I'm of the idea that if you're going to run steelies you should embrace it and not cover them with stupid plastic covers, but I'm a sigma male so this opinion may not apply to you.
I always put a fresh rattlecan of gloss black on my steelies before I mount a new tire on them,
I would only have factory chrome hubcaps mounted cause everything else is tacky
Why use steel specifically in an environment that causes rust (rain, snow, road salt)?
Why use an ugly ass set for potentially 1/3 of the year? Your vehicle doesn't become invisible because you turned the page on the calendar.
>steel specifically in an environment that causes rust
Because:
1. Steels don't rustt to catastrophic failure, and is a lot easier to paint
2. Alu generally rusts to bead damage, which is significantly more of a PITA
No, it isn't, because short of caustic aluminum will oxide and protect itself from further damage. It will not outright deteriorate and rot away. My last job was literally chemically etching, adhesion coating and powder/kynar painting aluminum. Now I swim in slabs of it everyday.
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>Hey reddit i work with chemicals AMA
typical alloy beta but at least they fit the blandness of your camry. Let me guess white camry with two tone alloys or worse kia.
I wish they made these in smaller sizes they'll probably discontinue them because no one bought them in 16x7
Like a 15 would be perfect for an NA or EG civic
Good quality aluminum alloy rims are the best. Steel rims are garbage because they rust out, then need to be replaced or welded. Steelies often also weight more than aluminum alloys. Hub caps are bad thing, not a good thing unless you are bad driver who often hits curbstones.
>steelies are lighter than most alloy wheels.
Not from my experiences.Steelies are gay. I prefer to only buy aluminum alloys for my cars, aluminum alloys dont rust. Rust is never beautiful to look.
Why use steel specifically in an environment that causes rust (rain, snow, road salt)?
Why use an ugly ass set for potentially 1/3 of the year? Your vehicle doesn't become invisible because you turned the page on the calendar.
>Aluminum alloys dont rust
Have you ever been up north?
for me, it's the Fumagalli 5-spoke Charger Pursuit steelie
not only do they look amazing with and without chrome hubcaps but they are surprisingly light and offer good brake cooling.
However steelies are really noisy, alloys absorb road noise and vibration better. Also, steel wheels flex a tiny bit and bend instead of breaking, which is why they're better for off-road. Alloys are stiffer and provide sharper steering response when combined with the appropriate tire, but are inherently more fragile.
I can definitely feel the 5lb per wheel weight difference between steel and alloy 14 or 15'' rims when they're on small underpowered shitboxes with weak brakes. Obviously this wouldn't matter as much on a bigger and more powerful vehicle. Steelies have really shitty ventilation but a lot of alloy rims will pack up with snow and ice in the winter and frick up your wheel balance. So it also depends on the application.
If that's the 16x7 mentioned earlier that's 4kg less than any 16x7 I can find, and the 17x7 is the heaviest alloy I've ever seen. Weird eurogay edge cases don't justify steelies, the average steel wheel weighs 30-40% more than the average alloy.
tbh might be a euro thing. As a burger most 16x7 steelies are about 22lbs and most similar alloys are 16lbs. I can't find a full sized steelie under 20lb for sale in the US. Maybe US reqs are for higher weight/speed?
bmw 16x7 steelies are 18 lbs and the cast aluminum 16x7 wheels that came stock are 25.7 lbs. I bought 20 lb 17x8 forged wheels.
you can see wheel weights in the parts catalog, bmwfans.info
Steel is better for everything except for performance. Normal people should have relatively smaller steel rims with more sidewall. People who take their car to the track should have alloy rims with relatively low sidewall.
Steel can be repaired if you hit a curb, aluminum must be replaced. Don't call it fricking "alloy" it's aluminum, the shit they make soda cans out of. The only reason they use them is to save weight and cost.
>what are M16A1s, A2s, M4s, Block I and Block IIs, URGI variants, and other AR15 derivatives like the 416 >Sudanese and Portuguese AR-10s >Beretta 92 variants, CZ P0-1s, SIG P226s >later SIG 55x series guns had aluminum lower receivers >others I forget
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and Portuguese AR-10s
fricking hell ive always wanted one of these
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oh you meant some western crap, whatever then
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>The most effective and prolific guns in service >Yeah well all of those don't count because I love Russian wiener
Guns are milled from a single piece of weapon grade aluminum, rims aren't. It's good if you have forged alloys on your shitbox, but most alloys are cheap Chinese castings. Even manufacturers like BMW or Mercedes don’t put forged rims on 80% of their cars
Ikr every kia forte comes with these cringe alloys. Everytime i see alloys especially dual tone I know its somebody poor trying to look rich especially aftermarket alloys its just so cringe lmao.swapping them for the better option (steel) actually takes some investment, effort and intelligence (doing the research to realize that alloys are just the cheaper, lower qualitt cost cuttting method)
Ikr every kia forte comes with these cringe alloys. Everytime i see alloys especially dual tone I know its somebody poor trying to look rich especially aftermarket alloys its just so cringe lmao.swapping them for the better option (steel) actually takes some investment, effort and intelligence (doing the research to realize that alloys are just the cheaper, lower qualitt cost cuttting method)
I cracked two alloys on my subaru on these shit ass nortgern kentucky roads.
I was texting while driving hitting nasty potholes. Anyway 2nd time I just said frick it and got the base trim steelies. Wanted a new set of tires anyway. Best decision of my life.
>poor vs not poor
I'm of the idea that if you're going to run steelies you should embrace it and not cover them with stupid plastic covers, but I'm a sigma male so this opinion may not apply to you.
they look better without the stupid plastic, but I'm the kind of person who prefers utilitarian vehicles.
ditto
I always put a fresh rattlecan of gloss black on my steelies before I mount a new tire on them,
I would only have factory chrome hubcaps mounted cause everything else is tacky
bet you feel a little silly now
that's beta behavior, different cap on every wheel is the real sugma play
it depends
>Let's settle this.
You need to provide context, under what situation do you envisage their use.
Steel = winter wheels
Alloys = summer/fall wheels
Simple as.
Steel for off-roading.
Alloys for coastal locations.
Why use steel specifically in an environment that causes rust (rain, snow, road salt)?
Why use an ugly ass set for potentially 1/3 of the year? Your vehicle doesn't become invisible because you turned the page on the calendar.
>steel specifically in an environment that causes rust
Because:
1. Steels don't rustt to catastrophic failure, and is a lot easier to paint
2. Alu generally rusts to bead damage, which is significantly more of a PITA
Aluminum doesn't rust moron.
Alu oxides, which is just rust for non iron.
No, it isn't, because short of caustic aluminum will oxide and protect itself from further damage. It will not outright deteriorate and rot away. My last job was literally chemically etching, adhesion coating and powder/kynar painting aluminum. Now I swim in slabs of it everyday.
>Hey reddit i work with chemicals AMA
typical alloy beta but at least they fit the blandness of your camry. Let me guess white camry with two tone alloys or worse kia.
Because of THIS. Snow packs into the alloys wheel and causes wheel imbalance. You've probably never driven in a snowstorm, aren't you?
>pic
>the gap between the wheel and the rotor
That's what you get if you go for Black persony options
where are your lug nuts brother
It's a BMW, they use lug bolts instead.
i hate this, felt like i had a blow out when i got on the highway
My Bassett steelies get packed full of mud when I rally, they aren't perfect.
Thanks doc
>low profile winter tires
how stupid can a person be
>BMW owner
makes sense
Alloys = summer season
Smaller Alloys = winter season
Simple as.
Steelies for my shitbox.
Alloys for the truck.
Spokes for my motorcycle.
I love steelies.
Really the best.
Who doesn't love steelies?
I wish they made these in smaller sizes they'll probably discontinue them because no one bought them in 16x7
Like a 15 would be perfect for an NA or EG civic
a man of taste
i prefer steelies without holes tbh.
>i prefer steelies without holes tbh.
Idiot. How the hell are you supposed to mount them to the hub, huh???
there's a comfiness to them that's something else
Alloys all day every day, even if I drove a shitbox, which I don’t. It’s literally the one place where weight matters.
cast<steel<forged
Disagree? >>>/n/
370z wheels are sexy
There, I said it
Good quality aluminum alloy rims are the best. Steel rims are garbage because they rust out, then need to be replaced or welded. Steelies often also weight more than aluminum alloys. Hub caps are bad thing, not a good thing unless you are bad driver who often hits curbstones.
steelies are lighter than most alloy wheels
putting boomer frisbees on your steelies is mega gay
>steelies are lighter than most alloy wheels.
Not from my experiences.Steelies are gay. I prefer to only buy aluminum alloys for my cars, aluminum alloys dont rust. Rust is never beautiful to look.
Not only are you misinformed, you are also a homosexual.
>Aluminum alloys dont rust
Have you ever been up north?
>steelies are lighter than most alloy wheels
moron
let's see your sources gay b***h
100 pounds of aluminum is lighter than 100 pounds of steel, because aluminum is lighter than steel
Aluminum is used in manufacturing because you can have the same weight as steel but stronger or the same weight as steel but lighter.
And you're not in a raceway.
18 pounds vs 21 pounds is not going to make a difference in fuel mileage or acceleration between stoplights.
how can it be the same weight as steel but lighter at the same time
I meant same strength as steel but lighter- I'm lazy and don't proofread.
>steelies are magic and don't collect snow.
>1200px-Snow_Chain_Honda.jpg (233 KB, 1200x900)
There is no snow inside the wheel
That would just fall off if it had wheel trims it wouldn't be there in the first place
Quit living in a shithole state that salts. My steel rallys are older than you and they're virtually rust free.
>north east
>a shithole
Lmao cope. Hope you enjoy living around nogs for the rest of your days. Always looking over your shoulder.
North East absolutely is a shithole. Not sure where you're implying I'm at but around here we simply have black people, dindus are not of concern.
Left one looks like it won't destroy my spine on the roads around here, so it wins.
it depends
for me, it's the Fumagalli 5-spoke Charger Pursuit steelie
not only do they look amazing with and without chrome hubcaps but they are surprisingly light and offer good brake cooling.
However steelies are really noisy, alloys absorb road noise and vibration better. Also, steel wheels flex a tiny bit and bend instead of breaking, which is why they're better for off-road. Alloys are stiffer and provide sharper steering response when combined with the appropriate tire, but are inherently more fragile.
How do you chrome wheels ?
if i had steelies id chrome them and keep them mirror shiny
Steel is an alloy
Baka
Steel is better for a beater, a truck, a van, or anything you do work with. Alloy is better for showing off so its better for sports cars and sedans.
I can definitely feel the 5lb per wheel weight difference between steel and alloy 14 or 15'' rims when they're on small underpowered shitboxes with weak brakes. Obviously this wouldn't matter as much on a bigger and more powerful vehicle. Steelies have really shitty ventilation but a lot of alloy rims will pack up with snow and ice in the winter and frick up your wheel balance. So it also depends on the application.
luv me factory covers
A shitbox would feel wrong with aluminum wheels
Don't mine me and my fricking Speedlines. Yeah just like a Ferrari.
REMINDER: If it can't pull off steelies, it doesn't deserve alloys! You just have an ugly car. Simple as.
what is that ugly pos
backwards subaru outback with the tail chopped down
VW Beetle.
Here:
7x16" steel + 195/45R16 = 14kg
7x17" alloy (OEM) + 195/40R17 = 18.4kg
My OEM 17x7s are 9kg
17x7 rpf1s are 6.5kg
What fricking OEM 17x7 are you quoting?
>What fricking OEM 17x7 are you quoting?
Anyway, 195/40R17 tires suck (old, sidewalls too small).
Much better in 195/45R16, and 195/50R15 on circuit.
Give me a hard source on any of that, It sounds like complete bullshit.
*racetrack, sorry 😮
70 profile tyres are the best for maximum fun racing
Oh you included the tires and changed sizes just to obfuscate the real argument.
What steelie is that light with what tire? Your number looks close to what most weigh -without- a tire so likely just wrong numbers.
What does the covers do? I've just ran the wheels as they come
Why do steel wheels all look so similar to each other? They all have an almost solid face with tiny circles in them. Why not more variety?
Mass manufacturing probably, making them in the 10s of millions is probably easier when there's just one certified-to-work mould
OEM steelie for Twingo RS weigh 7.9kg.
If that's the 16x7 mentioned earlier that's 4kg less than any 16x7 I can find, and the 17x7 is the heaviest alloy I've ever seen. Weird eurogay edge cases don't justify steelies, the average steel wheel weighs 30-40% more than the average alloy.
I find a lot of 7x16" steel rims that weigh around 8-9kg~
7x16" for Volvo S60 : 8.7kg
Not surprisingly, the rim for my small vehicle is light.
tbh might be a euro thing. As a burger most 16x7 steelies are about 22lbs and most similar alloys are 16lbs. I can't find a full sized steelie under 20lb for sale in the US. Maybe US reqs are for higher weight/speed?
bmw 16x7 steelies are 18 lbs and the cast aluminum 16x7 wheels that came stock are 25.7 lbs. I bought 20 lb 17x8 forged wheels.
you can see wheel weights in the parts catalog, bmwfans.info
full on rusted steelies, frick the haters.
dont you dare put a plastic cover over them, embrace them love them.
Take the Bassett pill
Steel is better for everything except for performance. Normal people should have relatively smaller steel rims with more sidewall. People who take their car to the track should have alloy rims with relatively low sidewall.
Steel can be repaired if you hit a curb, aluminum must be replaced. Don't call it fricking "alloy" it's aluminum, the shit they make soda cans out of. The only reason they use them is to save weight and cost.
A lot of guns fielded by major military powers are made out of aluminum too
And they're durable
Are they though? I don't see "major military power" rifle relics anywhere. I do see a shit-ton of AK-47s though
>what are M16A1s, A2s, M4s, Block I and Block IIs, URGI variants, and other AR15 derivatives like the 416
>Sudanese and Portuguese AR-10s
>Beretta 92 variants, CZ P0-1s, SIG P226s
>later SIG 55x series guns had aluminum lower receivers
>others I forget
and Portuguese AR-10s
fricking hell ive always wanted one of these
oh you meant some western crap, whatever then
>The most effective and prolific guns in service
>Yeah well all of those don't count because I love Russian wiener
Also you know,
Aircraft.
Guns are milled from a single piece of weapon grade aluminum, rims aren't. It's good if you have forged alloys on your shitbox, but most alloys are cheap Chinese castings. Even manufacturers like BMW or Mercedes don’t put forged rims on 80% of their cars
my shitbox came with alloys that look like hubcaps
lamo I would ditch those so fast
PSA has nice OEM steelies too
I want nice steelies like these but can’t find them in a 14-15 inch size and 4x114.3 with a negative to 10+ offset.
Steel because alloys are for poor people
Ikr every kia forte comes with these cringe alloys. Everytime i see alloys especially dual tone I know its somebody poor trying to look rich especially aftermarket alloys its just so cringe lmao.swapping them for the better option (steel) actually takes some investment, effort and intelligence (doing the research to realize that alloys are just the cheaper, lower qualitt cost cuttting method)
Wonderful bait fellas
Steelies win on cost. Also bend back into shape for bad roads.
If none of those apply, go alloy and go as light as use case allows.
I cracked two alloys on my subaru on these shit ass nortgern kentucky roads.
I was texting while driving hitting nasty potholes. Anyway 2nd time I just said frick it and got the base trim steelies. Wanted a new set of tires anyway. Best decision of my life.
>Steelies look better
>Dont crack
Steelies are the white mans choice
Bling bling muh alloys are for Black person altimas (thats why they come stock)
Anon, lower unsprung mass is good for everything.
>Steel vs Alloy
Wood