why third worlders can get a brand new reliable truck just for 13k dollars? what is their secret?

why third worlders can get a brand new reliable truck just for 13k dollars?
what is their secret?

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  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    your politicians, red or blue, are beholden to their lobbyist masters

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      yeah sure, overpriced trucks are because of lobbyists, and not because idiots keep financing frickhueg 6-figure trucks

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        that car is illegal to sell here moron. the reason they can make cheap cars and sell them over there is because less red tape.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          What if I buy a frick ton of them and import them into the US as non-road-legal farming equipment?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Then you won't be allowed to drive it on the road

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >What is the chicken tax?
        >What are CAFE standards?
        Anon what happens if those were removed? Would prices not decline?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >>What is the chicken tax?
          see

          DA doesn't want to accept the fact that people just don't like the same things as they do. they see something, they like the idea of owning it more than ever actually owning it. and they assume others are just as crazy about some obscure vehicle as they are, and they assume that if only said obscure vehicle were for sale in the US, it would sell a gorillion units per year and end the big three truck dominance. this has never happened throughout history no matter what truck came to america.

          remember the Subaru brat? tiny truck that skirted the chicken tax and failed.

          >remember the Subaru brat? tiny truck that skirted the chicken tax and failed.

          >What are CAFE standards?
          Things that don't affect the price of vehicles. EVs are not affected by CAFE at all, and they're still big and expensive. there is never going to be a reason for vehicles to get cheaper if that is the price people are willing to pay.

          why do you morons keep bringing these constantly debunked shit up.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            > Things that don't affect the price of vehicles.
            Oh bullshit. Do you really think an engine on a 2024 car with all the electronics, computer controlled everything (fuel injection, shutting off some cylinders at highway speeds, etc), adding turbos and twin turbos, and whatever else to achieve MPG standards isn’t more expensive than a basic engine from 2000? Are you dumb? Adjust for inflation and it’s not even close.
            >but EVs are expensive too
            Because they have costly manufacturing of batteries and EV owners are tards for buying them. The main reason lots of people bought them is tax credits made them affordable or cheap.

            >debunked
            Prove it. Saying it’s debunked isn’t debunking
            >Subaru brat
            Wasn’t a light duty truck. It’s a vehicular hermaphrodite like an el camino, but looked even gayer

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >2024 car with all the electronics, computer controlled everything (fuel injection, shutting off some cylinders at highway speeds, etc), adding turbos and twin turbos, and whatever else to achieve MPG standards isn’t more expensive than a basic engine from 2000?
            You think removing CAFE will have manufacturers go back to producing antiquated shitboxes? how did that work out for the big three in the 70s? that's an even more moronic argument. why do you think Tesla makes the best selling car in the world right now? is it because people want antiquated shitboxes?

            Cafe isn't the reason manunfacturers use technology. that's every industry that wants a competitive edge. if you don't utilize it, your competition will, and everyone will just buy your competition. this is why people are trading their toyotas for Tesla.
            >The main reason lots of people bought them is tax credits made them affordable or cheap.
            they're still far more expensive than something like a mitsubishi mirage. why doesn't everyone just buy that if they so desperately desire a miserable old shitbox? why did the mirage sell so poorly. does it have anything to do with

            I bought one and it needs a lot of sound proofing and anti-fog film to be enjoyable.

            ?
            >Prove it
            I just did. the chicken tax was gotten around. it didn't do shit and doesn't affect anything. no one will buy your stripped out turd world shitbox. it'll sell worse than the mitsubishi mirage is now. just like all the other small trucks that tried to skirt the chicken tax and failed to even come close to big three truck sales. eventually toyota gave up on trying to sell the Hilux, and made a truck similar to the big three, and low and behold the Tundra/Sequoia was a success.
            >Wasn’t a light duty truck
            what is a "light duty truck" to you? it has a bed, you can put things in it. and i'm pretty sure you and the other NotJustBikes watching morons are going to say no one uses their trucks for truck things, so what does it matter if it can tow or not? isn't this what the american people are starving for?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            If CAFE and the chicken tax have no effect on the current car and truck market then we should just remove it. Why do we need it. Allow manufacturers to sell their 3rd world shitboxes in the US market. It might work it might not but if you are right then the laws is un-needed.

            But if I'm right then we are costing people 10s thousands of dollars on over engineered junk.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            why not just install some useless seats in your shitbox and easily skirt it to sell your shitbox here if its so desirable? toyota could easily do that. they don't, so they must know no one but a few morons on DA actually want it. the chicken tax is braindead easy to defeat. it practically already doesn't exist. Ford themselves tried skirting it to sell the transit connect here. they discontinued it because hardly anyone bought it compared to the regular transit.

            you're already wrong, and there's mountains of evidence in the form of (insert shitbox here that skirted the chicken tax and failed anyway).

            Toyota should be the ones making an effort to sell you this. they apparently don't want you to have it. so its entirely on them. they defeated the chicken tax before. they can easily do it again.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >you're already wrong, and there's mountains of evidence in the form of (insert shitbox here that skirted the chicken tax and failed anyway).
            Show us. Your “proof” so far are two vehicles that aren’t trucks.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Transit connect, hilux itself, nissan hardboy.
            >but those aren't trucks! surely if it was a REAL truck! (and btw, truck owners don't use their trucks, thery're just life style vehicles)
            you'll just cope no matter what i bring up.

            show us your proof that the OP shitbox isn't sold in the US because of "red tape" and not because toyota simply doesn't want you to have it.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Transit connect,
            So a van not a truck
            >hilux itself
            Hasn’t been sold since 1995
            >nissan hardboy.
            Hasn’t been sold since 1997

            Hmm I wonder if there was anything else on the market from domestic manufacturers that were equivalent options in the 1990s? Could that affected sales? No that can’t be it. I wonder what would happen if those domestic options went away? Really makes you think.
            >show us your proof that the OP shitbox isn't sold in the US because of "red tape
            Quite literally import laws. There is a 25% tariff on it. Plus crash and safety standard. Plus additional fees if it doesn’t meet CAFE criteria.

            If Toyota and others can sell stripped down version of vehicles for low amounts in USD, clearly they can produce them for a low amount too. Why wouldn’t they even offer them? You’re saying they willingly are ignoring the largest consumer market in the world just because. People spend $15,000 or even $25,000-30,000 on side by sides. You think there isn’t a market for a small utility work truck anywhere in the US? Come on

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >So a van not a truck
            if people don't want small vans, why would they want your third world truck?
            >Hasn’t been sold since 1995
            yea, cause it failed.
            >Hasn’t been sold since 1997
            yea, cause it failed.
            >Hmm I wonder if there was anything else on the market from domestic manufacturers that were equivalent options in the 1990s?
            Yea, all the full sizers that sold far better, lmfao.
            >I wonder what would happen if those domestic options went away?
            the japs would just make full sizes like the Tundra and Titan themselves, and people would buy that, killing the nissan hard body and hilux once again.
            >Quite literally import laws. There is a 25% tariff on it.
            That they got around and stilllost? this isn't proof. you can't just say "import laws" without providing proof that it actually did anything.
            >Plus crash and safety standard
            You are never going to get rid of this in any country. no one wants a third world car they're more likely to die in.
            >Plus additional fees if it doesn’t meet CAFE criteria.
            the mirage is still cheaper than all its competition with those fees. yet no one is buying it. can't be that.
            >If Toyota and others can sell stripped down version of vehicles for low amounts in USD, clearly they can produce them for a low amount too.
            You can produce and sell something for just above its production cost. its not going to make you very much money. so they aren't going to bother doing it.
            >Why wouldn’t they even offer them?
            You tell me. they could skirt the chicken tax but they won't. so that's on them. Tesla skirted european import taxes by chopping up their cars, and having them "assembled" in europe. Toyota could also do the same in america. they just don't want to. so you're cucked by them.
            >You’re saying they willingly are ignoring the largest consumer market in the world
            Its not the largest consumer market in the world for third world products. so that's a pretty good reason to not bother with your third world products.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >cause it failed
            No. It became cost prohibitive
            Also you're a moron or a terrible troll that doesn't know anything about tarrifs and taxes

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >It became cost prohibitive
            by still being cheaper than the big three trucks?

            feel free to explain how the chicken tax wasn't skirted then, moron. since you're the only one who knows how the secret preventative red tape works.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >nuh uh those tariffs don’t exist because I don’t like them
            Black person how did they “get around them”? Did you just ignore the 1 billion dollar fine Ford had?
            >mentions the mirage again
            Why are you continually comparing not trucks to a truck? Hatchbacks aren’t popular and never have been.

            All those words and still no point. Impressive.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Black person how did they “get around them”
            how did they arrive on US shores in droves, moron, lmao!
            >Did you just ignore the 1 billion dollar fine Ford had?
            that they "could" face? where did they actually pay this?
            >Hatchbacks aren’t popular and never have been.
            neither have third world shitboxes in first world countries. does that thing in the OP top sales charts in europe or australia? what is the best selling truck over there? a ranger? why doesn't toyota sell it there? you keep using "popularity" to ignore the mirage, but this also applies to your third world truck.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >People spend $15,000 or even $25,000-30,000 on side by sides.
            yea, like a handful of people per year. not enough to support a vehicle that will require dealer networking.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >handful of people
            680,000 new ones were sold in 2023. 550,000 were sold in 2022. But go on about it’s only a couple people buying
            >dealer networking
            Dealers already exist and handle new models every year.

            Try again homosexual

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >680,000 new ones were sold in 2023. 550,000 were sold in 2022.
            yea, the ones that cost 5k-9k. not 20-30k.
            >Dealers already exist and handle new models every year.
            they don't want shit that doesn't sell, moron. they hate inventory they can't move. and we just know people would totally be lining up to buy a third world shitbox.

            try again, Black person.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >yea, the ones that cost 5k-9k
            Show me a new production SxS that’s $5000. I’ll wait. Honda is 2nd in SxS sales and their cheapest is the Pioneer 500 at $9k. No one buys a 500cc SxS. Their 700 is $12000 and the 1000 is $13000. You are factually wrong.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >You think there isn’t a market for a small utility work truck anywhere in the US?
            there is, they're just buying used. kind of like all the people in the market for something like a shitsubishi mirage, are just buying a used honda fit or yaris. thus, the mirage struggles to sale.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >mirage

            why do you think people will tolerate that, when they can get an infinitely cheaper beater truck that will be more comfortable for their occasional use as a 2nd vehicle? its still a moronic argument if you're just going to denounce the mirage.
            [...]
            >Let people buy what the fricking what.
            tell toyota that, they're the ones who refuse to sell it to it to you. the problem is that people don't "what" want* it, so they aren't going to.

            [...]
            >regulation isn’t stifling options for consumers.
            prove it is. you keep telling me to "prove" the chicken tax is useless, despite already giving you several examples, yet you haven't brought anything to the table that people actually desire this, and the only thing stopping them is muh red tape.

            >Giving several examples
            You keep mentioning vehicles that arent trucks. The two you mentioned weren’t viable because there were domestic equivalents that didn’t have a 25% surcharge added to their prices. It’s not viable to make something at 25% the cost of competitors. Those equivalent options don’t exist today. The market has changed drastically in 30 years. Would an all steel body, NA V8, roadboat getting 9mpg be a good selling car in 2000 even though it was in 1970? Of course not. Markets change.

            >tell toyota that, they're the ones who refuse to sell it to it to you.
            The US government literally prevents them from selling it to me.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >You keep mentioning vehicles that arent trucks.
            you keep coping even after i already mentioned trucks. do people not use vans for utility purposes also? why do we just ignore those?
            >The two you mentioned weren’t viable because there were domestic equivalents that didn’t have a 25% surcharge added to their
            prices.
            the jap ones didn't, either. because they skirted the chicken tax.
            >The US government literally prevents them from selling it to me.
            by what? the chicken tax didn't stop toyota before. CAFE didn't stop shitsubishi. the only thing realistically stopping them is safety regulations. and since you seem to think this will be used like side by sides, they could still easily sell it in that market, yet they chose not to.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >skirted the chicken tax
            Hmmmm
            >The "chassis-cab" loophole was closed in 1980.
            >The U.S. Customs Service changed vehicle classifications in 1989, automatically relegating two-door SUVs to light-truck status
            Wow it’s almost like the rules were changed so that didn’t work anymore.

            Explain how a single cab imported truck can skirt around the chicken tax? Foreign manufacturers are forced into making extended and crew cab designs which the American makers already do well.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >bolt down useless seats in your shitbox
            >chop it up before its sent to america so it can be """assembled""" in america like Tesla already does for their shit in europe to doge european import taxes
            they didn't do a good job of closing the loophole. the japs just exploited other ways of getting around it, and like i said, ford still got around it very recently. its a poorly thought out """tax""" that was a knee-jerk reaction to something else entirely and didn't really do a good job.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >just install some useless seats in your shitbox
            >Ford themselves tried skirting it to sell the transit connect here
            I wonder why no one is adding useless seats anymore?????? scooby doo mystery.
            https://www.motorbiscuit.com/ford-penalized-1-3-billion-sidestepping-tariffs/

            Example you gave of how toyota could side step the chicken tax is of the Ford's Transit Vans. In which Ford cat fined over a billion dollars.

            So now your argument is just "It won't sell here so we shouldn't even allow them to be sold here". It is the most boomer logic I've ever seen.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >https://www.motorbiscuit.com/ford-penalized-1-3-billion-sidestepping-tariffs/
            ah yes, this "could be" "if" penalty from years ago that never actually happened. when did Ford actually pay?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Standard light truck bed is 5ft wide and 6ft long. Anything less isn't useful. Also body on frame. Also at least 1500lb payload. Also true 4x4. Not awd.
            It's that simple. They use to be extremely common and sold extremely well. Until the restrictions fricked them.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >all these words
            >still doesn’t debunk it
            Thanks for proving me right
            >Teslas are best sellers
            I already addressed it. People get huge tax credits for buying them. The government is giving money to people to buy them.

            There’s a massive difference between using technology to improve your product and forcing to strap on as much as possible to meet minimum standards. Diesels are a great example. EGRs and DEF and DPF are purely for legs requirements. They kill engines that would last hundreds of thousands of miles otherwise. Not to mention they rob you of power and MPGs
            >post brought to you by diesel delete gang

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            It’s hilarious you’re trying to use a Mitsubishi mirage as an equivalent to a Hilux. They are completely different vehicles aimed at completely different consumers. Bottom line is it looks like shit and most people don’t want a car that looks like that. Hatchbacks have never been popular in the US.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Its hilarious that you think people would tolerate an ill-equipped uncomfortable antiquated vehicle just because its a "truck". that's the comparison between the vehicle in the OP and the mirage.

            but its funny that you say hatchbacks have never been popular in the US. these guys would to argue that even Kei cars would be popular in the US if it weren't for that pesky CAFE.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Small vehicles don’t vibe well in NA markets. Especially trucks that are expected to be able to handle longer distances and heavier loads than you would find in Europe or smaller countries.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >It’s hilarious that you think people would tolerate an ill-equipped uncomfortable antiquated vehicle just because its a "truck".
            Why are you assuming it’s a daily driver and not a 2nd vehicle for occasional use?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            why do you think people will tolerate that, when they can get an infinitely cheaper beater truck that will be more comfortable for their occasional use as a 2nd vehicle? its still a moronic argument if you're just going to denounce the mirage.

            [...]
            Who cares if the car is an extra vehicle or a dd. Let people buy what the fricking what. We don't need to regulate every fricking thing.

            >Let people buy what the fricking what.
            tell toyota that, they're the ones who refuse to sell it to it to you. the problem is that people don't "what" want* it, so they aren't going to.

            I agree with you and that’s the point I’m arguing for. The other guy is the moron who thinks regulation isn’t stifling options for consumers.

            >regulation isn’t stifling options for consumers.
            prove it is. you keep telling me to "prove" the chicken tax is useless, despite already giving you several examples, yet you haven't brought anything to the table that people actually desire this, and the only thing stopping them is muh red tape.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >tell toyota that, they're the ones who refuse to sell it to it to you. the problem is that people don't "what" want* it, so they aren't going to.
            I don't have to. There are lots of other companies that would like to sell their small cars and trucks in the US but we have stupid laws that protect shitty US based companies. Let the people choose what they want to drive. Remove the tariffs and remove the stupid regulations.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >It’s hilarious that you think people would tolerate an ill-equipped uncomfortable antiquated vehicle just because its a "truck".
            Why are you assuming it’s a daily driver and not a 2nd vehicle for occasional use?

            Who cares if the car is an extra vehicle or a dd. Let people buy what the fricking what. We don't need to regulate every fricking thing.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I agree with you and that’s the point I’m arguing for. The other guy is the moron who thinks regulation isn’t stifling options for consumers.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Cool it with the antisemitic remarks

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Less israelites.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >third worlders
    The third world doesn't exist anymore ESL-kun. The Cold War ended in the 90s.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Third worlders is the PC way of saying it. What do you want us to call them? Uncivilized countries? Humans with retained monkey traits?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Serious reply: developing countries.
        >1st world
        Developed country
        >2nd world
        Communists.
        >3rd world
        Developing
        >4th / 5th world
        LITERAL SHITHOLE. WE DON'T POLITICALLY CORRECT THIS ONE.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        shitholes, Hispanic holes.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Developing world and Developed world. First/Second/Third world referred to Cold War alignment and doesn't make sense in modern contexts.

        Neutral countries like Switzerland were part of the Third World while Cambodia was part of the First World.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Victims / Oppressors

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Huh, looks like winners and losers to me.

          #SorryYouLostTheWar

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >The Cold War ended in the 90s.

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because only third worlders are so poor and so desperate enough to buy something like that. Have you actually looked at exactly what you get for the 13k price point?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      a working car without zoomershit?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        yea, mitsubishi tried to sell you that, and DA didn't want it.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I actually plan on buying one very soon

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I bought one and it needs a lot of sound proofing and anti-fog film to be enjoyable.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    They don't have the capability or safety requirements of first world trucks.

  6. 2 months ago
    TooZ

    your picture is of Thighland.
    you have answered your own question.
    Viva Pattaya.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Those are men btw

      • 2 months ago
        TooZ

        Of course.
        Always has been.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        nah those are regular thai girls. Ladyboys are way more ''bimbo'' if I can say. Taller, fake breasts, better nails and makeup.

        >so-called third world
        >not a single fat or brown/black person in sight
        >not a single homeless person or drug addict in sight
        >pristine sidewalk
        >pristine asphalt and lane markers
        >pristine fence
        really, REALLY makes you think.

        I've been to some places in thailand, (not top 3 tourist locations) and they've been some of the nicest places Ive visited. Beatiful nature, relatively clean, joy to ride around town and visit places on motorcycle. But you have to be careful around monkeys in hills near temples, they can snatch your phone/keys/food in seconds. Even if I was eunuch I would still go on regular basis.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        problem?

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    you can buy used trucks that'll be just as reliable and way better to live with. i don't understand the mentality of wanting a stripped down shitbox when you can have a much more livable vehicle for the same price on the used market.

    america is spoiled for truck options, yet this is what you desire. i don't think the people who want these have ever owned a truck. hell, we have the shitsubishi mirage in america, and even when that is shilled, DA doesn't actually want it because apparently its a much worse vehicle than a used honda fit. so why would that be any different.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      > i don't understand the mentality of wanting a stripped down shitbox when you can have a much more livable vehicle for the same price on the used market.
      I don’t completely disagree but no one wants this for a daily driver. It’s a 2nd vehicle or beater truck for occasional use that’ll last forever. Buying used you don’t know how someone else treated it and if major repairs are right around the corner. Also rust if you live in a state that salts

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        if every toyota "last forever" then you can get a cheap used beater truck to do all the shit this one can for a lot less and chances are, there won't be anything wrong with it. toyota's are supposed to last forever right? unless they didn't change the oil since they bought it, or put diesel in a gasoline engine/vice versa, nothing will be fundamentally wrong with it.

        paying 13k for the OP is moronic.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          > Buying used you don’t know how someone else treated it and if major repairs are right around the corner.
          Did you gloss over this or what?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >yota's are supposed to last forever right? unless they didn't change the oil since they bought it, or put diesel in a gasoline engine/vice versa, nothing will be fundamentally wrong with it.
            did you gloss over that? are you really that scared of buying an old toyota? do they not last forever? are they not tanks? what happened to muh top gear toyota truck most industructible thing in the world?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >are they not tanks? what happened to muh top gear toyota truck most industructible thing in the world?
            When did I claim any of that? Also the hilux was used in that top gear episode and those aren’t available in America.

            Something can be a great, long lasting design, and also turn into a piece of shit of the prior owner abused it for 10-20 years. Seriously what point are you trying to make? That a 10-20 year old used vehicle with an unknown history is better than new production one (if made to the same standards) that costs a minimal amount more?

            I don’t even like the look of these new Toyotas so I wouldn’t get one. But your rationale is stupid.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Also the hilux was used in that top gear episode and those aren’t available in America.
            they were, you can still find them. the OP isn't a "hilux" either, so why do you think that'll last forever if you don't even have faith in toyota's other vehicles?
            >Something can be a great, long lasting design, and also turn into a piece of shit of the prior owner abused it for 10-20 years.
            what is "abuse" on a toyota? like i said, just buy one from a guy who changed the oil. its not that difficult to find. you act like toyota drivers are all drooling morons.
            >Seriously what point are you trying to make?
            That you can get any old truck for the price of this one, and it'll also last forever? that toyota fans go on and on about how indestructible their cars are but are too much of a pussy to risk a used one because it might've been """abused""" (but also check out this top gear video where he proves these things are indestructible!)

            this is a moronic reason to be afraid to buy used, especially given the supposed reputation of toyota vehicles.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >what’s abuse to a Toyota
            Not changing the oil, letting salt sit on the frame and never washing it, pulling stuff way heavier than it’s meant for, could have ran into things and damaged the frame and had it repaired. Do you think they are impervious to harm?
            >That you can get any old truck for the price of this one, and it'll also last forever?
            You can’t. That’s the issue. “Any old truck” might have been well cared for and regular maintenance was performed. It could also have gone 50,000 miles without an oil change because those were the first 50,000 miles and shit wasn’t breaking yet. You can’t know that.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            But if you do a 73 checklist inspection and disassemble the engine in the seller's driveway, you'll know the truck is going to go.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Not changing the oil
            again, buy one from someone who has. why is it that some guy on this board bought an old S10 blazer from an auction for pennies that runs, and you're terrified of buying an old toyota?
            >letting salt sit on the frame and never washing it
            so buy one with no frame rust, its easy as frick to spot. its going to be a beater anyway, not something you're going to daily.
            >pulling stuff way heavier than it’s meant for
            isn't this another bragging right from toyota fans? that you don't NEED a big truck to tow anything? europeans say this, too. they'd post some kei truck pulling a boat. or some VW golf doing the same.
            >could have ran into things and damaged the frame and had it repaired.
            oh nos, the very thing they did on top gear before declaring it indestructible! lmao.
            >Do you think they are impervious to harm?
            their fans do, yes. the only thing that can break a toyota truck to a toyota fan, is rust. otherwise, they can practically survive warfare. they're basically street legal military vehicles.
            >It could also have gone 50,000 miles without an oil change because those were the first 50,000 miles and shit wasn’t breaking yet. You can’t know that.
            if most old toyotas are still on the road as they say, then this either isn't as big an issue as you're making it out, or most people change their oil just fine. stop being a pussy.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >again, buy one from someone who has.
            How can you prove he has?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            cause its still being driven on the road like the rest of the toyotas. if they were all on the verge of breaking down, why are they still on the road? or are toyota Black folk lying about most old toyotas still being on the road and that they are like "wienerroaches"?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >you can buy used trucks that'll be just as reliable
      The current used truck market is still fricked up. And no, a 13k truck is going to be just reliable.

      >america is spoiled for truck options,
      Ford Maverick finally solved the small tuck problem. But reliable small beater trucks that were around from the 80s to the mid 00s are largely a collector's item. Until the Maverick is made in higher volumes, we are stuck with the following small trucks.
      Santa Cruz with a joke of a bed (starting MSRP 26,900k)
      Ridgeline (starting MSRP 38k)
      Taco (Starting MSRP 31,500)
      Colorado (Starting 29,500)
      Frontier (starting 30k)

      For reference, adjusted for inflation, a 2000 Ford Ranger would cost $20,740 in today's money. The Maverick is close to that, but there is not enough production volume for the Dealerships to sell at the base MSRP of $23,815.

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because some car manufacturers dont want to sell cheap, compact pick up trucks for Americans. They want to sell luxurious/expensive pickup trucks.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why do you people think people want small trucks? If a Tacoma or a Ranger or a Frontier was $15k 1/2 and 3/4 tons would still out-sell the living frick out of them. It's always been like this throughout history. Remember the Chevy Luv? That sold like hotcakes right?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Times have changed. More Americans want compact, cheaper, reliable pick up trucks. If you look at 2024 Ford Ranger single cab you notice it went closer on its roots and looks more beautiful, not sure how the reliability though.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >More Americans want compact, cheaper, reliable pick up trucks
          Obviously fricking not when 1/2 and 3/4 tons are the best selling vehicles on the planet lmao. Obviously not when mid to high level trim pickups are the best selling vehicles.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            fwiw midsize trucks in America outsell pretty much every vehicle everywhere else too, like US Tacoma sales last year would put it at #2 in Europe, and the Ranger has been the top selling vehicle in Australia for a bunch of the last few years but Ford sells twice as many in the US.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >base model single cab 1/2 tons start at $40k
            >gee why do people want upgraded crew cabs for $50k
            If you had a wider price differential you’d see more bare bones trucks. They still wouldn’t be the most popular but there would be more

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        DA doesn't want to accept the fact that people just don't like the same things as they do. they see something, they like the idea of owning it more than ever actually owning it. and they assume others are just as crazy about some obscure vehicle as they are, and they assume that if only said obscure vehicle were for sale in the US, it would sell a gorillion units per year and end the big three truck dominance. this has never happened throughout history no matter what truck came to america.

        remember the Subaru brat? tiny truck that skirted the chicken tax and failed.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >remember the Subaru brat? tiny truck that skirted the chicken tax and failed.
          Not a truck

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Bro, even the PT Cruiser is a truck. where was DA when this gem was on the market? oh right, they were shitting on it.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Bro, even the PT Cruiser is a truck.
            Everything will become a truck when we reach peak bubble crossover trugg if we go by your DMV standards. Sane people don't care about what frame it was built on.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >introduced in 2001
            Most of the people here were too young to be on the internet

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Profit is king. Large, expensive trucks have a larger profit margin. This is also why developers wish to build penthouses and "studios" instead of blocks of apartments for social rent

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The small trucks fulfill a utilitarian niche, while in the US the vast majority of full-size American pickups primarily fill the niche that full-sized and framed sedans like the Caprice and Panther cars used to. Your average crew cab truck has more legroom than an S-Class at this point.
    From a 'lifestyle' standpoint they also can tow hobby things around such as campers and boats too, which those same full-size body on frame sedans used to be able to do as well.

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    they don't need to send money to israel

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's an extremely unsafe tincan that would sell extremely poorly in first world countries.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      the same could be said about the jimny but that fricken thing was launched with 4 years of backorders

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Safety standards, and because nobody would buy them. The people who buy new cars want the best they can afford and then some, only poorgays care about 'value' in a car and they only buy used anyway so who cares what they want.

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    we used to do that,but nowadays people in america and western europe just use trucks as SUVs with a bed,they are not really considered true working mans vehicles like they used to...
    also because it's a POS that would not pass 1st world safety standards from 20 years ago

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >safety standards from 20 years ago
      Cars in 2004 were fine, you brainwashed homosexual.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >also because it's a POS that would not pass 1st world safety standards from 20 years ago

      It's a modern car from one of the best manufacturers, dumbass

      It's probably safer than most cars from 20 years ago

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >suddenly DA cares about safety
    cope and sneed

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Ranger Raptor in the US
    >$56k + a guaranteed bullshit mark-up with other bullshit tacked on
    >Ranger Raptor in Thailand, same exact truck
    >$40k OTD
    >Toyota top of the line spec Hilux with the top of the line, no DEF bullshit diesel
    >$32k OTD
    JUST

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      While here in the lesser Antilles.

      >Base model 2 door 4x4 Hilux $62,500 USD
      >70% of that is duties
      >Used 2007 Hilux 4 door $16,853 USD

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The cars there aren't the same make for make. They're a lot shittier in multiple aspects for them to be valued at that little.

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >be Toyota
    >buy Renault-Nissan
    >sell Japanese market quirky Toyotas in USA badged as Nissans
    >sell Japanese market quirky Toyotas in Europe badged as Renaults
    >???
    >profit

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Imagine that Toyota bought Renault/Nissan and sold this in the USA as a Mitsubishi Montero

  19. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't give a shit about safety features think about how fricking simple this ute is. What a perfectly repairable platform for our dystopian future

  20. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    no emissions shit

  21. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Reality is no one would buy it, and anyone who says they'd buy it is only interested in buying it used
    Sales for cheap cars are always abysmal

  22. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >so-called third world
    >not a single fat or brown/black person in sight
    >not a single homeless person or drug addict in sight
    >pristine sidewalk
    >pristine asphalt and lane markers
    >pristine fence
    really, REALLY makes you think.

  23. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    who wore it better?
    The roastie or the nerd?

  24. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because of insurance companies and emissions standards. Most of you forget or maybe have never realized that all the added on shit that makes a car truly expensive (Airbags, emission control systems, infotainment systems, TPMS systems, back-up cameras, etc.)
    aren't a luxury, they're MANDATED by LAW. If a car doesn't have a back up camera it literally CANNOT be sold in the US, period.

  25. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I've spent 14k in the last year restoring and building up my 90s Japanese shitbox that at the moment I am embarrassed to name.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      should've bought a toyota. those things last forever.

  26. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    We could have gotten a real cyberpunk truck like this but we get the autistic El Camino wedge instead

  27. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >what is their secret?
    living in a shithole making 100 dollars per week

  28. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    So we have a moron that doesn't understand that trucks cost more money to manufacture outside of the US or Mexico or China. Then also would cost money to become US legal. Then also would be subject to a 25% tax. Then also cost to ship across the ocean. Then also cost to enter the states.
    Then he still thinks they can somehow get past all this and "skirt" the law. Then doesn't provide proof of how. Then becomes a screeching artist.

    And some other sane people feeding the troll

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >trucks cost more money to manufacture outside of the US or Mexico or China.
      the moronic OP and the Black folk saying this would be a revolution here are the ones who think it'll be just as cheap in america as it is in taiwan. labor cost has nothing to do with import taxes, however.
      >Then also would be subject to a 25% tax.
      same moronic debunked chicken tax shit.
      >Then also cost to ship across the ocean.
      again, tell the morons arguing for this thing that. this is not an import tax problem. its a logistics one.
      >Then also cost to enter the states.
      again, morons who want this don't acknowledge this themselves, and think it'll be just as cheap as it is in taiwan. import tax or not.
      >Then he still thinks they can somehow get past all this and "skirt" the law.
      they can skirt the chicken tax. the other shit you listed is not a matter of US law. its the cost of manufacturing and shipping.

      also you didn't provide any proof for any of the shit you said, either. so have a nice day, Black person.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >debunked
        How so?
        >They can skirt the tax
        How so?
        Examples please.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          see

          >bolt down useless seats in your shitbox
          >chop it up before its sent to america so it can be """assembled""" in america like Tesla already does for their shit in europe to doge european import taxes
          they didn't do a good job of closing the loophole. the japs just exploited other ways of getting around it, and like i said, ford still got around it very recently. its a poorly thought out """tax""" that was a knee-jerk reaction to something else entirely and didn't really do a good job.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            So your answer is
            >They exploited it
            Wow. Such explanations

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            sorry you're moronic and can't read, anon.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Don’t bother anon. I tried already and it boils down to
          >because I said so

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >don't bother anon, i'm also too moronic to read
            yikes

            >tell toyota that, they're the ones who refuse to sell it to it to you. the problem is that people don't "what" want* it, so they aren't going to.
            I don't have to. There are lots of other companies that would like to sell their small cars and trucks in the US but we have stupid laws that protect shitty US based companies. Let the people choose what they want to drive. Remove the tariffs and remove the stupid regulations.

            >There are lots of other companies that would like to sell their small cars and trucks in the US
            such as? (try not listing third world shitboxes that no one outside the third world even buys)
            >but we have stupid laws that protect shitty US based companies.
            protect them from what? the competition has never came close to beating them with trucks at any point in history.
            >(inb4 muh shitty useless chicken tax)
            if the goal of the US is to protect american car companies, why didn't they just stop japanese cars like the civic and corolla dead in their tracks? why does the US have so many imports and brand options if its market is supposedly so protective? the US auto makers have had a far bigger threat from shit like the toyota rav4 and honda CRV than any third world junk you're desperately trying to pedal as being the 2nd coming of christ.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            You’d be a lot more persuasive if you could explain how a company can import a single cab, light duty truck while not paying a 25% tariff. Better yet do that while explaining how it’s not a large financial burden to circumvent it.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            i already did, but you don't like reading. Tesla did it, and it wasn't a huge financial burden for them. and they are far smaller with far less resources than Toyota.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            They did it into EU. Not USA. Fricking moron.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            That's if you even believe this nut bag. He's done nothing but lie through the whole thread

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >they just skirted import taxes from across the pond! that's not proof you can skirt import taxes from across the pond!
            lmao, okay, moron. i guess you believe european import taxes are fundamentally different.
            >is the car assembled outside the EU?
            it gets a tax.
            >is the truck assembled outside america?
            it gets the tax.
            >skirt both the exact same way by doing final assembly of the imported goods in their respective region

            That's if you even believe this nut bag. He's done nothing but lie through the whole thread

            Its widely known that Tesla was cutting up the model s and re-assembling them in europe. you're a moron if you deny this.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            No you didn’t. Tesla doesn’t make a single cab light duty truck either.

            https://i.imgur.com/B5Bmddx.png

            >they just skirted import taxes from across the pond! that's not proof you can skirt import taxes from across the pond!
            lmao, okay, moron. i guess you believe european import taxes are fundamentally different.
            >is the car assembled outside the EU?
            it gets a tax.
            >is the truck assembled outside america?
            it gets the tax.
            >skirt both the exact same way by doing final assembly of the imported goods in their respective region
            [...]
            Its widely known that Tesla was cutting up the model s and re-assembling them in europe. you're a moron if you deny this.

            >you believe European import taxes are different
            Yes that is correct. They are.

            Also I’m still waiting for you to show me a new production side by side for $5,000. You were adamant they existed earlier. What changed?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >No you didn’t.
            Yea i did. the japs did it themselves, and tesla shows the concept itself is not a financial burden even for a manufacturer several orders of magnitude smaller.
            >Tesla doesn’t make a single cab light duty truck either.
            irrelevant. they still get hit with import taxes for being an import. how do you dodge that? by not being an "import".
            >Yes that is correct. They are.
            So explain how europe classifies an import differently than america.
            >Also I’m still waiting for you to show me a new production side by side for $5,000
            https://arlingtonpowersports.com/trailmaster-challenger-4-200x-4-seats-utv-side-by-side-automatic-transmission-throttle-limiter/
            >inb4 "doesn't count!"

            still waiting for you to show proof that the reason toyota doesn't sell their third world shitbox in america is because of the chicken """tax""". still waiting for you to show me any first world country where this shitbox is desired. you still haven't done this.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >talk about Honda having the cheapest side by sides at $9-12k and being the 2nd largest seller
            >you counter with a 200cc go cart from a literal who
            This is the intellectual honesty you have on full display for everyone. How many units do they sell a year? How does that compare to Polaris, Honda, Can Am, Yamaha, Kawasaki, Kubota? Fricking please Black person

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >literally fricking copes on cue
            kek

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >still can’t answer a basic question
            The whole thread is summed up by that

  29. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Deregulation

  30. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Hi, Lux!

  31. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Americans are the paypigs of the automotive world. We have more access to credit than any other nation on Earth and will pay whatever automakers charge. A fricking 4x4 F150 XLT starts at $54,000 now. We aren't the largest market, but we pad the profit margins the most.

  32. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >ESL
    you tell us.

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