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OOOOHHH NONONONONO AAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Wow, totally unexpected right?
>rac don't expect it to change demand
lol, lmao
Considering they don't directly pay a tax on fuel, you have to do something to fund road repair.
>Domestic energy is subject to VAT at 5%, and this is what you will be charged if you work from home...
5% clearly isn't enough for the powers that be. Thought they would have waited a little longer for uptake before pulling the rug though, like diesel.
tax should be directly proportionate to car weight
This for real, would be so beneficial for pretty much everything if the kei style cars were a thing in europe. Cheaper to do business and most people dont need more than a 50hp 4 seater anyway
My favorite car has 75hp in the configuration I like, but the base model was like 45.
Yeah, it is a shitbox
That would just mean trucks end up paying almost all of the road tax, which is pretty based
They also cause most road wear
This is what car registration is for tho
Bigger cars pay more registestion because they do more damage to roads
That already comes from your taxes whether you're a road user or not. It even comes out of the cost for registering your car.
Ok?
Last winter, I was hell bent on buying an EV. Shills had me for a second, then I started following EV channels on social media, I wanted to learn as much as I can before I pull the trigger. Once I realized each one of these influencer homosexuals is slowly starting to lose their optimism in regards to electrification and probably regretting some decisions, I let go of the idea and I'm glad I did. And don't get me started on the fact that each EV expert is deeply invested in EV companies and basically acts as salesman/lobbyist (you can read their posts on this board every day).
Was with you though half the post but now I’ll just tell you to take your meds.
> - t. electric car salesperson [he/she]
Thats expected.
Instead of giving unnecessary subsidies, they just stopped taxing EVs.
Everyone should have done that and it would have been better off from an accounting perspective.
>The RAC motoring group said it did not expect the change to dampen demand for electric vehicles
Oh so its nothing
Lmao you believe them? My dad is buying a hybrid only because of subsidies making them cost the same as a diesel
A big reason why people like EVs is not having to go to gas stations at all and minimizing trips to mechanics (new tires mostly)
And if you don't live in a shithole like Germany the cost to driver per km is significantly cheaper than gas. Someone buying or leasing a new car will look at total cost of ownership
German here, the problem with ev is, that you need a garage with a charhing point which many people do not have. Also many "long range" ev are so big they don't fit in many garages.
Also electricity prices just got raised by another 100% so frick my life
>inb4 hurr durr just own your own house with garage and 100 KW of solar panels on the roof in your mc mansion
To be fair street ev charging is a thing
>>inb4 hurr durr just own your own house with garage and 100 KW of solar panels on the roof in your mc mansion
unironically what greens want. if you're poor just dont drive smile
Greens want you to live in a pod, because urban living produces less co2.
Street charging in Germany is cancer for manh reasons and not a viable solution if we ever go beyond the 20 % ev rate
>cancer for manh reasons and not a viable solution if we ever go beyond the 20 % ev rate
Care to elaborate why that is?
Not the entire list and I am sure people will find more problems but these are just the ones I heard of in the last few days,
> 1. non standardized payment processes within the eu
>2. strange mix of fast chargers and trickle chargers
>3. actually expensive to charge (I saw prives up to 60ct a KWh some months ago, probably more expensive now
>4. lacking place and cable infrastructure to build more than a handful of chargers per street, some places have cables so old that fast chargers can not be build at all
>5. ice cars and ev which are not currently charging are not allowed to park on charging places making the scarcity for parking spaces in inner cities worse
>6. the advent of swappable batteries might make the charging infrastructure obsolete
>7. Bavaria plans to create a hydrogen network making chargers obsolete
But worst is
>8. you are only allowed to stay on a charging place during the process of charging. Then you have to leave. Have fun to wake up at 3 am when your car finished charging and now you have to find an actual parking space (see point 5)
You don't seem to be familiar with fast charging vs slow charging and their associated fees
Can you please elaborate, since no I don't drive an ev. I looked into it, but there are no small ev with a decent range and the reduction in servicing and fueling cost would not break even for a long time.
If you think that 60 ct a KWh was an exaggeration or it was the cost of a super-hyper-charger, it wasn't. These are regular rates in Europe. Earlier this year I paid 35ct a kWh for my household. Starting this months my rates got increased to 70ct a kWh.
Those are rates for fast charging which people only really use on road trips. They charge cars in 20 minutes at 400-800v pushing anywhere between 100kw to 350kw
They use external inverters the size of cars, bypassing the car's on board inverter, and also have idling fees
Street chargers are regular 240v outlets and you often need a permit from the city to use them, same as street parking so people who don't live on the street can't use them
They charge at 3kw to 7kw overnight, typically cost you standard utility rates, and don't have idling fees
I looked up more current prices, it's 45ct for normal charging and 70ct for fast charging. Article was a week old.
I pay 6 cents lmao, get fricked
Where do you live, it's not germany apparently
Soviet Canuckistan. Time to push for nuclear reactors my guy
>>inb4 hurr durr just own your own house with garage and 100 KW of solar panels on the roof in your mc mansion
Amen. I'm tired of the bs excuses that are made for EVs, also with the shitty excuse for how "well you don't actually drive that much, so low range is ok"
it's the most tone deaf shit and is actually impeding the progress for Evs. Imagine if we never advanced starters in cars, you'd still have to go crank it yourself and maybe break an arm, and it would still be defended. Fricking braindead
EVs are fricking heavy. wonder what the tyre life on the average tesla is that is driven by a grampa and not hooned around
Teslas are around as heavy as their gas contemporaries
looked it up and you're right. they're as pigfat as most other late model cars, typically heavier due to the batteries. they're all heavy enough to get put in the highest taxed weight category here though kek
are they taxxed by weight ?
Tax semis more
that would make their bisnis non viable
like how teslas are conveniently absent
rubbish. like with everything, they just pass the cost on to the end consumer
You can easily search how much a Tesla weigh and place it on the chart
Their models fall between weighing as much as the RAV4 on the low end for the base level Model 3, and weighing as much as the Tahoe on the high end for the heaviest Model X. Do you expect 1/3 of the vehicles listed to be Teslas?
>fat man on a freakishly heavy bicycle
410 what? what units? damage units? chart makes no sense
compared to the average car, learn to read a chart moron
That chart is missing a row-- city bus
According to a study for the American Public Transportation Association, loaded weights of 40 foot, two axle transit buses range between 30,000 to 44,000 pounds.
Using the formula from the chart, a bus that weights 40,000 lbs loaded, does as much damage to the road as 10,000 cars.
Study on bus weights: https://onlinepubs.trb.org/onlinepubs/tcrp/docs/TCRPJ-11Task20-FR.pdf
That's actually a good point. Never hear the public transit people talk about it, even though they talk about heavy trucks and EVs.
we want trams and trains, bus is for cucks
That's why trains are superior
Sure, but not even the most dedicated public transportation guy suggesta trains everywhere. Buses would still be needed for less used routes/smaller towns.
I guess in quite a few places trams could provide a similar service though.
Trams/Streetcars were in most American small towns until Goodyear and GM bought them out and killed them in favour for busses
unfortunately trains require rigorous planning and foresight
The bane of every American
how is an average car heavier than a rav4?
https://news.sky.com/story/autumn-statement-electric-vehicle-owners-to-pay-vehicle-excise-duty-from-2025-12749553
>Until now, electric vehicles have been exempt, but the annual VED charge for cars will now be £10 in the first year, then £165 from the second year of registration onwards. The cost for electric vans will be £290
Realistically, it was coming sooner or later. Driving accounts for about half of those microplastics that have been getting a lot of concern recently, with a large portion of city dust being due to traffic.
my c**t wants to tax KMs driven rather than a set amount each month. It's fricking over
Cars shouldn’t be taxed at all.
It's not a matter of being fair
It's just politicians realising that there will be a decline in taxes from petrol taxes
pay the piper lmao just you wait and see how far it goes
Taxation is theft anyway. No matter how self-sustaining you make yourself out to be, the governments will find a way to tax you.
this was always going to happen. all the benefits that EV cucks use as selling points will fade away once the majority of the population is driving them, or in this case, still not even remotely an EIGHTH of it. for their next trick, anywhere that still has free EV charging will become paid, making them essentially gas stations where you "refuel" for an hour or more
it kinda fricked that evs werent taxed before because they actually cause more wear on the roads due to higher weight
It was to incentivize people to buy them. In Norway you didn't pay sales tax on them for some years, basically took out 50% of the cost. Probably why they are so popular there.
It's funny that many lefties supported it, as it's basically tax cuts for the richer people.
I cannot wait for the day they rescind the petrol car ban because synthetic fuel makes EVs pointless.
synthetic fuels use far more energy than EV and their batteries, it won't make sense for the average person to bother with them. And you lose the convenience of charging at home
synthetic fuels will only really be used by rich people to drive their old Porsches and Ferraris, because $20+ per gallon is nothing to them
>convenience of charging at home
you say that like people will be homeowners and not podrenters in 20 years time
Podrenters can ride the bus for all I care. If you don't own a home by 30 you've failed at life and should consider killing yourself
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I don't feel so good EVsisters!