. Porsches in that range are going to be some combination of old, high miles, and troubled history, or a generation known for expensive issues.
    Yes, Porsche maintenance is brutal. You might pay 30k for it, but it will have the service cost of its original MSRP, always. Just like you can buy a used Rolls for 100k, but its yearly service still costs $15k, because it originally cost 500k.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I found a used rolls for 15 dollars
      They were your mom's lmao

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      C6 is too fat to fit on the road. 996 is 69 inches wide which is the widest a car can be and still be considered a "sports car."

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    1. There are better performance cars out there.
    2. Given #1, you are obviously paying extra for the badge, while being poor. This genuinely labels you as stupid and tryhard.

    If you really want it, get it, but it won't be the fastest thing, nor will anyone be impressed. Their interiors age like shit too.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Faster? I drive the speed limit

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Right, and how long does it take you to get to that speed limit?

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >>>inb4 if you can't afford it new you can't afford it used
    for cars like this, thats usually the case. The maitenance was made for both someone who makes a lot more for you, dosent rely on it every day to get to work, and has a warranty on the car. Im not here to call you poor, but you probably arent the richest man alive if you are considering used porsches

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You really can’t wrench on porches unless you have a 2-post lift.

    Also watch out, lots of Porsche engines are susceptible to bore scoring thanks to the garbage cylinder lokasil coatings and unlike the IMS bearing, you can’t really do anything about it. I know this because I was a used car salesman and we sold a lot of Boxsters with dying engines and we’d conceal the “lifter noise” (actually the sound of pistons slapping around in oval bores) by filling the crankcase with heavy duty diesel engine oil.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >we sold a lot of Boxsters with dying engines and we’d conceal the “lifter noise” (actually the sound of pistons slapping around in oval bores) by filling the crankcase with heavy duty diesel engine oil.
      wtf

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >you can’t really do anything about it
      I mean, you can, but it's probably not what OP had in mind.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Hilarious. I bought an Audi RS instead but I was shopping for 997s and found several with scoring going on from the usual ‘signs’ and asked them to split the repair with em on the cost of the car. This seemed reasonable to me but they were like ‘nah’ it is what it Is, we’re not fixing it. And of course some sucker bought the nexg month after they dropped the price.

      I’m not mad at them, being clear, business is business. But I KNEW that they KNEW and they knew that I knew that knew. But we all knew some poor idiot would want to take his chances on a 911.

      With that being said OP, I type this up too much so I should just make a guide.

      base 911s are shit from 996 on. Porsche needed to make money and was on the verge of bankruptcy and opted to make them house wife cars. The M96/7 engine is trash and intended for commuting and not sports cars. It doesn’t have a dry sump and will starve itself of oil on left hand turns. In addition the AOS will fail. The fuel injectors leak and fuel gets in to the cylinders and dissolves o rings and this causes oil and gas to mix and eventually leads to bore scoring. Every 911 will have it and half of the bixsterd. Don’t forget IMS and rear main. Porsche knew this and put the old metzger on the high end models.

      It uses McDonalds on a sports car. When you turn you literally lose traction as the camber shifts positive. It’s inherently going to understeer bc Porsche only puts multilink on GT3s.

      The interiors are worse than late 90s GM and flake and peel.

      In conclusion they are about 30% over priced from where they were before Covid. They do not have power, they don’t have reliability, they don’t handle well. They are expensive to buy and operate.

      Literally buy a 135i or A4 and tune it. Get a modern car with more power and equal or better suspension and spend less money.

      The 911 GT3 and Turbo are cool cars. But Porsche doesn’t care about the C2 and C2S.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Get a modern car with more power and equal or better suspension and spend less money.
        GR86 it is...

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Tbh I like them but the interior isn’t very nice and the BRZ stereo js shit

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Oem+ audio kit and add a subwoofer. Interior could he better but acceptable for the price point.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        i don't know who you're trying to play, base models consistently improve gen upon gen and they are consistently comparable to GTs from a couple gens ago
        if you think that's a bad thing you should probably look up what market segmentation is
        you sound like someone whose knowledge revolves around regurgitated chatroom banter

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          They are not. You are ignorant. Learn to take good advice when it’s in front of you.

          Or find out the hard way I don’t care.

          If you want to maintain a slow unreliable poorly designed car go ahead. It will eat you alive.

          >It’s on when Nintendo does it
          nah, Porsche/ZF added the third transmission cooler to the transmission for 2011+, and should have retrofitted them onto earlier models. I've heard if you track a PDK 981 in hot weather you'll want to upgrade the transmission cooling. dunno about 991
          >You’re not getting a better car
          it's a different car, although I think past the 997.2 it's become too bloated. The 997.2 is a great, great driver's car. It's not the fastest in any trim, but the feel is second to none. Comparing that car (or any 911) to something like a 135i or A4 is just moronic
          >M4 or RS5 or C63 or CT4 or Corvette Z51 do not have these shortcomings
          they have different ones
          >Porsche gonna do what they do and continue to have the highest margins in the business
          yup, they make over $100k on the sale of every 911 Turbo. more power to them for that

          Well a 997.2 is also significantly more expensive than a 997.1 and 996 (for a very good reason).

          A 135i is like $10k? 330hp, good brakes, good stereo and a good steering rack and manageable maintenance.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            it's actually the 996 gen that set this trend by having the 996.1 carrera as fast if not faster than the 993 carrera rs, but sure, you can hold on to your opinions

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Ok but what’s it fricking matter if a 135i is faster now for 1/3rd the cost ?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            A 135i is not 1/3rd the cost of a 996.1 C2 (but it is a much better car lmao)

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Not sure about your country, but here are japan prices:
            $5,400 for the cheapest 135i (there is another 135i with 30k fewer miles for $200 more but it’s orange)
            $18,950 for the cheapest 911

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >3.4L
            >clapped out kit
            nope

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            the porsche? yeah. Not sure on the 135i, but I’d take a clapped out 135i for $5k over a clapped out porsche for $20k any day.
            Looks like $7k for a 135i in the US with double the mileage. I don’t think japan got a lot of 135is though; lots of 128i cars though for cheap.

            I guess the 35i specifically is just horribly overpriced here (cheapest I can find is around 15k), 28i and 30i start between 5-10k)

            If you’re in america, I think m235i and 228i prices make more sense. I’d go for the 4 cylinder tbh, my m235i felt way too front heavy.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            https://i.imgur.com/qhkWo6P.png

            Not sure about your country, but here are japan prices:
            $5,400 for the cheapest 135i (there is another 135i with 30k fewer miles for $200 more but it’s orange)
            $18,950 for the cheapest 911

            Ok but what’s it fricking matter if a 135i is faster now for 1/3rd the cost ?

            No one was arguing that the Porsche is good value though. The point of contention was that base models are le heckin awesome.
            Still, I wouldn't be caught dead in a beemer.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The base models range from poor value to outright bad cars

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            No they don't, just depends on the year and options. Get at least the 3.6L and six speed manual.

            >Replace the hybrid battery with a relatively cheap new one 20 years down the line
            Oh no, so much maintenance

            Dude, used teslas are just sitting on lots because they're fricking worthless and need a $15k battery replacement +labor.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Well, good thing it's a hybrid and not a Tesla. Hence why I said relatively cheaper battery replacement, it isn't a frick huge one like in a tesla.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Anything with an M96/M97 is a bad buy, a base 996 just outright sucks as a performance car and a base 997 is much the same except it has an interior that doesn't make people want to vomit

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            They're not going down in value anon, that's the point. You can drive it and sell it for more in the future. At a minimum they will keep up with inflation. Buying a shitbox BMW is a worse idea than buying a fricking Altima.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Until the bore scoring rears its ugly head (and it will with any M96/M97) and you're left with an unsellable heap

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            They are going down. If you are in PCA they have graphs you can review.
            I’m sorry guys. I’ve wanted one. I’m not poor. I looked into it. A base 911 997.1 and earlier is a bad car. PERIOD. You will learn the hard way.

            Save for a 997.2 if you must have a 911. I get it. But the quality leap for the 997.2 is so massive it’s worth the wait.
            Ofcorise thst kind of money would get you in a C7 stingray or a newish M3….

            But if you must have a 911 save for the 997.2.

            A 135i is a great fun car for cheap in the mean time. You can go track it in the mean time and learn to drive.

            I mean, a 997 C2S doesn’t even come with an LSD, and nobody optioned them. (becuase they’re not the sports car you think it is and Porsche accepted this)

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            My 04 996 had over 150k miles on it, drove fine, no issues. Just get the IMS done with the clutch when it's due. I'm taking delivery of my 09 997 this week and look forward to the upgrade, but the 996 isn't a bad car.

            We're not talking about a 997 (where they fixed the interior) or 997.2 (where they fixed the engine design flaws) here, this moron blew 29k in total on a base model 996

            There is NOTHING redeeming about a base model 996 and even just the other German brands offer vastly superior alternatives in that price range

            If it's a 3.6L six speed that's about current market price anon, at least according to my insurance company.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            And the market massively overvalues them because of the badge

            A base 996 is a bad car, sorry you had to find out like this

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It was a great daily driver, and I made money off of it. I paid the difference for a very nicely spec'd C4S. Figure if I total that in a few years I'll just keep upgrading as the values just keep going up.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Ok, I’m glad it worked out for you. I have fond memories of not buying a 997 and buying an Audi S5 instead and easily passing them at the PCA track. And I had a bang stereo with nav and Bluetooth and the car was built in the last decade.

            That’s what I’m trying to tell you. If you want a 20 year old car you can get a better 20 year old car for 1/3rd the price. If you want to spend $30k on a car you can get a V8 M3 with rod bearings done RIGHT NOW and have a super reliable appreciating car. Or a 440i or an F10 M5 or a new BRZ with a warranty or a 3 year old Tesla Model 3 performance.

            That is the message. Get a 135i. Invest the rest in a mutual fund and if it manages to keep pace with the market for 35 years you have $160k to spend on a base model C2 when you retire.

            You have the 911 already, keep it going to 250k miles. I’ve seen some at 190k that are tracked. Of course the owner wants $20k for them and all that.

            If you are under 45 and considering one of these 911s, just don’t. They’re a terrible buy.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I've got eight cars, a truck, 20 ft trailer, six figure job in a fly over. I appreciate your consideration of my financial situation. 911s aren't common here, and they're a lot of fun to drive. Not as nimble as an NA2 NSX, but they've got considerably more midrange power and in my opinion, more fun to drive. And I can put my kid's car seat in the back, which is kinda a requirement for a daily driver. My other cars are two seaters or just not suitable for a child to be in due to the noise. I don't own a vehicle with more than two doors.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Sell 7 cars, keep the truck and get a 340i.

            Give up on the 996. It’s not a good car. It is a 911

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I just bought a 977.2 C4S anon, keep up.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Bread on dash or its a fried egg boxster and you are LARPing

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            RIP

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            scoot! : )

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Also it was tough to get 2 kids in an S5 but I did it everyday. I wouldn’t go smaller…

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            you can't tell me the 911 doesnt look infinitely better than the s5 here

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            it looks fricking sick, frick "you should've gotten x instead bro" posters

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The S5 is such a weird car from a picture vs in life perspective. I was really high on buying one when they first came out, but then I saw one in the flesh and it looked so small. 911 looks smaller to me in pictures than it does in real life up until the more recent model years.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Both the RS5 and the 911 benefit from the engine being in the wrong place. They get some extra space in the cabin thanks to the ‘bad design’.
            Makes them both better than the M3 and Camaro IMO.

            >Or a ratted out 996 from 1997
            Nobody is arguing about the early gen cars, they're crap. That 3.6L six speed is a great car to drive. DCT is fricking garbage, and another reason I didn't get the S8. You can't go from first gen Miatas, wishbone Hondas, etc. and feel any connection to the driving experience of something as lame as these 'luxury' cars. They're boring as frick to drive.
            [...]
            The cub is my kid's, it's the only auto I own. The other motorcycles are all 60's Hondas, but they're in storage.

            I can’t roll my eyes any harder with stuipid posts like this.

            https://i.imgur.com/HLOTK4Y.jpeg

            RIP

            Do you feel in charge ?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Nice pick up, R8s have been on my watch list for a long time, which is why I was interested in the S8. Not sure what you think is stupid about my post. You can't just be broad when it comes to models and years of 911s, their options, etc. They're like Honda Civics, they came in a lot of flavors and previous owners all have that same want to get back into that car they owned in the past.

            >Do you feel in charge ?
            In charge of what? lol. I'm watching hockey and bullshitting on the internet. Anon wanted to see my new car, it isn't here yet, so I posted my dead one that's being replaced.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            What's it like driving a track car on the street?
            I can't imagine trying to squeeze down a back road with something that's only 4" narrower than a F-250.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            nta but R8 is similar to an NSX or 911, just a different feel.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            R8's a lot wider, though.
            I find a major difference between my 70 inch wide Grand Prix and the 64 inch Z3. I can't take blind corners as fast in the Grand Prix not because the suspension is so shit, but because I need to account for an oncoming car being a foot in my lane. There just isn't the room to take it close to the edge of traction. It always needs to have significant steering authority and there be sufficient reaction time to avoid a head-on. The Z3 can go all out because there will always be room for it to squeeze between anything. It's tiny. I can just about lane split in them.
            The R8 is 6 inches wider than my Grand Prix. So... how do you drive that thing at the limit on the street?
            If you need to baby it around a corner more than my Grand Prix, is it really the right car for the street?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I’ve never had an issue tbh, idk where you live but here the roads have room for it and a truck to side by side without much concern.

            Z3 is tiny though

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Tiny is mandatory to hoon in CT.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            wtf you guys pay a shitload in taxes don't you? they can't spare some to widen the roads and paint lines on them?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >"WHY DONTCHA FIX UR ROADS T' LOOK LIKE DA RESTA "MURRICA?"

            We like things the way they are.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >europoors will never rev their V8 to the redline entering the highway after filling up the tank for $40 and grabbing a $4.00 Big Mac and fries

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >tank for $40 and grabbing a $4.00 Big Mac and fries
            TBF we've been israeliteed out of that happening in America probably ever againsknk

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Gas tank depends on area. I usually fill up for around $45 with premium. But I had to fly to Cali for work and the gas there was comically expensive, easily 2x the price of the east coast.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            meanwhile in europe:

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah bro the average euro is driving an 8 cylinder.

            Meanwhile any blue collar worker in the US Can afford a V8 sports car

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            no one cares about your 200hp cuckmobile bro

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            How fitting that the american prefers to be loud and obnoxious as opposed to having an actually good performing car

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I think that's PA

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >gifts & souvenirs in some randome shithole town
            What is there even to buy?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            https://www.50statesouvenirs.com/50-state-souvenirs/pennsylvania-pa/

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            nice tarmac rally course brah

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            R8 is somewhere between a track car and road car. It’s fine for both, could be a little more track friendly imo. It’s really an Audi RS in character but mid engine if you’ve spent time in one. Low NVH but otherwise track friendly but not like a GT3. Not like a turbo though either.

            It’s bigger than a Z3 for sure but it’s not really big feeling. I like Z3s generally speaking. Still look great and pretty fun to drive.

            Nice pick up, R8s have been on my watch list for a long time, which is why I was interested in the S8. Not sure what you think is stupid about my post. You can't just be broad when it comes to models and years of 911s, their options, etc. They're like Honda Civics, they came in a lot of flavors and previous owners all have that same want to get back into that car they owned in the past.

            >Do you feel in charge ?
            In charge of what? lol. I'm watching hockey and bullshitting on the internet. Anon wanted to see my new car, it isn't here yet, so I posted my dead one that's being replaced.

            An S8 is supposed to be as quiet and smooth as possible for the owner to ride in the back seat and trade stocks or whatever business men are supposed to do back there.
            TTRS compete with a Caymen and an RS5 with a 911 and the R8 with the GT3 and Turbo.

            The thread is asking if he should buy a sub $30k 911. The answer is no. Someone here already said they spent $14k just getting their 996 caught up. You have a dead one.

            lol you sound like the moron here and are irrationally angry because I dropped some cash on a car I like

            Have you seen the older air cooled 911s? Have you looked at the interior? literally 1960s tech that was ancient by the time the 996 came around and brought the most iconic sports car into the 21st century

            But “muh fried eggs” lol ok sorry you can’t afford to maintain one

            https://i.imgur.com/JO8E2j4.jpeg

            Both the RS5 and the 911 benefit from the engine being in the wrong place. They get some extra space in the cabin thanks to the ‘bad design’.
            Makes them both better than the M3 and Camaro IMO.

            [...]
            I can’t roll my eyes any harder with stuipid posts like this.

            [...]
            Do you feel in charge ?

            I wouldn’t dedicate the funding to maintain a fried egg 911 (not because of the eggs) becuase there are many better ways to blow big money and go faster and in more comfort.

            If my shit ever gets to that point I'm just going to LS swap it. They're cheap and even more fun. Buy that b***h back from insurance for a discount while getting paid out to do the swap. People that haven't fricked around with cars and insurance for a living don't understand how any of this works, but it all pays for itself, and you make money doing it, especially if you use the money to buy the tools and do it yourself. There are handfulls of cars you can do this with, and 911s are like the bullshit moron easiest way to get into it.

            LS in a Boxster/Cayman requires a lot of firewall cutting and moving the seats forward, the 4.2 fits much nicer and as a bonus it bolts up to the stock transmission and is easier to get to play nice with the existing electronics
            Obviously on a 911 you can just cut some space further back so an LS fits better there

            Not really worth it unless you are capable of redoing the suspension imo. Plenty of silly builds at the track that can’t turn at all.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Not really worth it unless you are capable of redoing the suspension imo.
            For a 4.2 Boxster/Cayman? Shouldn't need a ton of fixing, the engine is all alu so it shouldn't upset the weight balance much and doesn't add a silly amount of power (300-360hp depending on which version you get)

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I like them both tbh. Good heritage and design on the S5/90 and the 911 generally speaking. But you lose 2 inches of kid space which means you’ll be smushed up as far farwaes as the seat will go. I did it in an S5 and it’s not bad. But I don’t think 2 more inches is a small difference here.

            Audi is killing the Coupe, so that shape will be dead going forward.

            Anyway let’s not pretend the 996 is an attractive car. It’s ugly and has all the worst elements of a 90s bubble car.

            >6 years old
            >over 100,000mi
            >still $23,200 and probably needs another $10k or more in deferred maintenance
            kek

            Delusional. 3.0T is in like every Audi on the market and only has a waterpump issue that’s coerced under recall and this one probably has a new water pump paid by Audi in the last 30k miles and only a year or two on it.

            You’re delusional if you think this isn’t a much more comfortable faster and practical buy. DCT, crown diff center, sport diff rear, easy to maintain 3.0T and a modern interior with every option a car can have.

            Or a ratted out 996 from 1997. We’ve been over it. It’s not a good car. Can’t think of one thing it has over the Audi. I guess 6 more Le Mans wins for the badge?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Or a ratted out 996 from 1997
            Nobody is arguing about the early gen cars, they're crap. That 3.6L six speed is a great car to drive. DCT is fricking garbage, and another reason I didn't get the S8. You can't go from first gen Miatas, wishbone Hondas, etc. and feel any connection to the driving experience of something as lame as these 'luxury' cars. They're boring as frick to drive.

            scoot! : )

            The cub is my kid's, it's the only auto I own. The other motorcycles are all 60's Hondas, but they're in storage.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            996 was a coupe and it wasn't too difficult, had to be forward facing though. 997 is a vert, so it's going to be super easy.

            Bread on dash or its a fried egg boxster and you are LARPing

            It's still in Cali, if this thread is still up later this week I'll post with some bagels or english muffins or something. The sourdough I ordered today was out of stock.

            you can't tell me the 911 doesnt look infinitely better than the s5 here

            The thing with the 911s is that they came in some many subtle different versions, and a lot of the body work among same generations is exchangable. That's what I loved about my 996, the GT2 kit looks fricking awesome on that car with a drop and wheels.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The 997.1 has the Mezger engine

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Clueless frick

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            At least elaborate before getting all pissy

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It's in the GT3s, not the Carreras. The S model 997s have a 3.8L, different exhaust, and some other things for some more power.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Turbos have them too, which is the one you want

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            One other thing to consider is insurance. I was shopping basically anything between $30-50k that had a back seat. I was debating between the 997.2 C4S and a 2016 S8 Plus. Love the S8, and that sled has over 600 hp stock. Fricking insurance was twice as much as the 911. That shit adds up, and Audis and BMWs are notorious for their electrical gremlins and general maintenace costs.

            Yeah, but we weren't really talking the turbo cars, just the NA ones.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Only Turbos, Gt2s and GT3s got Mezger engines during the 996 and 997 gens

            996 and 997.1 Carreras are all M96/M97 time bombs

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I thought the entire thesis of this thread was that base model porsches are good value? That they’re “heckin’ awesome” as you zoomers say was a foregone conclusion by the OP.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            i don't see "value" anywhere in the op

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            > Plenty of 911s and Caymans for under 30k USD

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            https://www.autotempest.com/results?make=porsche&zip=10021&localization=country&maxprice=30000&transmission=man&bodystyle=coupe

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            ?????????? DAMN WTF
            coastoids DO NOT suffer

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Ah frick that's doug's bid site nevermind thats probably double the price at the end

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            https://www.autotempest.com/results?make=porsche&zip=10021&localization=country&maxprice=30000&transmission=man&bodystyle=coupe

            Looks like they’re even cheaper now. A cayman s used to be $22k.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Better off with a lightly modded BRZ

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I mean, that’s about the price of a ised brz.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            And the BRZ is a better buy

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            that means they're in op's price bracket, doesn't mean they're good value
            just because i can afford to eat steak dinner everyday doesn't mean i think they're good value

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            yes. Now do you understand the worth “thesis”? OP was asking if these cars are a good value, since they’re cheap and he seems to like Porsches.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            no, op was asking if there are reasons why he shouldn't buy one
            it's literally the first sentence

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous
          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I guess the 35i specifically is just horribly overpriced here (cheapest I can find is around 15k), 28i and 30i start between 5-10k)

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            yeah, $12k for a manual 228i with 100k miles. $10k for an automatic. My m235i was perfectly reliable and made great power, the steering sucked, the manual transmission was ok, and the clutch has a stupid delay valve. The flywheel is way too heavy (good for beginners, but unnecessary. no real negative from a drivability standpoint). Other than that, they’re good cars.
            If I did it all over again I wouldn’t buy one because of the electronic steering (lack of) feel. But if you can get over that, a 228i with weight loss seems more fun than the 6 cylinder turbo. Apparently the 4 cylinder is less reliable on pre-2015 models, not sure on how it compares after that.
            The 6 cylinder is great on the highway and most of america, but I lived in a hilly area and sometimes went to the mountains, and that’s where you feel the big engine hanging over the front.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            embarrassing.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            inb4 he goes from "it's got mcdondalds it's le shit at le track!!" to "le track times don't matter!!"

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            inb4 he goes from "it's got mcdondalds it's le shit at le track!!" to "le track times don't matter!!"

            Bro I don’t think you get what I’m fricking saying. A 135i is a decade and half newer car for around $10k. And you can tune it safely to 330-380hp with no mods.
            When people b***h about that engines flaws it’s the $600 water pump job not the 4 ways the engine will grenade and the rebuild from the pro is $20k but the random shop in Chicago might do it for $15k.

            It has an interior that’s better quality than the new bmw interior. It has Bluetooth music and a good stereo. And it costs less.

            1 second lap time? The 135i came stock with awful Continental all seasons bmw was using then. The 911 bad bespoke Michelin summers.

            Both cars on Michelin PS4s and that’s not looking good for the Porsche. Owner drops a $200 flash on his 135i? Not a contest. I didn’t even choose the car randomly. I seen it on track with my own eyes.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            you dumb ass fricking Black person, the m135i clocked that time on michelin pilot super sports

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Based advice. Just cured me of any desire to get a porsche. Now to convince the wife that that she doesn’t want that panamera I showed her ($10k so I thought it would be ok since I can afford the maintenance, but it really is a piece of shit).

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The early panamera are meh and have a lot of weird electrical issues, not bad but I’d expect $2k a year in maintenance. Not bad but again, what’s it got that an A6 or 540i don’t got.

          https://i.imgur.com/vWWfvny.png

          the porsche? yeah. Not sure on the 135i, but I’d take a clapped out 135i for $5k over a clapped out porsche for $20k any day.
          Looks like $7k for a 135i in the US with double the mileage. I don’t think japan got a lot of 135is though; lots of 128i cars though for cheap.
          [...]
          If you’re in america, I think m235i and 228i prices make more sense. I’d go for the 4 cylinder tbh, my m235i felt way too front heavy.

          Not bad advice. The m sport kit is the most improtsnt thing. Still the N55 is a good engine that will have you going as fast as anyone at a PCA event.

          [...]
          [...]
          No one was arguing that the Porsche is good value though. The point of contention was that base models are le heckin awesome.
          Still, I wouldn't be caught dead in a beemer.

          If you remove the badges and the ‘prestige’ and take your vanity out of the equation there isn’t a thing in a 996/997.1 that makes it a great buy today.

          Keep in mind before Covid you could get these for $15-25k.

          For some reason the corvette and the 911 went insane price wise and it’s only now starting to inch back to ‘normal’.

          The other consideration is that a Camaro, an Audi, BMW, Mercedes, Cadillac all share platforms and parts with SUVs so these companies can sell more cars at volume with lower markup per car and be profitable. That’s good for the consumer.

          An Audi S5 has multilink suspension, a sport diff, a 360hp engine (easily tuned to 440 btw), state of the art AWD, a modern comfortable leather coated interior, and meme aside is a reliable car.

          Go look up a 911 C2. It’s a rip off bro. I like them. But we’re talking about people who are under 45 years old and simply can’t reasonably shit away money on a car.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Current year base model starts at $160k, before mark up. Picking up a clean 997.2 for a quarter of that is a very logical thing to do, and they're not going to ever come back down in price. Look at the 993s, they used to be 'cheap' too.

            You could've bought a much better car for that money if you were willing to look past that red and yellow shield

            A car without MACDONALDS suspension

            A car with an actually good looking, well built interior

            A car with actual power

            A car with an engine that doesn't have multiple fatal design flaws that WILL cause it to grenade

            That badge is an investment moron.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            We're not talking about a 997 (where they fixed the interior) or 997.2 (where they fixed the engine design flaws) here, this moron blew 29k in total on a base model 996

            There is NOTHING redeeming about a base model 996 and even just the other German brands offer vastly superior alternatives in that price range

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The 996 is more refined than a Boy Racer S3 or the rawness of a 3 series.
            And let's not get into the horrendous turbo lag of the S5.

            That you would suggest a Camaro shows you know absolutely nothing about cars.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >996 is more refined

            Are you moronic? You think McDonald’s strut from 1996 is more ‘refined’ than double wishbone on all 4 with active dampers and multiple steering settings, multiple throttle maps, an integrated ECU TCS and TCU, state of the art AWD, modern computers, and a heated steering wheel?

            Buddy it’s been TWENTY YEARS since the last 996 was sold but 30 since it was developed ON A BUDGET TO BE MADE AS CHEAP AS POSSIBLE!

            BMW, Audi, Mercedes, corvette, Tesla and every other brand is tuning their cars on the nurbrugring dude. It’s not voodoo or a secret.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >burger king
            Opinion discarded

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            993s are classic cars that have excellent design and engineering and are fun to drive and also have become a fashion statement for rich guys to use on date night and also to hide investments in.

            The 996 is objectively ugly inside and out and the engine really requires one of those Jack Raby $30k rebuilds. But then…. Why the frick would spend $50k on a 996 when you could get a handsome car with much better suspension and more power? And modern interior so you don’t make a girl cringe when she sees those nasty 90s poverty plastic interior.

            The 996 will always be unwanted. It’s the Cheapest 911 for a reason. It’s not going back up. The 997 went up but that’s because they are rare due to the financial crisis, and because the headlights are actually attractive. The engines are worse than the 996 and they grenade so the already low quantity is getting lower all the time.

            The 997.2 has a much better reputation and isn’t a big fat computer like the current era. So that will be the model rich people are into.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            993s look like shit mate you need to get your eyes checked

            Out of all of the German (really euro in general) cars, they're one of the most reliable. That's why insurance is so cheap on them.

            boxsters still have higher insurance than 911s though just solely for the 2 seats

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I bought a 2001 986 S with low miles. It's a bit creaky, but a lot of fun, including on the track. IMS and RMS were done by the previous owner. How fricked am I when it comes to bore scoring?
        >inb4/"fried eggs"
        I don't mind them, but I'll eventually do a DIY HID replacement which involves putting the lights into an oven to unseal them.

        How fricked am I?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Just drive the wheels off of it. If it sucks oil then the bores are fricked, but if you drive it hard, it should correct that and let the rings bed in. None of these cars are going down in value.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Keep an eye on the injectors, if they start leaking it washes oil off the cylinder walls and that's obviously not good for the bores
          When it does blow up, put a 1.8T or 4.2 in it

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >1.8T
            The VW I4?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yes
            https://rennlist.com/forums/boxster-and-boxster-s-986-forum/1149877-1-8t-boxster.html

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            frick's sake, now I'm going to research this motor platform. Saw he mentioned the diesel as well? That might be fun, usually a diesel can take some boost.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The aftermarket for the 1.8T is massive and the engines were built in huge numbers so they're cheap, you can get pretty serious power out of them
            If you want to go nuts the 2.7TT is basically its V6 sibling, heavier and more expensive though
            And then there's the option of the 4.2 V8 too, all alu so it's actually lighter than the V6 and makes anywhere between 300hp and 360hp stock

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            That's neat. Didn't realize that those motors were basically bolt in with minor work. Saw the Canadian guy that did the K-swap (great motors), and I've seen the LS-swap, which is what I would likely go with just because they're basically drop in bulletproof with a baffled pan, light and small.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            LS in a Boxster is sub-optimal as it requires chopping out the firewall and moving the seats forward, the 4.2 is a much cleaner fit if you want a V8 and it bolts straight up to the stock transaxle to boot
            LS makes more sense in a 911, where it's just intruding into the rear bumper area

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >LS makes more sense in a 911
            That's what I have, 997.2 C4S. If the engine goes I was thinking LS6 or similar, not sure about the newer V8s, but I'm sure someone is working on it if it's not already done. A flat plane Coyote engine in a 911 would probably confuse a lot of people just hearing it.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            In theory an LT will fit anywhere an LS will, but they're direct injection which complicates things, but then again the 9A1 also is a DI engine so the fuel system is designed around that already
            You don't really have to worry about a 9A1 blowing up out of the blue though, they eliminated all the major flaws of the M96/M97 family on those

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah, that's a big reason I was shopping for the later models with that engine, figure it was basically future proofed, and still be very desirable in the far future from purists to hot rodders then that will be using the last gas engines, and all of them will likely be DI.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Saw the Canadian guy that did the K-swap
            Tuning by Nick? Did he ever do a Boxster?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Might be, was a couple of years ago. Think it was turbo charged, and I think filmed at night? Pretty sure it was a 911 either a 996 or 997 as I was researching the bore scoring stuff at the time and looking at options, but never had any issues with my car.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          One theory goes that the bigger the bore the thinner the wall of the block and there is a cooling weak spot on and it exmaonds and contracts with heat cycles and thus the bigger displacement the sooner an issue occurs.

          The 98 Boxster is least likely to have it and the 2008 C2S is most likely.
          Easiest way to detect is you’ll see soot from just one of the tailpipes. Or little smoke puff on start up.

          The other theory is the fuel injectors leak into the cylinder and when you start the car it will burn and you’ll get some smoke.

          A British mechanic who rebuilt many of these engines told me when I was shopping for C2Ss that contrary to convention you need to run these harder on start up and get the oil hot quickly.

          Take that for what it’s worth. Also many put the GT3 AOS in too to help. That’s probably a good call as they always fail anyway.

          You have the car. If I had one I would put in MoMo seats and wheel and a stereo and Bikstein l club sports and 100% a new thicker rear sway.

          I like the fried eggs on green ones if it makes you feel better.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The affected engines are the 2004+ M96/97 with forged pistons, which have a hard plastic liner (yes, plastic) that trap particles that come off of the cylinders because the lokasil coatings are shit, and cause the scoring. The iron pistons that the car was originally designed to use don't cause that problem, probably because the particles get embedded in the piston instead. Absolute shit engine. I think you can sleeve it and use aftermarket forged pistons that won't cause the issue but why bother

      The 997.2/987.2 generation MA1 engine doesn't have any of those problems. From what I know they're very reliable cars for the most part, although if you get a PDK version you'll have to install an additional transmission oil cooler. It's crazy how manual adds $20k to the car's value even though Porsche shifters from that era really aren't that good. Supposedly upgrading the cables and bushings with GT3 shit helps but I've never driven a car with that done

      One nice thing about owning a Porsche is that the community is full of hyperautismo engineers so you will never ever have a parts or knowledge availability problem. If you can, buy a car with full maintenance recordsoff of Rennlist or BaT, it's a lot better than buying it off of some cheeseass used car lot

      >we sold a lot of Boxsters with dying engines and we’d conceal the “lifter noise” (actually the sound of pistons slapping around in oval bores) by filling the crankcase with heavy duty diesel engine oil.
      wtf

      lot lizards gotta eat too

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >pdk needs an extra cooler

        It’s on when Nintendo does it. just reinforces the idea that the 911 C2 is aimed at the same level as an A4 55 or 440i.

        Not a bad thing but the cost of the 911 isn’t worth it in comparison. You’re not getting a better car. Maybe a better image?

        Idk. M4 or RS5 or C63 or CT4 or Corvette Z51 do not have these shortcomings and all cost less is all I’m saying.

        Porsche gonna do what they do and continue to have the highest margins in the business. Not my problem because I bought stock and not a 911.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >It’s on when Nintendo does it
          nah, Porsche/ZF added the third transmission cooler to the transmission for 2011+, and should have retrofitted them onto earlier models. I've heard if you track a PDK 981 in hot weather you'll want to upgrade the transmission cooling. dunno about 991
          >You’re not getting a better car
          it's a different car, although I think past the 997.2 it's become too bloated. The 997.2 is a great, great driver's car. It's not the fastest in any trim, but the feel is second to none. Comparing that car (or any 911) to something like a 135i or A4 is just moronic
          >M4 or RS5 or C63 or CT4 or Corvette Z51 do not have these shortcomings
          they have different ones
          >Porsche gonna do what they do and continue to have the highest margins in the business
          yup, they make over $100k on the sale of every 911 Turbo. more power to them for that

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        This.

        They are not. You are ignorant. Learn to take good advice when it’s in front of you.

        Or find out the hard way I don’t care.

        If you want to maintain a slow unreliable poorly designed car go ahead. It will eat you alive.

        [...]
        Well a 997.2 is also significantly more expensive than a 997.1 and 996 (for a very good reason).

        A 135i is like $10k? 330hp, good brakes, good stereo and a good steering rack and manageable maintenance.

        >Well a 997.2 is also significantly more expensive than a 997.1 and 996 (for a very good reason).
        Agreed, but if you can't afford one I'd still say go for a clean 996 or 997.1. They're great cars despite how dismal the interior is on the 996, lots of fun to drive with some mods.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >we’d conceal the “lifter noise” (actually the sound of pistons slapping around in oval bores) by filling the crankcase with heavy duty diesel engine oil.
      most honest dealership in america

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Buy the car, then spend as much as the purchase price in 5 years of maintenance. Whatever you think your payment is going to be, double it and put the other half away for repairs.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Look up how much a disc + brake pad replacement costs, a new water pump, tires and the myriad of sensors all over the car, not to mention the labor cost that's going to be three times as high as it would be on any normal car.

    Used Porsches are cheap for a reason

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    cheap ones are either tiptronic or have been molested by drift kids

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If you're throwing "plenty of 911s and caymans" into the same bag probably means you have no idea about ims issues and the nature of bore scoring in M9x versus MA1 engines.

    https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=&t=1752333

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    911s usually hold their value really well, even base models, so if I saw one for this low of a price, I'd be immediately suspicious because it means that the owner wants to get rid of it quick

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They're great cars. I daily'd a 996 for years, maintenance is minimal. Did some upgrades like wheels, suspension, GT3 short shifter and cables, etc. Just bought an 09 C4S, they're basically bulletproof. Insurance is cheap on them too.
    Unlike everything else, 911s just go up in price with age.
    t. former NSX owner

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >they aren't going down in value
    not buying your ticking timebomb, rennlist cultist

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Just wreck the fricker, insurance pays out current market value. Upgrade.

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Nissan Altima, or any Kia. If you have money, lease a base spec high series Merc.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Reasons why a KIA would be the car that would give me the image I'm looking for?

      And which Kia model would be the most suitable for me?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        No idea, I don't shop Black person tier crap.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          don't use the N word please

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I meant it as defined, not as a slur or in a racist way.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            (You)

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Do you mean Black person? There are a lot of words that start with N.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Ninja turtle? You have meltdown or something?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >exclusively driven by people who know nothing about cars
        >cheap to purchase, favorable dealer incentives & warranty
        >lots of surface area for political bumper stickers
        >a favorite steal for the melanin-enriched
        Only the finest Sorento will do

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    frick outta my thread bro i recognize you as that moron costa rican from DA who asks what city would be best to move to

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Lmao at rice Black folk in this thread comparing their 86 shitboxes to Porsches.

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    buy a 981 boxster / cayman S
    >last of the 6cyl (that aren't $100k)
    >90% as fun for 30% the price
    >10yr old cars are cheap now
    >can be serviced by any mechanic that knows what they're doing

    I fricking love my 981S. Best decision I ever made buying this thing, and yes obviously some parts are more expensive because it's a Porsche. We're not here to pinch pennies, we're here to have maximum fun/dollar

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Can't afford that unfortunately

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I have a 996. Haters are just mad they can’t afford it. Yes, you have to budget for costly repairs. But if you address the IMS issue and check for bore scoring, they’re quite reliable for 20+ year old performance cars, and still very fun to drive

    I bought mine for $14k in 2020, immediately put $15k into repairs/deferred maintenance, and it hasn’t needed anything else other than oil changes and brake pads. And I did the gundo hack, which sounds great

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >gundo hack
      That's a neat trick, I'll have to do that to mine. Did it increase the exhaust fumes? I just watched a video on it and the 'after' example looked like it was considerably smokey.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >spend $30k on a fried egg 911

      Dude why. Why would you do this? It’s the worst interior in the history of Porsche. It’s the worst engine in the history of Porsche. It has NO POWER. It has MCDONALDS suspension. From 1998.
      It can’t turn. If can’t run. It’s ugly. And you spent twice the value of the car on it?

      Why would you do this? Get a 135i. Get an M3. Get a current year S5. Get a 240i. Get a Camaro.

      You had to have a Porsche badge didn’t you?

      Now you’re going to have to drive around the worst 911 of all time for a decade to fix that financial moron move. And no matter what you do it will have fried eggs and 300hp and an engine that is trying to kill itself in about 6 different ways every time you use it.

      Sorry dude. Best hope now is to go full mono interior and a cool wrap and get rid of those foggy brown headlights and try to make it look new. That’s only what? $4k more?

      Yikes bro. I like Porsche but dude. Got to realize there is a point where you have to just save your shekels longer.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It's literally the best gen.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >worst interior in the history of Porsche
        Have you seen the interiors in previous Porsches?
        >worst engine in the history of Porsche
        Have you seen the engines in previous Porsches?
        >NO POWER
        Have you seen the power numbers in previous Porsches?
        >MCDONALDS suspension
        Have you seen the MacPherson suspensions in previous Porsches?
        >no matter what you do
        it will be a Porsche

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You could've bought a much better car for that money if you were willing to look past that red and yellow shield

          A car without MACDONALDS suspension

          A car with an actually good looking, well built interior

          A car with actual power

          A car with an engine that doesn't have multiple fatal design flaws that WILL cause it to grenade

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >6 years old
        >over 100,000mi
        >still $23,200 and probably needs another $10k or more in deferred maintenance
        kek

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          People arguing for the lower sticker priced junk like that end up taking it on the chin with maintenance and insurance (uber and rentals add up quick too). These other cars don't hold value at all, and people won't want them in 10 years. A nicely spec'd 911 will always be desirable. I spent a week shopping the entire US for mine.

          993s look like shit mate you need to get your eyes checked
          [...]
          boxsters still have higher insurance than 911s though just solely for the 2 seats

          >boxsters still have higher insurance than 911s though just solely for the 2 seats
          That makes sense I guess, and they're also cheaper, so I'd expect more of them to be out in the wild, and thus just by the numbers they're involved in more accidents.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        lol you sound like the moron here and are irrationally angry because I dropped some cash on a car I like

        Have you seen the older air cooled 911s? Have you looked at the interior? literally 1960s tech that was ancient by the time the 996 came around and brought the most iconic sports car into the 21st century

        But “muh fried eggs” lol ok sorry you can’t afford to maintain one

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Shouldn't need much maintenance. I just did oil changes (only expensive vs other cars because it takes like an hour to drain unless you're doing it yourself (it's easy, do it)) and brakes and tires. IMS with the clutch. 911s if driven are super reliable.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        If someone is asking for an alternative to a Porsche, don't recommend a pigfat Audi

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >muh fried eggs
    Just buy covers, fixed. I had GT2 kit on my car, looked great.

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Get a 986, they are the GOAT machine. Nothing else is worthwhile.

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    *997.2

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I'd go with a 2009 or up Boxster, especially if it's your first Porsche. By 2009 they've removed the IMS bearing entirely and the bore scoring is far less of an issue. You can also probably prevent it if it hasn't started yet by adding ceratek every 3 oil changes. I live in a rich area and the most common sports car I ever see is a Porsche, so there must be something to their reliability.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Out of all of the German (really euro in general) cars, they're one of the most reliable. That's why insurance is so cheap on them.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, that seems likely.
        I went with a Mercedes-Benz SL550 though because I like financial pain and really cushy suspensions.

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    A cheap bore scored but otherwise clean 987.1 to do pic related with is a bit of a dream project for me tbh

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      If my shit ever gets to that point I'm just going to LS swap it. They're cheap and even more fun. Buy that b***h back from insurance for a discount while getting paid out to do the swap. People that haven't fricked around with cars and insurance for a living don't understand how any of this works, but it all pays for itself, and you make money doing it, especially if you use the money to buy the tools and do it yourself. There are handfulls of cars you can do this with, and 911s are like the bullshit moron easiest way to get into it.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        LS in a Boxster/Cayman requires a lot of firewall cutting and moving the seats forward, the 4.2 fits much nicer and as a bonus it bolts up to the stock transmission and is easier to get to play nice with the existing electronics
        Obviously on a 911 you can just cut some space further back so an LS fits better there

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, 997, probably an LS7 crate motor unless something pops up between now and then that is just as fun in a smaller package.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I've seen a few videos from a couple of guys who developed a 2.7TT conversion kit for the 996 (and presumably 997), that's a cool option too

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >2.7TT
            From what? It's just nice having the option to go with a high powered lightweight I4 or a V8, and still have room for turbos if you want. There's a fair amount of room in there if you get creative.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            B5 S4/RS4 block, basically the V6 version of the ubiquitous 1.8T

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        if you were smart, you would sell the engine before it takes an shit and funds should cover one of many swaps that will work.

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Just for the love of god don't get a 996. Those fricking fried egg headlights are fricking disgusting. Actually if you're just a young dude with no skills in maintenance then you should get one so you can expedite the death of one more ugly-ass 996

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    996<981<718<997<992<991

    At least for modern porsches

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      992 and 991 are fat

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Get something with a blown engine for next to nothing and K swap it

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    some homies really be acting like older aircooled 911s didn't come with literal ww2 torsion bar suspensions, or that aircooling itself was just a cope for not being able to engineer a watercooling system that didn't freeze in the winter

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Don't care they're still cool

  31. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    We will wait.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Last week it was synthetic gas. Keep in mind that Porsche currently makes the fastest EV to go around the Nurburgring, it's also the fastest 4 door sedan as well

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >EV 4 door sedan
        no

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous
          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            souless junk

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            But another man treasure

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The RS3 beat that by like 20 seconds and the M5.

            The Taycan is just the EV record

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I think you may be moronic

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            ...sorry it was 15 seconds not 25........

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The RS3 beat that by like 20 seconds and the M5.

            The Taycan is just the EV record

            >RS3's 7 minute 40 second laptime is faster than the Taycan's 7 minute 7 second laptime
            I know that DA is filled with illiterate SEA monkey's but this is a bit much

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I didn’t realize the Taycan had a new model I kneel

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            oh, right the 240k car is worth consdiering

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        So what? If you haven't noticed, people who make pretty shitty and or cheap cars win in F1.
        Ford
        Renault
        Honda

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          We're talking production cars

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        4 door sedan but the rear seats are taken out and replaced with electronics

  32. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What about the older air cooled ones. Those can’t be too bad to keep up with and can’t you buy a s/c for roughly what you can get a 996 for?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Are aircooled Beetles reliable?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        From what I've heard yeah. But really only spoken to owners who are probably gonna be a hair biased.

        Still worth noting that a good few of them are still on the road all these years later so that at least says something

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Aircooled Beetles are not reliable, they're just easy to fix

          Aircooled Porsches are that, but more annoying and way more expensive

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Can you still basically build a beetle from the ground up? I remember a few years ago you could still basically buy everything for one new from VW

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            But, way cooler. There is a reason they hold their value so well. They're poster cars for multiple generations.

  33. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Money, and if you don't know how to drive manual RWD cars you'll end up dead/in a ditch.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      well I wouldn't hoon it without learning obviously

  34. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You should buy one.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      mirin

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yearly maintenance costs?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      gott dayum wat fricking nepo job did daddy give you to get a car like that?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Some of us have jobs.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous
        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Post your Lange

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            That’s not me.

  35. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I’m in the same boat. Seriously considering finding a 911 for around 30 and just keeping it. Save for the obvious vette don’t really know of any better options

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I tried to buy three 997s last week that were in that price range and they were bought up real quick. $40k+ and 997.2 is what I'd shop.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        #

        Yeah. That’s what I’m debating just raising the budget for a 997.2. My only concern would be do I fear bore scoring enough to justify the leap.

        New motor/resleeved rebuild is about 20 and the difference between a used 996 and a used 997 is about 20. Personally the headlights don’t turn me off thaaat much it’d the grenading that scares me.

        Then there’s also the fact that for 40-50 I could pick up a decent s/c and that’s air cooled. But I’ve yet to play around with those yet to know if they’re worth that crazy price

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Can't you buy 997.1 turbos for that price

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Cheapest Turbo is a 996 and you're lucky if you find one under 50k these days

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I wish! Maybe 996 turbos you could pick up for around that price. The whole market is FRICKED rn. Wish I had got mine before the whole world decided to quad the price of any half interesting cars

            Damn there are still some 997 turbos for 40k in the UK

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            They're either beat to shit or about to be flipped on BAT

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I wish! Maybe 996 turbos you could pick up for around that price. The whole market is FRICKED rn. Wish I had got mine before the whole world decided to quad the price of any half interesting cars

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The 997.2 pretty much fixed everything, and with them being declared as the 'last analog Porsche' I don't see them going down in value. Insurance is cheap on them too,

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah. It ticks me off how much they’ve slowly disregarded one of the key things that makes the 911 appealing.

            Replacing it with complex tech that’s impossible to fix and an engine bay you literally can’t access from the “hood”

            The long term drivers car you wrench on yourself is dying in real time

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It's a good chassis. Plenty of aftermarket support, most of the kinks worke out, etc.
            I own a fleet of 90's Japanese cars, and 911s are kinda similar, you do the basic maintenace on them and they run forever.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Air cooled is the way to go dude.

          https://i.imgur.com/AC8bTfm.jpeg

          You should buy one.

          Be honest. Did you get a loan on this when they were giving away the loans and now the value tanked by $59k?

          Cool car. But it’s also a meme right now because of the Covid loans making poor gays able to buy them.

          Still. A real Porsche on DA. We finally got someone who we can’t NARP at

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Cool car. But it’s also a meme right now because of the Covid loans making poor gays able to buy them.
            What are you talking about? Is this some new form of cope? Even with a decent rate you'd still be paying over $4k a month...

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Why air cooled out of curiosity? I mean I know they’re good but I struggle to still see them justifying the INSANE asking prices I’m seeing

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            see

            https://i.imgur.com/WkF9fE5.jpeg

            some homies really be acting like older aircooled 911s didn't come with literal ww2 torsion bar suspensions, or that aircooling itself was just a cope for not being able to engineer a watercooling system that didn't freeze in the winter

            it's just faux nostalgia copenseethen

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            They’ve moved into collector status and are now seen as assets for rich people to store money.

            As for the actual car. They’re classy and fun to drive. Slow though. Always sad at track day blowing by them.

            Still, financially it’s a no brainer. And it’s a fun drive.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Still, financially it’s a no brainer. And it’s a fun drive.
            That's the thing that people who aren't familiar with these cars tend to miss. I know I did, and thought that the prices were fricking moronic. Truth is, you can still get parts for them. MKIV Supra? Nope. NA1 or NA2 NSX? Nope. Other than 911s, Miatas are probably the only other car that I'd receommend just because they're cheap and still have plenty of parts (replaceable at least) available.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            If I didn’t have a stupid trophy wife I’d have one. Instead I just watch them go up and up in value wishing she understood finance.

            Trophy wives cost money, friends. Do yourself a favor and buy the car before the wedding.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Or just don't tell them. My ex-wife didn't know of at least four cars I had. All she got in the divorce was the beater daily that I paid like $5k for. New daily is being delivered this weekend.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Buy a newer AMG GT/S, they're total deals right now. Gullwing versions are going for like 5x the price and they're not as fast or fun to drive.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah, that's why I'm considering swapping my A90 Supra MT for a GT4 or some shit. The A90 is already having parts supply problems and it's still supposedly in production. Only thing is that the GT4 is slower

            If I didn’t have a stupid trophy wife I’d have one. Instead I just watch them go up and up in value wishing she understood finance.

            Trophy wives cost money, friends. Do yourself a favor and buy the car before the wedding.

            tf did you get a trophy wife for? She'd better be a dime piece who looks like she could be your daughter and tongues your butthole

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah pretty much that

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            oh that's understandable I'd do the same

  36. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    yo new headlights tho

  37. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  38. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  39. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    There was a newer Cayman that sold on BAT today for like 20k. If I hadn't just bought a 911 I think I would have gone for it, seems like a pretty good deal. I'll see if I can find the listing.

  40. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2006-porsche-cayman-s-211/
    Seems like a pretty good deal, considering:
    https://bringatrailer.com/listing/porsche-987-sport-bucket-seats-2/

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Ah yes, the 250 hp bore scoring machine. Why wouldnt you get a C6 corvette again?

      oh right. you only care about the badge not performance or comfort or reliability

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Remind me again, which manufacturer holds the production car lap record around the Nurburgring?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          that is not relevant to the sub 30k porsche thread

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Neither are Corvettes you Black person

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Mercedes.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >car you can't order

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You think you can just order a GT2 RS?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It's a significantly easier process than ordering an AMG One, your local surgeon probably has one on order meanwhile you need to be a literal F1 driver to order the Merc

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            GT* RS cars are limited production and you're lucky if you get 10 dealer allocations for your entire country, your local surgeon may have a Turbo S on order but a GT* RS is reserved for dealership favorites and oil sheiks

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            GT2 RS is limited run but it's not an oil shiek car lmao

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Have you actually looked around at the used Corvette options? If it's a C7 or newer it's going for 50k and if it's a C6 or older it's been fricked with and clapped out by the previous owner.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        maybe he doesn't want to crash a few yards away from the traffic light

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          instead he'll break down a few yards away from it.

  41. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    And old Boxster or 911 with a blown engine and a swap would be a screaming deal, the chassis is incredibly overengineered but is let down by the dogshit engine

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >chassis is incredibly overengineered
      Don't kid yourself it's McDonald's on all 4 corners, always has been. The only good one is the gt3 rs but it's overpriced and sold exclusively to millionaires. Auto only too.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >mcondalds
        >floppy chassis
        >unreliable
        >ugly
        >no lsd
        It’s ok when Porsche does it.

        I can’t believe my fricking eyeballs on this site sometimes.
        The 996 owner is being smug towards ANY other sports car right now?

        stop reading brochures and start driving

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          M C D O N A L D S
          C
          D
          O
          N
          A
          L
          D
          S

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          That’s the problem brother. I do drive and I don’t like going slow. My car is much better than the NARPs and any true Porsche owner (hint turbo or GT3) would agree.

          I’ll even concede this. Maybe a GTS is a true Porsche. MAYBE. I’m not going to deep dive into the engine upgrades over an S. But if you have a C2 just remember that a mid level BMW of the same year is faster and better equipped and costs less to run.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >any true Porsche owner (hint turbo or GT3) would agree.
            i think they'll just laugh

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            No I don’t think so. Those cost money to get sweetie. I know people who are still waiting for a GT3 after 4 years. I know people waiting 3-4 years for RS’s also by the way.
            Spend any time with these guys at the track and they’re not chasing badge clout they want to buy a car that solves problems they have. A 911 C2 isn’t built for a track as has been explained over and over itt.
            It’s not just a brochure to these people.
            Again, the turbo and GT3 used the metzger for a very good reason. It’s really like a litmus test for who’s a gay and who actually understands cars.

            S/RS Audis don't have McDonald's struts at all and come with world-class AWD and the fantastic sport diff
            M BMWs don't have McDonald's struts and keep setting the benchmark for 4-door handling
            Even the fricking Corvette back when it used leaf springs at least had the decency to pair them with double bones on all 4 corners
            All these can be had for much less than a base 911 and are objectively much better cars

            This is all true. An Audi S5 has a DCT, a sport diff, industry leading suspension on all 4, the best AWD system on the market, the 3.0T is the fricking basis for the V8 in the 963 too btw adm has more power then the C2.
            Talk about being a stupid fsggot. There is one for sale, a 2018 so latest and greatest for $21k near me. And by the way even an A4 has brake vectoring and better suspension than a C2.
            An M235i is 2 aluminum control arms and forged pistons from an M2.
            You want to spend your money wisely stop looking at badges and look at the actual car is and decide.

            If you have an old C2, I’m not dogging you. If you want to buy a C2? Don’t be a moron and give some boomer $20k for a car that woudl have been scrapped if it didn’t have the magic badge on it.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >No I don’t think so
            didn't you just cope right here?

            Air cooled is the way to go dude.

            [...]
            Be honest. Did you get a loan on this when they were giving away the loans and now the value tanked by $59k?

            Cool car. But it’s also a meme right now because of the Covid loans making poor gays able to buy them.

            Still. A real Porsche on DA. We finally got someone who we can’t NARP at

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Im lost. Do you own a GT3? Or do you own a broken 911 that doesn’t have the ability to move

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >turbo
            mcdonalds

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            more like
            >every 911 except the latest GT3 and a couple of full on race cars
            mcdonalds

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Thats embarrassing if true. Truly.

            Will one of you 996/986 owning morons be a sport and get an ‘ImLuvnIt’ vanity plate?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            every road going 911 other than the gt1 and 992 gt3 has had mcdonalds up front
            every single one, including turbos, gt3s and gt2s

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            chèque'd

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Grim. I guess Porsche has no incentive to change since literally none of the NARP gays even know what an LSD is and it’s mostly women buying C2/C2S new.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            the really funny part is the easiest narps to put an lsd in are base model 5 speed boxster/caymans
            because guess what, they use audi transmissions

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >My car
            Post it

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Stop responding to shitty b8

  42. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >gt3 console delete
    That looks really good. Was planning on doing something similar with my Miata. Is there something like this available for the 997.2?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      there is a factory radio/pcm delete (picrel) - but you'd have to relocate the hvac controls and fab up a panel to get a similar effect. never seen it done even on trackcars.
      i know im in the minority, but i prefer the simple horizontal slab dash without a console like all previous 911s to the 'improved' 997+ dashes.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I think I'll just get the suncoast cf side pieces. On their site now adding parts to the cart. Any upgrades you'd recommend for a 997? I really want the door pulls but the car is a vert and apparently they're different. Get little stuff like door guards, rock guards, tow-hook plate mount, etc.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          eu-spec aspherical side mirror glass to get rid of blindspots
          oem frunk liner for fluid spills if you transport used oil/etc. no trash pickup where i live, so i stuff trashbags in mine and it keeps it clean
          durametric dongle for code reading, service/airbag resets, disable warning chimes, and disable pasm if going coilovers
          gt3 spec alignment if you're ok with exchanging some wear/tramlining for better turn in
          locate and extend the emergency frunk + engine lid releases. jumpbox to the fusebox in the driver footwell will open them if the battery dies - but if the actuator dies you'll be happy to have an easy to access emergency release.
          phone mounts: proclip is best, iottie itap 2 mounts in cd tray but can come loose, rennline is solid but mounts too low.
          (for 996 the mount made by rennlist user yaz is the best)

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous
          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            https://i.imgur.com/AIkFAhD.jpeg

            Thanks anon. It should be here tomorrow or the next day and I'll see what all has already been added to it then and submit another order. Previous two owners were pretty meticulous about maintenance and from the pictures I could see some nice additions alread (pretty sure those liners you're talking about for the trunk are in there, and it has a Porsche owner's manual).

            >mcondalds
            >floppy chassis
            >unreliable
            >ugly
            >no lsd
            It’s ok when Porsche does it.

            I can’t believe my fricking eyeballs on this site sometimes.
            The 996 owner is being smug towards ANY other sports car right now?

            They're designed to be normie friendly anon, and they're highly customizable. Most of the known 'bugs' have already been addressed by either using factory GT3 parts or aftermarket. Despite muh bore scoring if you actually drive the fricking thing instead of just starting up and letting it idle for 20 minutes a month, they're just about bullet proof.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            S/RS Audis don't have McDonald's struts at all and come with world-class AWD and the fantastic sport diff
            M BMWs don't have McDonald's struts and keep setting the benchmark for 4-door handling
            Even the fricking Corvette back when it used leaf springs at least had the decency to pair them with double bones on all 4 corners
            All these can be had for much less than a base 911 and are objectively much better cars

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Pigfat shitters
            Enjoy your higher insurance and maintenance costs.

            if you were smart, you would sell the engine before it takes an shit and funds should cover one of many swaps that will work.

            If the engine starts going, if you don't know how to replace it for free then you're moronic.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            those pigfat shitters will still smoke your hopped up beetle on any track

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Cars don't have McDonald's struts, their owners do. The McDonald's strut is one of those things that aren't super easy to define but you know it when you spot it. It's rare to see it in Porsche owners, they tend to be fitbros. The McDonald's strut is that "I'm too fat to walk normally but too proud to move around in a mobility scooter" gait. I mostly associate it with Black folk in Escalades but Audis certainly lean heavier into the McDonald's strut stereotype than Porsches could ever do. The fact that so many current Porsche guys were once Saab guys only tips the scales (heh) further away from the McDonald's strut.

  43. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Hmmm is there a GT3 spec published some where? What about the sways and damping? C2 needs a new rear sway badly, esp on a 996.
    And my Audi would take a big fat dump on your fried eggs. Been to many PCA events and proven it.
    179k miles? Love it. Keep it going.
    However, $15k for parts on a 290hp wet noodle chassis with McDonald’s and a shitty interior. Not worth it. Steel got so much better between 1997 and 2009.
    Just get a 2013 135i and tune it to 380 and you have spent less for more. It’s better at every single appointment.
    Can get an A4 to 400hp easily and the chassis is about as ‘sporty’ as a C2. And it has multi link on all 4 and AWD.
    Porsche had to change its model for the 996 and that meant making a car for women to drive their dogs in. The last C2 owner I met was a 50 year old dink with with sunglasses to match her C2. It has what? 350 hp? The current one?

    S5 / 440i / C2
    RS5 / M4 / GTS
    That’s a fact. Porsche doesn’t have magic voodoo that nobody else has. In fact all three companies tune the cars on the same track.
    And an Audi understeers because the engine is on the front axle. Audi has engineered around this flaw about as well as can be done.
    Porsche understeers because the engine is behind the rear axle. It steals weight and therefore traction from the turning wheels. It has the additional flaw of snap oversteer if you don’t know what you are doing (computuerd on 996 on save the normies). Porsche has engineered around this as well as well as can be done but 911 will always be understeer and oversteer prone because of its design. It’s fundamentally flawed like the Audis are. It’s not anything a good driver can’t manage in either car. But BMWs don’t have the issue. Corvettes either.
    996/997.1 are about 30% overpriced since Covid and it will not stay that way forever. They are coming down just like the corvettes are.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      search rennlist for 'Kussmaul' for a baseline track alignment - you can then find gt3 ride height measurement locations in the service manual.
      im on 'cheap' Feal coilovers w/ stock swaybars and adjustable lower arms to correct rear camber
      >135i and tune it to 380 ... spent less for more
      had one @ 450whp (and every m3 generation up to e90). not concerned about money and already have a e46m3 trackcar
      i went into ownership knowing all the 996 flaws and specifically waited until i found an already resleeved/rebuilt engine. paid $17k for one that had a $20k rebuild a year prior
      i just like unbalanced feel of rear engine on curvy country roads ~45mph
      >drive their dogs in
      honestly why i bought mine (picrel). wanted a fun beater my dog could tear up, throw trash in, less complexity the better, and drive it into the ground until i cant drive a stick (and then get a used 12c/720s)
      >understeer
      honestly understeer isn't an issue, nor snap oversteer
      i've done >25 pca events and only ever see 996/7s lift throttle oversteer into trouble

      [...]
      Thanks anon. It should be here tomorrow or the next day and I'll see what all has already been added to it then and submit another order. Previous two owners were pretty meticulous about maintenance and from the pictures I could see some nice additions alread (pretty sure those liners you're talking about for the trunk are in there, and it has a Porsche owner's manual).

      [...]
      They're designed to be normie friendly anon, and they're highly customizable. Most of the known 'bugs' have already been addressed by either using factory GT3 parts or aftermarket. Despite muh bore scoring if you actually drive the fricking thing instead of just starting up and letting it idle for 20 minutes a month, they're just about bullet proof.

      nice - good luck and have fun

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >lift throttle oversteer
        That's the real problem, people just don't understand how to drive them and treat them like a front engine'd car when they really just need to power through it and use the throttle to keep the balance. They lift and then all of the balance immediately shifts to the front of the car and it's spin city. Stay in it and correct, it will sort itself out.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Nice, I’ve tracked a lot of M cars (pic related) too. But you obviously know what you are doing and what you signed up for. Most of these 996/7s are kept until the problems start to creep in and the owner will dump it before it’s his problem. The dealers don’t know or care if they do, and a lot of them have big surprises waiting for the next guy.
        If you, a seasoned veteran and actually experienced driver knows what he wants as can afford to make it happen that’s great. I love it. I want ti keep mine going for 170k. It’s my plan. The days of fun cars are coming to end so pick your favorite and find a way to keep it on the road.

        BUT some random guy with no idea what understeer actually is, with no track experience to know how to actually judge handling of a car, and no knowledge of what these engines are like to own, should be spending current prices on one when much more appropriate cars can be had for less.

        Can you fit a GT3 swaybar on it? That’s the first thing I’d do if I had 996. Feel like I’m remembering the GT3 is wider and it doesn’t fit though

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          NTA, but my 04 996 six speed had over 250k miles on it as of a couple of weeks ago. Other than oil changes, had to replace a plastic coolant thing, did the IMS with the clutch upgrade, upgraded wheels and suspension, GT2 kit, and some other ricer shit. Installed open headers and GT3 intake manifold, sounded mean, and you could feel the extra bit it added. Not sure about the swaybar, but as others have said, adjusting the suspension and alignment, and doing basic GT3 upgrades for stuff like the shifter/cables and oil seperator they're great cars.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Look into a GT3 intake too if you haven't already, common mod among Boxster S guys.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Look into a GT3 intake too if you haven't already, common mod among Boxster S guys.

            I can't read because I'm tired and moronic, though that said GT3 exhaust instead of intake.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            thought*
            I gotta fricking sleep holy shit

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Open headers anon, GT3 wasn't going to do much better, if anything.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Stiffening the rear sway bar is the best way to get rid of the understeer. All 911s inherently are going to do 911 things but the C2s have understeer built in so you don’t have a nice day and also the looser rear sway will soften up the ride and make it float.

            The alignment will also help because the camber is adjusted for turning instead of preserving tires on the road. Not something you’d really notice or benefit from off a track though.

  44. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >mcondalds
    >floppy chassis
    >unreliable
    >ugly
    >no lsd
    It’s ok when Porsche does it.

    I can’t believe my fricking eyeballs on this site sometimes.
    The 996 owner is being smug towards ANY other sports car right now?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >other sports car
      lets just be completely honest...

  45. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Thanks for the thread guys. I had already decided it would be unwise for me personally to buy one of these a while ago. Glad some not shit discussion for others could be had which is rare on this board now

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Glad I could help OP. I did the research on the same question a few years ago and saved my self the headache. Ironically I was shopping rebuilt 997 C2Ss and ALL of them that were for sale had eaten the owner alive and were being sold bc of cost. I knew this because I would call the mechanics if the shop was small and ask.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      all good boss, just gotta get the maintenance records and an idea of the previous owners and how they drove the car. If it's super low miles I'd avoid it. Seems counter intuitive, but from experience, the higher mileage cars with general maintenance tend to be great daily drivers with minimal issues.

      those pigfat shitters will still smoke your hopped up beetle on any track

      I'm sure I could hold my own against a lot of them unless they're literally driving a kitted out car. Stock for stock they're slow and cumbersome.

      the really funny part is the easiest narps to put an lsd in are base model 5 speed boxster/caymans
      because guess what, they use audi transmissions

      I'm actually shopping those chassis for this very reason, and doing the I4 engine swap. I think that would be a fun cheap car to hoon on with some really shitty over fenders and lots of rubber. Just gut the every loving shit out of it and cut out as much factory metal as possible like we did Hondas in the late 90s. Getting one down to like 1500 pounds with like 400 hp would be a hoot.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Sounds like a good laugh, you can probably get a shitter of a 986 with a blown engine for next to nothing. Drop in a big turbo 1.8T and hoon the frick out of it.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Exactly, and people sell their used project cars all the time with great parts for cheap, so finding a built 4cyl and a decent turbo isn't that expensive compared to taking that on the chin. Fab guy will do all the piping for the cost of the electricity, I just gotta fab it all up (mock up with sharpie marks for him).

          Untapped market there imo.

          https://i.imgur.com/e568r1s.jpeg

          You just need an aftermarket warranty that will actually cover issues. Then yes, you need to cover the maintenance costs. Which is important if you're planning to use the warranty. Besides that I think they're the best cars to own. I have 2.

          This looks like AI, but the headlights are impressive. What models do you own?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Apparently people have made adapters to get the K04 turbo plus manifold off a more modern TFSI engine to work on the 1.8T and VW being VW, they put those in everything much like they did with the 1.8T. Should be a decent cheap starting point.

  46. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    so in summary, everyone including a couple TTS owners thinks it's not a terrible idea, except for one loser desperate for post-purchase rationalization on his audi copemobile

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      post your wet noodle mcdonalds bore scoring machine

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I posted my Audi a few days ago, I’m going to assume you didn’t see the pic

  47. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >no
    yes. They switched piston coating materials.
    https://911uk.com/threads/bore-scoring-so-what-actually-happens.79249/#post-869911
    https://rennlist.com/forums/997-forum/1343032-bore-scoring-reference-thread-5.html#post18733788
    >lol
    there have been a handful of 9a1s that have gone down, but afaik it's not due to any defect in design or manufacturing, it's because of shit US fuel with corn in it and people not keeping up with oil changes, especially if they track the car. There's also a theory from Hartech, I think, about tolerances being too tight on early revisions
    >replace with OEM
    or GT3. that's kind of the go to for a lot of things lol

  48. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You just need an aftermarket warranty that will actually cover issues. Then yes, you need to cover the maintenance costs. Which is important if you're planning to use the warranty. Besides that I think they're the best cars to own. I have 2.

  49. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    bought a loaf of bread today, and car is being delivered tomorrow or Monday. See you gays in the next thread.

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