10 liters of water contains about 1 kg of hydrogen, which will allow you to drive about 100km in a car with fuel cell.

10 liters of water contains about 1 kg of hydrogen, which will allow you to drive about 100km in a car with fuel cell. And the only emission is water again.

Commercial electrolysers for home use that produce 1kg - 2kg of pure hydrogen per day have existed for years.
Power it with a wind turbine and you get it for free.
A windfarm on the fields could produce enough fuel for your town.

Why aren't people protesting for this stuff?

Storage isn't a problem either, since it can be stored safely in solid form at ambient pressure as magnesium hydride.

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >with fuel cell
    How do cells react to sudden jolts of Electricity? They short-out.
    Carrington Event cripples any 'Cells' we can come up with.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      cars with fuel cells have successfully been operating for decades

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Carrington Event
        Havent had one of those in decades either you dumb pollack

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah and if it happens you are fricked either way so who the frick cares

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >you are fricked
            My 1939 Studebaker Champion doesnt give two shits about it, moron.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            you would be fricked anyway, a CME would destroy every cars onboard computer.
            without the computers these cars dont work at all.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah that's what I'm talking about
            If the event happens and the whole electricity grid is fricked, some damaged fuel cells will be your smallest concern

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >and the whole electricity grid is fricked
            not necessarily. CMEs can be detected long before they hit and they got plenty of time to turn the entire grid off and utilize all kinds of other protective measures.
            the cars are a much bigger problem because that kills all kinds of Logistics and mobility.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The catalysts are really, really expensive.

        Hydrogen mixed with methane in a turbine or ICE engine with an electric drivetrain makes more sense.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          i want a turbine hybrid electric. put anything mostly flammable in it. car go vroom.

          >Another reason to hate Bill Gates
          Appreciated, but I don't need another reason to hate him
          Thanks tho

          it's actually even worse than that. thats just the power saved to the end consumer. idk how to calculate all the power wasted when windows is doing stupid shit online spinning up servers across the globe to check for another update you didn't want.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Polish moron pours water in his gastank
    >engine wont start
    Hurrrrr durrrrrrr
    Those toilets arent going to scrub themselves

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >we need MORE cars and MORE driving and MORE drivers
    No. The personal automobile should be made as expensive as possible and as much of a hassle as possible.
    You already had the perfect eco-friendly inexpensive quiet low-pollution self-replicating self-healing transport, it was called horses and you rejected it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      bicycles are easier to handle than horses

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah let’s go back to the dark ages. Why the frick not just voluntarily take a downgrade of one of the most crucial parts of our lives for the sake of some sky-is-falling fairy tale bullshit.

      You people need to be gassed.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >let's go back to the dark ages
        Horses were in common use until the early 1900s in most of the (now) developed world.
        Your ancestors rode proudly across the British landscapes and felt the wind in their hair, you sit in traffic and breathe brake dust.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        cars are kind of overrated, unless you really need to drive to your job 100 miles everday or something

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      you don't know how to ride a horse. back in the car with you.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >horses instead of cars
        Maybe this is why all the jeets are being brought in. Literal shit eaters. Teach them to shit in toilets and they go around eating up all the horse shit and relocating it in the toilets. Easy clean up. And they do it for free.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      tell me you've never heard about the great horse manure crisis of 1894 without telling me you've never heard about the great horse manure crisis of 1894

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Hey why don't you shut the frick up, and just build one yourself? Nobody cares about your homosexual car fuel.
    If you were in America right now I would hunt you down in my F150 and drive it straight up your ass.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    we are getting close. basically it makes sense to have all electric vehicles with onboard batteries if you have site fuel cells because of better opportunities for heat pump recovery in stationary applications.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >we are getting close
      the technology has existed for years

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Not exactly true. You need a reversible fuel cell that cycles for 30 years, engineered for grid scale deployment. The system has to be more efficient, or else it wont receive necessary private sector investment. The necessary systems exist at lab scale, backed by lab budgets and built lab engineers. Energy transition of the entire economy would be a fun project to work on.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          nah, the tech is more than ready, but it requires public participation which is what the israelites don't want, they want everything to be private, the want all profits to be only theirs, me, me, me, me!
          that's the problem with dirty American israelites like you, is all about you, frick you i got mine, muh private equity, muh quarter earnings, muh company growth, muh russel 5000, me, me, me, me!
          nuke America from lower orbit

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Most of it has existed for 100 years. Water powered vehicles going on 4 decades.
        It's ridiculous how much has been hidden to maintain the petrodollar and the power of the israeli ruling class.
        No one gives a frick though and the moment you create anything that utilizes zero point energy, your lab gets raided and you get suicided.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >basically it makes sense to have all electric vehicles

      no it doesn't, it never has and it never will, frick off elon, stop shilling your stupid gadgets and stop depleting the earth of lithium, those lithium cells could be use on something way more efficient than your stupid joy rides

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Do it gay

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >be me
    >hydrogen cell car
    >get into a head on collision
    >fuel cells explode, killing everyone in a 1km radius
    Pretty much the only reason we don't use them

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      We'll just have the white people all work from home for the first week

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        In canada they'd be considered WMDs and be illegal to own. Wouldn't want someone driving their mobile bomb into government facilities

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Probably why certain tech is kept from the public, weaponisation, been a plot device for ages

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          BC is deploying hydrogen fueling for OTR trucking as we speak.

          https://news.gov.bc.ca/releases/2023EMLI0064-001800

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Eugenics will kick in. Only cautious drivers will survive to replicate their genes. It's win-win.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        This
        thankfully car accidents occur in a vacuum where no bystanders ever wander into and everyone knows collateral from explosions and fires is always minimal

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          one of my life lemmas is:
          >If it can be abused, then it will be abused
          Pressurized cannister of flammable gas in a fragile metal box moving at high speed and operated by barely-sentient Black folk?
          What could possibly go wrong?
          >Vehicle stops
          >nigwalk to engine
          >Wut dat be?
          >Jabs hydrogen cell with pointy stick in an effort to "fix" it
          >picrel

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            LPG cars have existed for years and they are pretty safe.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            My statement goes to the left-side-of-the-bell-curve people - the Seasoning Americans and their ilk - abusing things. Not the inherent dangerousness of the technology - though anything new will have teething problems until it is refined
            Remember when air bags were a new thing? Always a few people being killed every year by them going off until they figured things out and refined them

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      that's not how it works

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    So do it if it's so easy

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      i'm a poor gay

      here's an overview of available electrolysers from nrel.gov

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        the hogen 20
        not bigger than a laundry machine

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You also need a 300bar compressor.
    > it can be stored safely in solid form at ambient pressure as magnesium hydride.
    Magnesium hydride is heavy.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >You also need a 300bar compressor.
      wrong
      >Magnesium hydride is heavy.
      also wrong

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        So you need 10kg of powerpaste to drive 100km
        How is this better than needing 5kg of fuel?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          you can make it yourself
          it's clean and can be recycled into new fuel

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            But you need twice the capacity for your energy source, maybe a bit less by volume but still
            What happens to the paste?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            the paste turns into a sludge of magnesium hydroxide that can be collected and recycled

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Instead of just refueling it you have to also somehow dump the used up paste, collect it, bring it somewhere where they recycle it and buy new one? Not really convenient or efficient

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            refueling and pumping out the sludge can happen at the same time
            i'm sure german engineers can come up with solutions

            the fraunhofer institute who developed a paste now have to develop their own car that uses swappable cartridges

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >i'm sure german engineers can come up with solutions
            I already created in my head a whole process of safe refueling and disposing of the paste with the mechanisms in each step to make it as easy and convenient as possible
            But I know literally nothing about the topic lmao

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            you can use it also for other vehicles like scooters or ebikes
            an ebike using powerpaste would have 10 times the range of an li-ion powered bike

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I remember reading about fuel cell powered small portable electronic devices 20 years ago but then it died

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            the jetsone one manned drone has a flight time of 30 minutes with li-ion batteries
            with hydrogen fuel cell you could fly it for hours

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If this is so simple, what's preventing someone smart to build one and start selling it locally?
    >t. moron

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Big oil calls in a hit

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Ever heard of stanly meyers?

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    How are you going to make those wind turbines without coal, natural gas, and oil?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      we could also use slaves to power generators
      big oil could serve a purpose after all

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Thats not a answer to my question, can you answer how they will build power generation equipment without using fossil fuels?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          i'm not saying we have to can fossil fuels for power generation, but you could reduce the toxic emissions on the roads to zero
          have you ever been to a city that causes asthma because of the smog?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Everything is comprimise, the good we have a massive population, bad that population is dependant on diesel engines moving our shit around and burning anything to boil water to spin magnets, so be alive with asthma or not

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's called Nuclear Power Generation.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You have No idea the extent of how much our modern comforts are dependent on fossil fuel is. Look how the active ingredient in concrete is made, how iron ore is made into steel, plastics, ceramics refrigeration, fertiliser, farming

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Numbers I've seen from actual working models, like the Toyota Mirage, give ~30km per 1 kg of H2, which means problems for the volume you have to carry around. Basically, those numbers will leave you better off with current electric batteries in terms of storage space required.

    Models that run on liquid nitrogen (BMW Hydrogen 7), of course get far better energy density, and solve that problem, at the cost of having to start venting the fuel after 17 hours once it gets too warm, and the tank's pressure increases too much.

    Basically, people are working on it, but H2 powered cars will likely come with some sacrifice of the convenience that petrol's energy density gives us.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      the Mercedes F-cell could do that range but it was canned because "there is no market for it"
      or the BMW iX5

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        ok I'll look at those. Curious what they did to achieve that.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/JDNqH91.jpeg

      10 liters of water contains about 1 kg of hydrogen, which will allow you to drive about 100km in a car with fuel cell. And the only emission is water again.

      Commercial electrolysers for home use that produce 1kg - 2kg of pure hydrogen per day have existed for years.
      Power it with a wind turbine and you get it for free.
      A windfarm on the fields could produce enough fuel for your town.

      Why aren't people protesting for this stuff?

      Storage isn't a problem either, since it can be stored safely in solid form at ambient pressure as magnesium hydride.

      You are aware you need a catalytic reaction with rare earth metals to make electricity with the hydrogen right? Which will need replacing how often exactly, and to what cost?

      The only thing that makes sense is to have a hydrogen gatherer/producer with catalytic converter at home or solar cell on the roof, that charges a normal car battery in your car.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        what rare earth metal are you talking about for what kind of fuel cell?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          to convert hydrogen to electricity in any car.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The Germans have this power paste compound that releases hydrogen on demand. Solves most of the density and storage problem.

      https://www.ifam.fraunhofer.de/en/Aboutus/Locations/Dresden/HydrogenTechnology/powerpaste.html

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Go buy a Mirai dealerships can't get rid of them fast enough.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      people would buy it if there was an infrastructure so they could use it, why do you think this infrastructure doesn't exist?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I was going to say the price for the car is way to high and the cost of driving 100km on hydrogen is way to high...
      But after looking deeper it's actually not that bad wtf
      Would consider it if I had 60k€ for a car, but I don't

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Wow, oxygen must be massive for that to work.

  15. 1 month ago
    Big Oil.

    When you release hydrogen from oxygen, the oxygen escapes into the atmosphere.

    This seems beneficial at first, but higher oxygen levels allows for larger people and animals.

    Larger people will need bigger cars. Bigger cars will need bigger roads.

    Higher oxygen flow to the brain creates more vivid thoughts. People will become over cerebral, depressed, and ultimately suicidal.

    Over-oxidization will also become a problem.

    We actually already realized all of these things, which is why it's a dead avenue in terms of research.

    It's much safer to drive a gas car. It releases co2 which is good for plants and has a calming effect when breathed in.

    Better to be safe than sorry.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Thanks big oil, appreciate your caring

      • 1 month ago
        Big Oil.

        Anytime, friend.

        Also remember that anything that oxidizes can be used in the manufacture of explosives. Anyone who wants to release oxygen from water is probably planning a terrorist event, and should be reported to your local authorities, who will inform us. We know how to deal with this.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Canadian big oil gave me lots of work, thanks, built 4 high pressure package boilers to cook the oil up and out of the sands

          • 1 month ago
            Big Oil.

            Oil is EVERY mans friend. Did you know that six million people drown annually in water? Did you know that hurricanes are made out of water, and cause property damage? Water is also used in nuclear power plants.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >10 liters of water contains about 1 kg of hydrogen
    ...bound to oxygen in a lower energy state than H2
    you need H2, with it's higher potential energy to power the car
    sure, you can convert it, but it will cost more energy to get than you can get out of it
    it's the same shitty problem as electric cars - both are a means of energy storage and energy delivery, but neither offer a net energy production solution. Sure you could increase solar fields and windmills and nuclear power plants, but until then, it's only part of the solution. A big chunk of hydrogen fuel is produced with coal energy still.
    I wonder how many people driving electric cars today understand this.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The goal was never to produce more energy out of hydrogen than you put in
      Just storage and use as mobile fuel
      The energy to create the h2 could be nuclear
      >COULD if we weren't tards who abandoned it

  17. 1 month ago
    It Really is the jews

    >Why aren't people protesting for this stuff?
    MUH Black personBALL!

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It sounds interesting.

    I talked briefly with someone who has a bunch of hydrogen fuel cell patents and he said the technology isn't quite there yet.

    It's also one of those things that will be stupid expensive and inconvenient until a certain adoption percentage is achieved

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      the technology has been used in space shuttles and has become stupidly efficient with capillary fuel cells recently

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >will be stupid expensive and inconvenient
      Yeah thought this while entering the thread
      Turns out driving 100km on hydrogen costs the same as driving 100km on petrol, right now

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        you can have it for free if you generate your own power and produce your own fuel

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I think the bottom line with hydrogen is we need nuclear powerplants to make the fuel dirt cheap.

        You're already sacrificing the density of gasoline so you can't make it worse with less dense energy generation solutions like wind and solar.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >I think the bottom line with hydrogen is we need nuclear powerplants to make the fuel dirt cheap.
          Seems like it

          you can have it for free if you generate your own power and produce your own fuel

          But I don't think you can pressurize it to 700bar at home, to fuel your car with it
          And like you posted above, the cars running on the paste are not yet here

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            cars use fuels cells, whether they are using compressed hydrogen or powerpaste

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            So is there a way I can turn the used up paste into usable paste AT HOME?
            because right now there seems to be
            >refuel at station with pressurized hydrogen
            >use paste (buy it somewhere?)
            >create h2 at home but what can you really do with it?
            You created the hydrogen at home, whats the next step?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            you could with the right machine but it would be more efficient to collect it and deliver it to a dedicated recycling plant

            to bind hydrogen to magnesium you need something similar to a thermomix

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Protest for it? Just make a market demand for it. You can just create demand on social media even if it's just hype to see 1 million followers saying yes we prefer this. Protest. Smelly yellers. Nah

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      but the market isn't free and products they don't want the public to have get silenced
      people have no idea about hydrogen fuel cells as this thread shows

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Another thought I have is lithium batteries are going to become solid state over the next few years.
    Those are much more dense than the electrolyte solution 18650s or whatever

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >10 liters of water contains about 1 kg of hydrogen, which will allow you to drive about 100km in a car with fuel cell.
    >Power it with a wind turbine and you get it for free.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Reminds me of lindsey lohan.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Waiting on a windmill powered passenger jet

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      i'm talking about your electrolyser that you have at home to make the hydrogen

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It isn't going to matter anyway anon
        Was listening to a round table of some fairly plugged in people
        Look for some kind of big "revelation" to be announced this year
        Some kind of ground-breaking tech
        Likely a power source
        Because of the AI they're pushing - such a thing requires stupid amounts of power - more power than some countries produce
        And they cannot hide that - so, if they want the AI, then they have to release the power source
        Everything is pointing towards some big "reveal" this year - our guess is it's power
        Which will make things... interesting.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          one single minor change pushed out worldwide to windows computers would gain back the power output of a medium sized country.
          windows is that wasteful just by being stupid. times billions of machines.
          just changing a 1 to a 0. thats it. millions of kilowatt hours.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Another reason to hate Bill Gates
            Appreciated, but I don't need another reason to hate him
            Thanks tho

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        What I mean when I say "interesting" is..
        Right now, we are beholden to others
        Fellating a bunch of greasy Bedouins and other shitbags for petroleum
        All they have is sand and petroleum - they have not diversified into any other industries
        It's ALL they do.
        If a power source were revealed that made their petroleum reserves obsolete
        Well... they would have hundreds of thousands of disgruntled military aged males who are out of work, no options - no Plan B because they don't have anything else - and looking for someone to blame
        Things going to get interesting, for sure...

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        morons without an engineering degree think that renewable means free.

        It's the exact opposite, renewable means expensive. And every thing you propose to solve the OTHER already abundant problems renewable energy has only makes it even more expensive.

        Engineering is about finding the simplest solution possible. You add all that bulk and you create problems bigger than the one you are solving. It loses it's purpose.
        Wind, isn't free, it needs more work put in than the one you get out if you compare it to other alternatives. Otherwise we'd all be using it. Not only that, the efficiency is trash.

        You could power the electrolysis with literally anything. Why not just biodiesel.
        OH WELL JUST MAKE ALGAE FARMS AND PROCESS IT TO MAKE BIODIESEL AND MAKE HYDROGEN WITH IT.

        why not just use the biodiesel?
        why not just power electric cars with the wind energy?
        why not just use animals?

        Every problem has it's solution, engineering has to find the simplest one. The most effective and efficient one, or fastest one (because fast is cheap).
        And using wind to power a synthetic hydrogen plant, to power fuel cells to power cars, is not simple, efficient or fast.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          you make it sound super complex when it's really simple and grants independence from oil conglomerates

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Engineering is about finding the simplest solution possible
          I asked my first instructor - a PE - if designed obsolescence existed.
          He paused for almost 5 minutes and stared at me.
          Eventually, he said "Not as a formal policy"
          Any fool can make something strong - that's easy
          Engineering is making something strong *enough* - and elegant
          Making one thing that performs 5 functions instead of 5 things that perform 1 function each
          He was a good guy, but he also famously said
          >"Lots of guys get into Engineering to build some huge bridge or grand structure. The goal of Engineering is to make it to retirement without being personally responsible for a major catastrophe."
          I have come back to that statement many times
          I cannot find the lie

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Proably a good idea.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah hey tell us all about how you drove your windmill powered car on the A8

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    inefficient. you’re adding an extra step on top of charging an electric car.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Faster than charging
      Can fit more hydrogen than batteries into a car

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Cant wait to see hydrogen cars explode when nogs get pitted into the guardrail

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Your mom's pussy contains about 10 gallons of my semen.

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >WOW THIS IS SO EASY
    >JUST DO THIS *proceeds to act like industrializing an already complex process is easy*
    >AND THIS *proceeds to explain how we should power this process with an inefficient AND already logistically complex process when literally any other makes more sense*
    >AND THEN WE JUST STORE IT IN A moronic WAY BECAUSE I AM AFRAID OF EXPLOSIONS AND I DON'T LIKE GASES

    you are a midwit, the prime example why if you want to talk about something you educate yourself first

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    'Ats anuff ta make a bom init

    The future of the white race depends on turning bottled water into nukes

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >10L of water contains 1kg of hidrogen
    Bastard never used P.V=n RT
    I hate those fricking morons that run this place

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Don't you need energy to get the hydrogen from water which costs more energy than what the hydrogen will give?

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