There is a very competent rail network, it's the lifeblood of the supply chain you midwit homosexual. You think resources and consumer goods are just moved around on transport trucks?
Designing a rail system for moving resources is incredibly advanced and a sign of a high functioning society. Designing a rail system purely for moving PEOPLE around is a sign of a highly authoritarian and regressive society that doesn't value individuality and is probably one step away from communism.
Forcing everyone to drive all the time, including people who have no business behind the wheel of a vehicle is no different.
I would like the Freedom, to go see the Cubs without having to drive a car through Chicago traffic or risk it on the famously terrible Illinois roads.
Yes creating a society where there are expectations is a good thing. Being an adult is a good thing. Manbaby homosexuals ride the bus and the train. Public transit is for physically disabled people in wheelchairs with gubgub snail brains and noodle legs and for old sad widows whose legs can't reach the gas pedal.
If you live in Chicago and like baseball you deserve to be shot sitting in traffic.
nothing is stopping you from moving to the city now, moron, Chicago has a huge rail system and plenty of busses
i hate you moronic liberals so much it kills me
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>just move to the city!
No thank you. Most city dwellers shouldn't own cars they are not actually qualified to operate, and cities should have ways to get there that don't require driving a valuable vehicle on their terrible roads filled with unqualified drivers.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Oh I get it now, you just want to control what other people do because you know better.
Typical leftist bullshit
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
they can't even manage their own lives and yet they think they're qualified to manage everyone else's.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
What's the point of cars if the experience driving them is soul crushing bumper to bumper traffic for hours every day?
Or of nice cars if every time you take one out on the crowded and crumbling roads you are at risk of them being damaged by other drivers or the poor maintenance because they aren't properly funded?
I just want the roads to be paid for, and for the standards to get a license to be higher so people are qualified and motivated to safely operate vehicles.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
skill issue, i have none of those problems when driving my cars. sounds like you're dealing with issues brought on by socialist progressive policies and you think the solution is more socialist progressive policies because you're a bumbling dumb fricking idiot which is exactly why you have the shitty life you do.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
What is 'socialist' or 'progressive' about wanting to raise the standards for operating a motor vehicle?
What, are you afraid that you wouldn't be able to pass the test or afford the license fees?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>What's the point of cars if the experience driving them is soul crushing bumper to bumper traffic for hours every day?
Have you ever tried riding the bus/lite rail/Metro? >Or of nice cars if every time you take one out on the crowded and crumbling roads you are at risk of them being damaged by other drivers or the poor maintenance because they aren't properly funded?
Im an excellent driver so that's minimal risk, but I have a shitbox, so its only a mild annoyance when someone bumps it. >I just want the roads to be paid for, and for the standards to get a license to be higher so people are qualified and motivated to safely operate vehicles.
We should just have higher standards for immigration (and send back 50 million that shouldn't have been let in.) Also putting thieves/violent "people" back in jail and letting drug addicts die of overdoses instead of reviving them to commit more crimes
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I have, and it is currently totally inadequate. Not a real alternative to driving until you have already driven to Chicago.
There is no denying that the US destroyed the infrastructure that built the Midwest, and has not kept up with the rest of the world.
Or that trying to move tens of thousands of people to the same location is simply not a good use for cars.
> send back 50 million that shouldn't have been let in
Now who is the one being Unamerican? The constitution guarantees political freedom, and the USA is a nation of immigrants. It does not guarantee the right to operate a motor vehicle, or require that everyone drive for everything all the time.
People were saying the same crap about Germans, Irish, Poles, etc not that long ago.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>People were saying the same crap about Germans, Irish, Poles, etc not that long ago.
Those people were right. Culturally it destroyed our nation.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Having an open boarder for criminals and welfare leaches to exploit isnt a good solution. The immigrants of 100 years ago worked hard or died of poverty. Sometimes they did both.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Demand public transit >Just move to the city where public transit is good >No
Oh, now we get it. It's just YOU who wants to dictate what people should do because you want to inconvenience us
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Demand public transit >Just move to the city where public transit is good >Get creeped out by bums on/near public transit >Get assaulted >Get a big SUV to feel safe > Move out of city >Get exit taxed > Become violent homeless person
There is a very competent rail network, it's the lifeblood of the supply chain you midwit homosexual. You think resources and consumer goods are just moved around on transport trucks?
Designing a rail system for moving resources is incredibly advanced and a sign of a high functioning society. Designing a rail system purely for moving PEOPLE around is a sign of a highly authoritarian and regressive society that doesn't value individuality and is probably one step away from communism.
Frick you and your public transit.
unbased, moving cattle is as important as moving freight
I had a fridge, dishwasher, and oven delivered each seperately for free. Also, lol at paying thousands of dollars per year to save a few $40 charges. As in, you spend thousands of dollars more per year for the larger vehicle in tires and gas and maintanence, and the price of it, compared to a small car owner. Someone who just uses public transit saves probably ten thousand per year over owning a car for the big box deliveries.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
you can save even more money by living in a small box 6 feet under the ground fyi.
he knows that, i just mindbroke him by repeatedly posting this image at him so now he tries to get ahead of it by posting his moronic attempt at a counterpoint lol
poor guy he must be constantly thinking every time he posts that i'm in his threads ready to reply to him with this graph lmao
CRTs are extremely heavy, expensive to transport, use rare metals that complicate their manufacturing, and will zap you to death if you do something wrong, sure fricking sound like EV fricking shits to me.
There are dozens of technologies better than the traditional automotive internal combustion piston engine.
The problem for them has been that gasoline is so cheap thanks to subsidies none of them have been able to catch on, and the efficiency or mechanical simplicity advantages of other technology hasn't been able to overcome the industries bias towards technology that does not require new R&D investments.
That is until the nickel manganese cobalt lithium ion battery made electric cars more viable, because electric motors are definitively better than any other solution currently available.
The search now is for batteries that suck slightly less. The recent development of sodium ion batteries that can match NMC energy density for a small fraction of the cost, support more charge cycles, and function like a capacitor able to charge in seconds with incredible power density, could spell the doom of internal combustion.
At least as a way to physically drive the wheels of a vehicle.
Gasoline is heavily subsidized, then lightly taxed, to pay for the roads, but the money brought in by those taxes only covers 1/5 of expenditure on roads, and doesn't even begin to cover the money spent on the massive global fossil fuel infrastructure.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
there are zero gasoline subsidies that support any aspect of the automotive industry and you cannot and will not prove me wrong.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>there are zero gasoline subsidies that support any aspect of the automotive industry
Except for the fact that artificially cheap gas allows car makers to keep selling old engines and avoid investing in R&D on more efficient solutions.
Why spend money to retool to make 100mpg cars, or hydrogen cars, when gasoline is so cheap?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
this is also a problem completely isolated to the US and (other) third world countries
everywhere else, cars are running with 40-50MPG minimum
>The recent development of ______ batteries that...
this sentence is at least 40 or 60 years old now, and yet the world has been using and modifying the same two battery technologies this whole time. but i'm sure your new batteries will be the breakthrough we are waiting for!
Yeah a lot of the eco youtubers changed their minds. EV's are no longer the future to them. Now the ideal future is nobody owning cars and just riding bikes and riding public transport.
In the future car enthusiasts will look at the EV craze with nostalgia
Make them better than ICE vehicles. Have they tried that? Because every single EV is worse in just about every way to their ICE vehicle counterparts. There is next to no reason to buy an electric car over a normal one.
[...]
The thing that sucks about the government push for EVs is that we've never had any affordable performance hybrids.
There are dozens of technologies better than the traditional automotive internal combustion piston engine.
The problem for them has been that gasoline is so cheap thanks to subsidies none of them have been able to catch on, and the efficiency or mechanical simplicity advantages of other technology hasn't been able to overcome the industries bias towards technology that does not require new R&D investments.
That is until the nickel manganese cobalt lithium ion battery made electric cars more viable, because electric motors are definitively better than any other solution currently available.
The search now is for batteries that suck slightly less. The recent development of sodium ion batteries that can match NMC energy density for a small fraction of the cost, support more charge cycles, and function like a capacitor able to charge in seconds with incredible power density, could spell the doom of internal combustion.
At least as a way to physically drive the wheels of a vehicle.
Gasoline is heavily subsidized, then lightly taxed, to pay for the roads, but the money brought in by those taxes only covers 1/5 of expenditure on roads, and doesn't even begin to cover the money spent on the massive global fossil fuel infrastructure.
>There are no gasoline subsidies
Then explain how it costs much less than everything else for the same energy, and the fees it enjoys are also much lower.
I know you don't like to admit it because it goes against your whole world view, but you are the beneficiary of taxpayer subsidies.
I'm personally all for removing all of those subsidies and going to a free market, at least where a free market actually makes sense.
If everyone understood the true cost of what they enjoy, the world would be a better place.
What specifically are these subsidies? Just name one. Refer to something in the USG budget, or federal register. I want to be convinced, just give me one subsidy for gasoline.
Im not buying it. The military is up to all kinds of things, many of which are disrupting the oil market. For example, euro/usa weapons have been blowing up natural gas pipelines and refineries, and of course tanks, airplanes, armored vehicles etc all use up massive amounts of oil. Same goes for the war in iraq, etc. If anything our military is keeping prices higher, cause otherwise iran and Russia could be selling oil products on the global market.
It's hilarious how I predicted years ago that the anti EV crowd would get louder and louder as gas cars start losing more and more market share. We're not at 10% BEV market share and the anti EV crowd is b***hing more than ever.
I wonder what their Jan 6 moment will be. When market share hits 50%?
Lmao did the CRT = gas car analogy mind break you?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
lmao update your LLM.
https://i.imgur.com/Lu9PnLh.png
he knows that, i just mindbroke him by repeatedly posting this image at him so now he tries to get ahead of it by posting his moronic attempt at a counterpoint lol
poor guy he must be constantly thinking every time he posts that i'm in his threads ready to reply to him with this graph lmao
I think the next wave of EVs with 500 mile ranges and 15 minute charging will seal the deal for most people. But when those are coming, and when poorgays like us can afford them, might be another 10 years.
My city (a state capitol) only has a bus system, but there are very few busses and my nearest station is a good 30 min walk. Public transport isn't a thing here and I'm fine with that.
Im a block away from the transit center and I sometimes walk over there just for excercise. Probably used a bus 3 or 4 times in the past 12 years. Busses usually look empty. Just $500,000 vehicles with $ 90k/ year drivers getting 3 MPG to haul bums around occasionally.
I don't drive cars because of the Black person problem. Get hit by one uninsured motorist, they run off, enjoy paying out the ass in insurance. Rather take public transit.
not much, the third world and developing countries are going to use ICE's as they are more readily available and less expensive upfront considering the associated infrastructure costs
Worth mentioning the increasing viability of regenerative biofuels and approach towards scalable carbon neutrality, hybrids are most likely the future with thier longer range and mixed infrastructure dependency being adaptable for the future development shifts in nearly all worldwide
>t. studied biotech in college before shifting to sociology w/ an emphasis on geopolitics >also, I'm unemployable
>third world and developing countries are going to use ICE's as they are more readily available and less expensive upfront considering the associated infrastructure cost
Other way around, they're buying up chink electric scooters, motorbikes, and rickshaws in droves, often with batteries that can be swapped by hand in a couple minutes
Electricity is a hell of a lot cheaper than gas and it much easier to generate yourself now days than before
Are you moronic or just shilling for oil israelites?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
they're going to use what they've always used, leftover scraps from the developed world. since EV batteries and motors are piling up in recycling yards they're going to be the ones to repurpose them since that's what will be cheap and available.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>2019 >EV sales skyrocket since then
Crazy how you see more and more of these fear mongering articles as more and more people are buying EVs. Surely it isn't just a certain group of people who feel their lively hood is being threatened
How about a competent rail network in the US instead of shitty modern cars period?
>>>/n/
There is a very competent rail network, it's the lifeblood of the supply chain you midwit homosexual. You think resources and consumer goods are just moved around on transport trucks?
Designing a rail system for moving resources is incredibly advanced and a sign of a high functioning society. Designing a rail system purely for moving PEOPLE around is a sign of a highly authoritarian and regressive society that doesn't value individuality and is probably one step away from communism.
Frick you and your public transit.
Forcing everyone to drive all the time, including people who have no business behind the wheel of a vehicle is no different.
I would like the Freedom, to go see the Cubs without having to drive a car through Chicago traffic or risk it on the famously terrible Illinois roads.
>>>/n/
>Forcing everyone to drive all the time
Yes creating a society where there are expectations is a good thing. Being an adult is a good thing. Manbaby homosexuals ride the bus and the train. Public transit is for physically disabled people in wheelchairs with gubgub snail brains and noodle legs and for old sad widows whose legs can't reach the gas pedal.
If you live in Chicago and like baseball you deserve to be shot sitting in traffic.
nothing is stopping you from moving to the city now, moron, Chicago has a huge rail system and plenty of busses
i hate you moronic liberals so much it kills me
>just move to the city!
No thank you. Most city dwellers shouldn't own cars they are not actually qualified to operate, and cities should have ways to get there that don't require driving a valuable vehicle on their terrible roads filled with unqualified drivers.
Oh I get it now, you just want to control what other people do because you know better.
Typical leftist bullshit
they can't even manage their own lives and yet they think they're qualified to manage everyone else's.
What's the point of cars if the experience driving them is soul crushing bumper to bumper traffic for hours every day?
Or of nice cars if every time you take one out on the crowded and crumbling roads you are at risk of them being damaged by other drivers or the poor maintenance because they aren't properly funded?
I just want the roads to be paid for, and for the standards to get a license to be higher so people are qualified and motivated to safely operate vehicles.
skill issue, i have none of those problems when driving my cars. sounds like you're dealing with issues brought on by socialist progressive policies and you think the solution is more socialist progressive policies because you're a bumbling dumb fricking idiot which is exactly why you have the shitty life you do.
What is 'socialist' or 'progressive' about wanting to raise the standards for operating a motor vehicle?
What, are you afraid that you wouldn't be able to pass the test or afford the license fees?
>What's the point of cars if the experience driving them is soul crushing bumper to bumper traffic for hours every day?
Have you ever tried riding the bus/lite rail/Metro?
>Or of nice cars if every time you take one out on the crowded and crumbling roads you are at risk of them being damaged by other drivers or the poor maintenance because they aren't properly funded?
Im an excellent driver so that's minimal risk, but I have a shitbox, so its only a mild annoyance when someone bumps it.
>I just want the roads to be paid for, and for the standards to get a license to be higher so people are qualified and motivated to safely operate vehicles.
We should just have higher standards for immigration (and send back 50 million that shouldn't have been let in.) Also putting thieves/violent "people" back in jail and letting drug addicts die of overdoses instead of reviving them to commit more crimes
I have, and it is currently totally inadequate. Not a real alternative to driving until you have already driven to Chicago.
There is no denying that the US destroyed the infrastructure that built the Midwest, and has not kept up with the rest of the world.
Or that trying to move tens of thousands of people to the same location is simply not a good use for cars.
> send back 50 million that shouldn't have been let in
Now who is the one being Unamerican? The constitution guarantees political freedom, and the USA is a nation of immigrants. It does not guarantee the right to operate a motor vehicle, or require that everyone drive for everything all the time.
People were saying the same crap about Germans, Irish, Poles, etc not that long ago.
>People were saying the same crap about Germans, Irish, Poles, etc not that long ago.
Those people were right. Culturally it destroyed our nation.
Having an open boarder for criminals and welfare leaches to exploit isnt a good solution. The immigrants of 100 years ago worked hard or died of poverty. Sometimes they did both.
>Demand public transit
>Just move to the city where public transit is good
>No
Oh, now we get it. It's just YOU who wants to dictate what people should do because you want to inconvenience us
>Demand public transit
>Just move to the city where public transit is good
>Get creeped out by bums on/near public transit
>Get assaulted
>Get a big SUV to feel safe
> Move out of city
>Get exit taxed
> Become violent homeless person
>jews fear trains because they have genetic ptsd from being transported to auchswitz and dachau like cattle.
jews love trains because they can control when and where the goyim can go
>regressive society that doesn't value individuality and is probably one step away from communism.
Thomas the Tank Engine must give you PTSD
>bawwww having options is LITERALLY communism
based
unbased, moving cattle is as important as moving freight
Trains are not going to get you from your house to the big box store and back.
>what is a delivery truck
>that'll be $40 delivery + environmental tip
I had a fridge, dishwasher, and oven delivered each seperately for free. Also, lol at paying thousands of dollars per year to save a few $40 charges. As in, you spend thousands of dollars more per year for the larger vehicle in tires and gas and maintanence, and the price of it, compared to a small car owner. Someone who just uses public transit saves probably ten thousand per year over owning a car for the big box deliveries.
you can save even more money by living in a small box 6 feet under the ground fyi.
you use a deliver truck to do your groceries?
You don't have legs and arms?
gas yourself /n/igger
God I love German science mommy so much, bros
He looks like a man.
China just hit 50% NEV sales for the first time this April...Norway is at over 90%...the worldwide sales at over 10%...what crack is OP smoking?
Shup foo
Gas cars = Tube TVs
Hybrids = 3D TVs
EVs = 4k TVs
Chemical reaction > ion shuffle
3D TVs are obsolete.
That's your whole arguement? A television is an unnecessary thing. EVs won't work, the system will not work with them. They are just a hobby car.
ev = 3d tv's, every vapid c**t had to have one and ultimately was a dumb gimmick.
he knows that, i just mindbroke him by repeatedly posting this image at him so now he tries to get ahead of it by posting his moronic attempt at a counterpoint lol
poor guy he must be constantly thinking every time he posts that i'm in his threads ready to reply to him with this graph lmao
evs are more like plasmas. better performance but a fad in the end
Those are Hybrids.
>Gas cars = smart phone
>Hybrids = smart watch
>EVs = smart goggles
Aka only hype following morons will actually get one.
CRTs are extremely heavy, expensive to transport, use rare metals that complicate their manufacturing, and will zap you to death if you do something wrong, sure fricking sound like EV fricking shits to me.
Until we come up with a technology better than Ice, ice is here to stay. And no ev is trash. Batteries suck ass.
There are dozens of technologies better than the traditional automotive internal combustion piston engine.
The problem for them has been that gasoline is so cheap thanks to subsidies none of them have been able to catch on, and the efficiency or mechanical simplicity advantages of other technology hasn't been able to overcome the industries bias towards technology that does not require new R&D investments.
That is until the nickel manganese cobalt lithium ion battery made electric cars more viable, because electric motors are definitively better than any other solution currently available.
The search now is for batteries that suck slightly less. The recent development of sodium ion batteries that can match NMC energy density for a small fraction of the cost, support more charge cycles, and function like a capacitor able to charge in seconds with incredible power density, could spell the doom of internal combustion.
At least as a way to physically drive the wheels of a vehicle.
gasoline is taxed, not subsidized.
Gasoline is heavily subsidized, then lightly taxed, to pay for the roads, but the money brought in by those taxes only covers 1/5 of expenditure on roads, and doesn't even begin to cover the money spent on the massive global fossil fuel infrastructure.
there are zero gasoline subsidies that support any aspect of the automotive industry and you cannot and will not prove me wrong.
>there are zero gasoline subsidies that support any aspect of the automotive industry
Except for the fact that artificially cheap gas allows car makers to keep selling old engines and avoid investing in R&D on more efficient solutions.
Why spend money to retool to make 100mpg cars, or hydrogen cars, when gasoline is so cheap?
this is also a problem completely isolated to the US and (other) third world countries
everywhere else, cars are running with 40-50MPG minimum
Gasoline isn't taxed nearly as much as I think it should be, which means its subsidized.
>support more charge cycles
But that's the problem. You can still go buy a 30 year old ICE vehicle and it still runs.
>The recent development of ______ batteries that...
this sentence is at least 40 or 60 years old now, and yet the world has been using and modifying the same two battery technologies this whole time. but i'm sure your new batteries will be the breakthrough we are waiting for!
Yeah a lot of the eco youtubers changed their minds. EV's are no longer the future to them. Now the ideal future is nobody owning cars and just riding bikes and riding public transport.
In the future car enthusiasts will look at the EV craze with nostalgia
>Now the ideal future is nobody owning cars and just riding bikes and riding public transport.
that was always the main idea
Make them better than ICE vehicles. Have they tried that? Because every single EV is worse in just about every way to their ICE vehicle counterparts. There is next to no reason to buy an electric car over a normal one.
The thing that sucks about the government push for EVs is that we've never had any affordable performance hybrids.
There are no gasoline subsidies, you /n/ schizo.
>There are no gasoline subsidies
Then explain how it costs much less than everything else for the same energy, and the fees it enjoys are also much lower.
I know you don't like to admit it because it goes against your whole world view, but you are the beneficiary of taxpayer subsidies.
I'm personally all for removing all of those subsidies and going to a free market, at least where a free market actually makes sense.
If everyone understood the true cost of what they enjoy, the world would be a better place.
What specifically are these subsidies? Just name one. Refer to something in the USG budget, or federal register. I want to be convinced, just give me one subsidy for gasoline.
he can't and won't. every time he says this he's prodded for hours to name a single one and he has never been able to.
hint: it's the expensive one
Im not buying it. The military is up to all kinds of things, many of which are disrupting the oil market. For example, euro/usa weapons have been blowing up natural gas pipelines and refineries, and of course tanks, airplanes, armored vehicles etc all use up massive amounts of oil. Same goes for the war in iraq, etc. If anything our military is keeping prices higher, cause otherwise iran and Russia could be selling oil products on the global market.
>If everyone understood the true cost of what they enjoy, the world would be a better place.
based and tru
what the FRICK is that!?
>pretend to make a video about EVs
>shove your breasts all over the camera instead
Why are women like this
If I only cared about the subject, id let a man explain it to me. my dad watches her sometimes.
Is that neil breen in drag?
just ban gas and diesel
It's hilarious how I predicted years ago that the anti EV crowd would get louder and louder as gas cars start losing more and more market share. We're not at 10% BEV market share and the anti EV crowd is b***hing more than ever.
I wonder what their Jan 6 moment will be. When market share hits 50%?
>two more weeks!
lol
This! Two more weeks until the decline of gas car sales reverses course.
oh no ev bros!
Lmao did the CRT = gas car analogy mind break you?
lmao update your LLM.
Wait 10 years for battery tech to mature.
I think the next wave of EVs with 500 mile ranges and 15 minute charging will seal the deal for most people. But when those are coming, and when poorgays like us can afford them, might be another 10 years.
Yeah, we could get our electric base load from nuclear in stead of gas... It's a bummer that we aren't doing that, but thankfully I love ICE cars.
My city (a state capitol) only has a bus system, but there are very few busses and my nearest station is a good 30 min walk. Public transport isn't a thing here and I'm fine with that.
Im a block away from the transit center and I sometimes walk over there just for excercise. Probably used a bus 3 or 4 times in the past 12 years. Busses usually look empty. Just $500,000 vehicles with $ 90k/ year drivers getting 3 MPG to haul bums around occasionally.
I don't drive cars because of the Black person problem. Get hit by one uninsured motorist, they run off, enjoy paying out the ass in insurance. Rather take public transit.
I drive a shitbox so if they drive off, I have another dent in my car and insurance doesn't go up
not much, the third world and developing countries are going to use ICE's as they are more readily available and less expensive upfront considering the associated infrastructure costs
Worth mentioning the increasing viability of regenerative biofuels and approach towards scalable carbon neutrality, hybrids are most likely the future with thier longer range and mixed infrastructure dependency being adaptable for the future development shifts in nearly all worldwide
>t. studied biotech in college before shifting to sociology w/ an emphasis on geopolitics
>also, I'm unemployable
>third world and developing countries are going to use ICE's as they are more readily available and less expensive upfront considering the associated infrastructure cost
Other way around, they're buying up chink electric scooters, motorbikes, and rickshaws in droves, often with batteries that can be swapped by hand in a couple minutes
Electricity is a hell of a lot cheaper than gas and it much easier to generate yourself now days than before
>Other way around,
lolno
Are you moronic or just shilling for oil israelites?
they're going to use what they've always used, leftover scraps from the developed world. since EV batteries and motors are piling up in recycling yards they're going to be the ones to repurpose them since that's what will be cheap and available.
>2019
>EV sales skyrocket since then
Crazy how you see more and more of these fear mongering articles as more and more people are buying EVs. Surely it isn't just a certain group of people who feel their lively hood is being threatened
??
An actually cheap car. $16-18k with no dealer markups and 50kWh like the Velite 6 would change a lot of peoples minds.
Make better vehicles that are supposed to do what they're promoted as doing