Here's everything that's new:
* Starting price: $52,990
* 0-60mph: 2.9s (vs 3.1s in old version)
* Range: 296 miles
* Top Speed: 163 mph
* Adaptive Suspension: Powered by in-house software. Gives enhanced body control, without sacrificing daily usability or comfort.
* All-new high-performance drive units deliver 500+ horsepower.
* Track Mode V3: All-new calibration for the powertrain and adaptive suspension.
* Ventilated Sports Seats: New seat design with enhanced side and cushion bolsters.
* Performance Chassis
* Forged Performance Wheels: Lightweight, staggered wheels provide sharper turn-in response, improved predictability, increased traction out of corners and optimized aerodynamics.
* High-Performance Brakes: Enhanced pedal feel and improved heat management.
* Exclusive to Model 3 Performance, redesigned front and rear fascias, rear diffuser and carbon fibre spoiler.
* Carbon Fibre Details: Lightweight carbon fibre interior décor and refined weave pattern.
What do we think, bros?
Buy an ad.
New sport seats
That's a really sexy interior
Pic is a Model S but seats look like they'll be the same.
these EV interiors, especially tesla are so barebones and souless
The performance dropped? Why would I buy it then? I want a performant car.
>Some gay Maytag appliance homosexualry
Ok. Take it to /n/, israelite.
no one cares
Definitely seems like a real performance bargain in the current market.
I'm just not sure this is the product Tesla needs. It still uses the old NMC 2170 batteries, when Chinese brands have already moved on to semi-solid-state cells made with cheaper and more common materials and almost 50% more capacity.
>Chinese brands have already moved on to semi-solid-state cells made with cheaper and more common materials and almost 50% more capacity.
But can they produce them at a scale equivalent to Tesla?
Reportedly they are at GWh scale already and multiple brands have launched cars with the new 360Wh/kg cells which are about 40% more energy dense than the cells Tesla is still using.
Of course the whole reason Tesla was supposed to switch to the 4680 was increased power density in addition to energy density, but it doesn't seem like they've fully delivered on that yet.
All the 4680s are used in their best selling cars. Model Y
Car doesn't care about cell level density, but pack level density. Further it cares about system level density.
They do 2170 for performance cause there's more power (for performance) they can pull at any given time.
Is it available in men's yet?
the only people i know still driving manuals are teenage girls in their first car
this never happens
It literally does, everyone in bongland has a manual first car because if you pass in an auto you get a moron licence
>bongs
>people
Wow, all those Paki girls got a loicense to drive that manual?
the only people i know still driving manuals are the guys on their way to the local track
go figure
you dont know anyone that tracks their car and you dont have a track within 20miles of your suburb
Must just be your area.
Only the women at the company I work for can't drive manual.
Them and the filipino that think watches and shoes are for masculine men. Quite telling.
How exactly do you picture this working in an electric car?
>Electric car
Maybe you missed the part where that anon asked if they would be making a version for men.
I'm curious about how the torque pull is. Is it like the plaid where it just continuously pulls till 163 mph? Or is it like the older EVs where it floats ~120 mph. Its supposed to be Plaid downsized to Model 3 form factor. So it would be ground breaking if its got the similar unending pull
There's already some reviews out. Gonna go watch them to see if they comment on the driving experience.
2024! This is the year we beat the 2010 Range Rover, tessie sisters!
>BTG
Not even a full lap KEEEEEEEEEEK
Right, it was a guy in his own car on a public day. Doesn't even make sense to have it on there with professional drivers on a closed course.
>Golf 4 faster then Tesla
How, just how is that even possible?
>Uncredited driver
Hold on, I'm about to drive 5 mph around a track and set a time.
>turbo corsa
What's the source on this?
he wont tell you because it shows the plaid destroying stripped down 2 door sports cars as a 4 door luxobarge
The 2023 model s plaid with track pack is slower than a C6 zo6, and much slower than a 2018 camero Zl1. There’s also too many German sedans and coupes faster than the 2023 plaid I don’t care to name them all. Being slower than a C6 is still not bad, but shows how incredibly far behind Tesla is in any preformence metric that doesn’t involve sprinting the length of a parking lot. The new model 3s while fast to 60 is multiple seconds slower to 120 than a new base V8 mustang. EVs are not the best at racing or motor sports, they’re simply a 0-60 gimmick I pad on wheels. The funko pop of the automotive world.
>4 door self driving luxobarge you refuel at home for pennies is slightly slower than a 2 door sports car
wow...
You forget the tesla is marketed with its 0-60, like all sports cars. and regarded by many normies as the “fastest car ever”, ignoring the fact it’s slow compared to vehicles half its price In not only track times, but acceleration past 60, like 0-120. Its track times reflect that weaker upper end and its shortcomings. It’s not actually fast where true high speed acceleration or actual driving dynamics are conceded. Just letting you know sweetie Xp
> slower than a 2 door sports car
It’s also slower than 4 door German luxonarge cars from 10 years ago sweetie Xp
It’s literally Wikipedia’s list of production car Nurburgring lap times.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_N%C3%BCrburgring_Nordschleife_lap_times
It’s hilarious the more you read into it. A base Tesla model 3 is slower than a first production year 350z and 90s corvettes and muscle cars. The new p85d Tesla is slower than a 2010 M3.
>The new p85d Tesla
That is one of the oldest Model S Performance versions, and you are comparing a big full size luxury sedan to much lighter cars in other categories.
There has still not been a pro driver on a closed course to set a Nurburgring time with the Model 3. The rules changes at the ring have made it much more difficult to set fast times in recent years which is why the records from 10+ years ago are so hard to beat.
Only manufacturers can afford to run their production cars for official records. The days of modified race cars set up specifically for the Ring by small teams to set records are over.
Pure cope. The p85d was a 2018 still slower than sport sedans almost ten years older than itself. The plaid still gets shit on by ancient cars half its price. Comfort yourself upon hearing this information however you need to.
>The plaid still gets shit on by ancient cars half its price.
So do all the other executive luxury cars in its class.
10 years ago small companies like Unplugged or McMurtry could have just turned up at a industry development day and had their professional driver set an official record. They can't do it anymore. So the little guys are out.
For the big guys the unfortunate reality of the car market right now, is nobody is really investing in competitive sports car platforms anymore. C8 seems to have been the last major new platform launch.
Companies are currently either just selling minor revisions of their old cars, partnering with other companies to make cars that aren't actually that competitive but fill the sports car niche, or hyping a car that is still years away.
The new Porsche 983, whatever they decide to call it is the next one to look forward to, but it isn't clear if they'll offer it in a race spec.
The FIA have been saying for years they would have an electric GT class, but they have been dragging their heels. Nobody is going to sell electric GT cars if there is no electric GT series with a spec for homologation.
>So do all the other executive luxury cars in its class.
Last time I checked no executive luxury cars were sent to the nuburger with a track pack. Now that I think about it no executive luxury sedans have track equipment options from the dealers.
Are you just trolling? Look at the list of Nurburgring times. It is such a common thing complaining about executive luxury cars getting ruined by the Ring became one of James May's signature bits. Almost all of them have track packages these days.
>Look at the list of Nurburgring times
I did, and literally posted them for you too. Someone said I won’t post the times:
because the plaid “destroys” sports cars, I simply proved its not even C6 corvette fast, and the seethe has not ended.
The Tessie gets gaped and fisted by cars much older than it and much cheaper than it. This is all. Continue to be mad pls lol
>Range: 296 miles
Ahahaha my 40 year old car does better
Fricking this. My Fiesta has a 12.5 gallon tank and I still get 350 miles from a fill up. A 60k "sports car" that takes hours to charge should do better than that.
>60k
It's 45k after tax credits. It also doesn't take hours to charge but of course you already knew that.
EVs are trash
>0-60 in under 3 seconds for $53k
There's absolutely nothing ICEBlack folk can do except cope lmao
What about 60-120? Can icegays do that?
>can ICE cars go 60 to 120mph?
Oh no no no no C8 bros
Damn, look at how many people give a shit
Can you turn on the AC?
I don't know man, 0-60 in 7s for $3K is pretty good aswell. I can then use the 50K for something else, like towing my shitbox off the side of the road
It's actually $45k after the point of sale tax credit.
Why would I buy a car from a manufacturer that will be bankrupt some time next year?
>Buy car on finance
>Tesla goes bankrupt
>Stop repayments and keep the car
>Tesla goes bankrupt
>final code push bricks all cars
>zero litigation about a legal obligation to keep software services running on things purchased
But who's writing the code to brick the cars after Elon fired all the engineers?
Dead man's trigger. The feature exists, but there's always a man pressing a button labeled 'not today'
>t-ttesla will die this t-time i swear
True
Musk shouldn’t have bucked the ESG guys
How much does the optional stalks option cost?
I’m not getting a car without stalks
I don't see what the big deal is. I got used to it on a 5 minute test drive.
i'll consider one of these in 2 years when i can get a used one for 25k
Buy an ad
checked it out and.. It's cheaper than the plebian long range if you're eligible for tax credit. The frick? What a clownass company they can't even tier things properly rumao
still not at a price point that is feasible for most buyers
no "most buyers" should ever buy a car that can go 0-60 in 3 seconds
My ideal scenario is a teen girl looking at her phone at a stoplight and the light changed and someone honks, she gets scared and then she floors it into traffic or a building.
>Range: 296 miles
Imagine believing this. Take it on the freeway and you'll get less than half of that.
t. knower
Skill issue. Drive better.
>what's the point of performance if I can't floor it all the time
Take it to the track then, no car is originally made to terrorize commuters
>no car is originally made to terrorize commuters
wrong
rent free
>no car is originally made to terrorize commuters
i literally just had a model 3 try and race me not 10 minutes ago
he left the gas station before me and waited just to show off his acceleration, he was that emasculated by the v6 chally wally
i stayed at a law abiding 45 because i know where the cops hide and that moron is lucky they happened to not be at their usual spot.
>it only has 5 times the range the average american drives per day
>EVchuds BTFO!
>5 days a week i drive 50 miles round trip for work
>1 day a week i drive 10 miles around town for shopping and activities
>1 day a week i drive 400 miles round trip into the woods to fish/hike/camp/hunt
"hurr ur average trip is perfectly fine for an EV ignore the fact that this means you now can't leave your urban 30 mile radius containment zone and have to get rid of ur hobbies and vacations"
the average american doesnt drive 400 miles once per week to fish and hunt, nor is anyone suggesting you to use a model 3 performance as a fishing/hunting vehicle
this take is so stupid i think you might actually be moronic lol
They're right though. Why does an EV have to be the only car youre allowed to own? Why does it have to be a swiss army knife car that does everything for everyone?
if you already own a car then it would be more economical and environmentally friendly to simply use that car for everything instead of buying a second car to do some of the things that your other car already does for you. please stop wasting my time with these idiotic takes.
What if you don't already own a car or what if you want to get a new one?
then don't buy a car that can't do everything you need..
seriously are you moronic
a model 3 performance will do what 90% of americans need though
circular moron logic is not an effective debate strategy fyi
i think you are confused. in this instance, a model 3 goes about 200-300 miles depending on circumestances
the average american never drives that in a day
hence:
the average american would be perfectly suited with a model 3
It can do everything I need. I'm not the larper who claims to drive 1000 miles a week.
I worked with an old dude that drove from South Carolina to Mississippi twice a month to check on his property there.
Going to Costco is a 100mi round trip for me.
EVs are great for city folk but lose their worth the more remote it gets. The town I live in has 2 charging spots. One is at the Nissan dealer and the other is at the Continental tire factory.
>I worked with an old dude that drove from South Carolina to Mississippi twice a month to check on his property there.
Sounds like an easy trip to make with modern long-range EVs. Especially if he owns property there. Just plugged one of the newest generation of EVs in and it says 746 miles from two of the most distant locations in that state top up right before leaving, arrive at 20%.
It is only a ~750 mile trip, that's no problem for the new generation of long range electric cars. I don't understand the obsession with long range myself, but cars are popping up to serve the demand for it.
Older generation cars would probably need a stop or two, but then again so would most people and there's a bunch of fast chargers to make that trip so even cheap used EVs could do it.
>Going to Costco is a 100mi round trip for me.
How is that relevant? Costco still doesn't even host EV chargers, at least not any I've ever been to. Gas stations like Costco's are going to be in trouble when they're doing as little business as fast chargers.
>EVs are great for city folk
On the contrary, EVs suck for cities. Nobody there owns property, and nobody has private parking. They are big markets that sit at ports or at the end of pipelines that deliver fuel right to them so they also aren't as affected by supply chain issues that can really screw over rural areas.
Out here in the boonies away from the coasts fuel has to be trucked in, and if they miss a shipment it can be days before another one arrives. EVs make the most sense for the rural Midwest. We could be really energy independent if we kicked the oil habit.
>Reduce your fossil fuel use by 40% or more simply by buying a used Leaf or Volt.
>NO! That isn't Ecological! You have to stay FULLY DEPENDENT on gas!
Makes you wonder who is funding the disinfo campaign people here are buying into. EVs for daily use already makes sense for an enthusiast who owns multiple cars as well as for the general public who do not care what they drive or even if they drive as long as they can get where they need to go.
i'm an enthusiast who owns multiple cars and i will never buy an electric car. cry about it.
If you want to put your balls in the hands of Mohammad Bin Salman and ignore other options that is up to you.
Just don't complain about it when he twists them. You were warned.
the united states produces more oil than we consume. we are a net exporter. keep crying.
Thanks Biden. That is all the more reason to drive electric.
Just like the Nordic countries it doesn't make sense for us to burn oil we could sell.
Big oil owns most renewables as well. They aren't really in the oil business as much as the energy business as a whole. They didn't get rich by being fools.
>I'm spending more money to do the exact same thing as you. Cry about it.
low iq post
>Gets ideologically checkmated
>Resorts to personal attacks
i didn't attack you i attacked your post. you should have realized that but since you didn't this is now another low iq post from you. i will give you one more chance to wow me with your intellect.
A post is inherently personal since it is compromised entirely by a person.
i'll compromise your anus in a second
Don't threaten me with a good time~
by that standard any reply to anyone's posts would be considered a personal attack. strike 3 you're out, see ya bud.
Dude... For some people, the payments on a second hand EVs are LESS than the monthly gasoline bill. I don't think people realize how much money they spend on gas.
I buy the argument.
Which is why the ~500km BEVs are popular
And the ~300km BEVs are stuck in being sold for specific professions. Such as urban beaters for tradies, or commute shitboxes like the Renault Zoe or the Leaf.
You're right. EVs are great as second cars for people who have heated garages. Now all we have to do is get everyone a house and two cars and we'll save the environment through consumerism.
Anyone buying EVs to "save the environment" is a fricking moron
EV adoption has already made a measurable improvement to air quality.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S135223102200557X
LOL
All this study proves is that tires suck and should be more strictly regulated. The Tesla Model 3 is lighter than its ICE competitors.
LOL
The Model 3 competes with the BMW 3 Series and Mercedes C Class, not the Camry and Accord.
LMFAO
based, frick the environment and I'll take that 2.9 0-60
Tire particles are toxic?
I guess I better stop doing burn outs
Tesla’s strategy should have been to bundle their cars with other gas cars.
Once most people get their first taste of a Tessie they realize how outdated every other car feels.
The main thing holding people back right now is FUD, which could be neutralized by a bundle deal.
Also they should aggressively increase the branding for their charge stations.
Make it so that Tesla’s logo is on every interstate pit stop sign.
When people drive past a gas station, no particular car brand comes to mind.
When you drive past a Tesla station you get reminded of the brand.
>1 day a week i drive 400 miles round trip into the woods to fish/hike/camp/hunt
but why
This is every anti-EV shill on DA. They always live in some remote outpost in Montana and have to drive 50-75k miles a year. They think that because an EV isn't suitable for them personally, it's also not suitable for anyone on Earth, despite the fact that most people only drive an average of 15k miles per year. Also if you don't take a minimum 2000 mile roadtrip every month then you don't have a real life and you're just a own nothing city dwelling rat/bug.
>They think that because an EV isn't suitable for them personally, it's also not suitable for anyone on Earth
Where did anon say that?
You BEV shills are insufferable.
because i like the woods.
cope. it could be a weekly trip to the mountains, a monthly trip to a parent's house, a yearly trip to florida. consumers will not limit their mobility with their vehicle choice as that's the #1 reason for purchasing the vehicle in the first place. however i will happily watch you homosexuals seethe about this until you're blue in the face.
you don't have woods that aren't 200 miles away?
If you love the mountains so much then move there.
If it's once a month then rent a car.
If it's once a year then fly.
There's so many options.
You don't have to buy an electric car if you don't want one but to act like electric cars aren't viable for 90% of the population is being intentionally dense. Maybe they won't work for the 10% of extreme cases but that's okay. They don't have to be the only car that everyone on earth owns.
cope.
>Gasoline 98%
>2022 vehicle registrations
So the 99% figure people here constantly repeat is already at least 2 years out of date.
??
Looks like that is limiting to just BEVs rather than being inclusive of PHEVs like the previous post.
The previous chart also wasn't simply Pure Internal Combustion numbers, as it included HEVs.
i really hope for your sake you're a chat gpt or something because i am starting to think you're moronic.
You don't have to be a robot to recognize that you are trying to cherry-pick information to fit your preferred narrative.
you asked about some '99% figure people here constantly repeat'
i provided you with the information that figure presumably refers to
this image
lumps electric cars with hybrids
this image
does not
i posted it to explain the disparity you think you're seeing
jesus i feel like a sped teacher lol
>lumps electric cars with hybrids
No, it includes BEVs and PHEVs, which are both types of Electric Vehicles
>i posted it to explain the disparity you think you're seeing
No, you are being dishonest with the information to try to force the narrative that EVs are under 1%.
The 99% figure you want to insist on, also include Hybrid Electric Vehicles which are not Pure Internal Combustion vehicles.
dude i can't even deal with you lol
Look if you want to cling to out of date information, or look at information that cherry-picks information dishonestly I'm going to point it out.
>The 99% figure you want to insist on
dude you're the one who brought that up not me lol i'm just trying to help you
>California, DC
lol, you can tell who's buying them. Political virtue signal tool like the Prius of yore.
>I'm captain libtard and I'm saving the planet buying this open mined lithium vehicle!
Not perfect, but put it in perspective. A few kg of lithium filtered out of salty brine once, vs being dependent on the delivery of 1500kg of fuel every year.
You really think people are just 'virtue signalling'? People do it because being conservative with your resource dependence saves money.
This country needs to get back to actual conservatism, not this weird wasteful conspicuous consumption culture war crap.
Just remember who you are talking to on DA when they start shilling for trucks and big oil.
Dude, you're not seeing the whole picture. The future is to lock people geophysically. Though even that is a stretch. There are many other concerns other than cars for the minority kniving evil israelites. The ones I've known were from the majority. The Talmud is the shit the 10% butthole israelites MISSUSE and use to link to the Torah to bastardize their own religion. Their own misunderstanding of their own religion and beliefs is why they are so heavy into hurting people, especially us Goys. People who post like this on X are part of that minority frickfest of a once great religion (arguably leading to two other great ones, not that those few would let you know that).
Now back to cars, EVs;
Aight, but real miles are just range minus 100, when its cold, or intemperate for the sensors and cells onboard.
ICE cars;
Full range, means capability(ies) in an emergency.
Verdict:
both are great revolutions in the way we humans travel, and I would be proud to own both, a phev, or use a bullet trian in we actually had quality ones here in Amerifat.
p.s. EVs for the forseeable, not really the future, try putting one around a tight bend with that ultra-rigidity and fricked weight bias. Batteries NEED TO BE LIGHTER!
You don't know what virtue signaling means.
>the average american
i thought it's all about standing out, how dare you call us average?
It’s funny how this is hands down the fastest car 50k will buy you, and yet it manages to be so uninteresting that sales are stalled.
Heck, give me a Miata with a tesla powertrain and I’m so fricking sold, just take my money.
Tesla is like early Honda, great powertrain, shit everything else.
They could have hired some SRT engineers when FCA got dissolved for 5 dollars each to teach how to design a fun car to drive.
Couldn't care less about gaymobiles mate
Instead of performance why not focus on getting better range and lower ingredients prices?
everyone keeps bragging about acceleration, yet every tesla driver i see drives 20mph under the speed limit.
something smells...
after watching a couple youtoob reviews, i'm actually kind of intrigued by this. it looks like they fixed the fricking shit seats tesla normally uses, but the steering wheel is still moronic. this severely undercuts the ionig 5 n-word so bad, that car is probably DOA
https://techcrunch.com/2024/04/23/tesla-profits-drop-55-company-says-ev-sales-under-pressure-from-hybrids/
Ugly, slow, gay
>>>/n/
How good are Tesla Model 3's at keeping long term? (about 10-15 years) I see these going for sub $30k and thinking of getting one of these instead of a normal gas car.
The oldest Model 3s are 7 years old. There haven't been any mass reports of issues.
The sub 30k figure is factoring in 5 years of calculated fuel savings, kek
They're generally pretty reliable as long as you follow the recommended 80% daily charge limit. They don't have very many issues and the batteries retain about 90% life after 200,000 miles.
Life retention isn't linear though, it's a cliff. As soon as you start falling off it, you'll rapidly see 80%, then 50%, then nothing.
They are going to maintain their value so long Solid State Batteries don't entrench the entire market.
Even then they are not model X, which means:
-No random water damage. Either you get it in warranty early, or the sealant is applied correctly at factory
-Possible to buy 18' for more range and cheaper tires down the line
-Only expensive realistically breakable part is the AC, and ACs on shitboxes regularly survive for untold years of service
-Barely any brake wear, but enough that they don't turn to rust
-Might have to pay for satnav updates down the line
-Highland still shares 95% of the parts with the oldest 3's. Which means when things breaks, you pay for the newer model of steering wheel/suspension/headlights/etc
-Still one of the most comfortable cars on the market to drive 160-240% of its range. Even more so if you bother to noise insulate the outside of the wheel wells
>They are going to maintain their value
LOL
Yes anon
What do you think those words mean?
Could it have something to do with the elaboration? Or the low service costs? Or people blindly trying to pawn of their vehicles at set magic numbers?
hey man, i just heard you say that a $50k car which is getting trade-in values close to $10k a mere 5 years/80k miles later is 'going to maintain its value' and that was really funny to me and make me laugh out loud so i wanted to share lol
I know you aren't old enough to remember, but a lot of very popular cars went through this exact thing. This is the dip, if you ever think you want a Model 3 now is the time to buy.
This is the next "I know what I've got" car. There are millions of them, lots of parts cars, lots of potential projects.
I hate to agree with a teslagay but this is probably correct. Funny it's happening when they're still so new though. NA/NB Miata hit the bottom of their depreciation curve a couple years ago, are appreciating in value, and now all the poorgays that missed the boat are seething. Sorry, that's what happens when literally everyone treats desirable cars like cheap disposable garbage for 25 years, now there aren't many clean ones left. We watched it happen to S13s and people still did the same shit to Miatas and are shocked Pikachu face-ing that they're expensive now.
>Funny it's happening when they're still so new
A couple factors there, they really aren't that new anymore. Those cars are 5 or 6 years old, and most of them are close to 100k miles.
A lot of people still believe the crap that EV batteries only last 100k miles, and cost $50k by themselves which depresses the price.
As people realize these cars have better batteries than the first-gen cars, or 3rd party Model 3 upgrade packs start to appear the price will bounce back up.
Especially now that they are so cheap hobbyists can start to buy them as project vehicles. Expect to see more Model 3s turned into track toys, rally cars, and other off-road vehicles.
This really is the modern incarnation of the VW Beetle. A lot of people hated them, then they were cheap and people did all kinds of fun things with them, then the price rebounded.
>Expect to see more Model 3s turned into track toys, rally cars, and other off-road vehicles.
This is hilarious to me as a hillclimb racer for so many reasons lol. Nobody will be rallying these things.
>replying to yourself
lol. anyway since t*slas are just full of batteries and electric parts they're more tech gadgets than cars, so they'll depreciate like phones and laptops. ie they'll be worth third world scrap value as soon as they're obsolete. you won't be seeing them in collector's garages, you'll be seeing fields of their circuits and batteries being picked apart by little pakistani kids to get recycled into rickshaws and tuk tuks.
I agree but there are some problems with this theory.
1. The 400v system isn’t as good as the 800V system in Audis or Porsche or the new Model 3.
2. Tesla does a stupid thing where they update the care every week on the fly so lots of BS parts and chaos in the car. Who knows which ones are good or bad. Not even Tesla
3. The interior isn’t bad, people saying it’s cheap are stupid, it’s simple and light weight and nothing is wrong with it. Just a matter of how those screens age
4. Paint and colors are boring
5. They don’t do any racing and it’s simply a factor for collectibity
6. Musk defied the ESG gods and they pulled out of Tesla.
7. No LsD
>The 400v system isn’t as good as the 800V system in Audis or Porsche
That is true, but how often is that actually an issue, and at least right now all the 800v systems are still in heavier cars that are less efficient so the end result fast charging is about the same miles added.
>the new Model 3
Last I knew Model 3, even the latest Highland refresh was still 400v. The Performance got the motor out of a Model S, but it is the standard Model S motor which is still 400v and not the Plaid with its new 1000v system.
>Just a matter of how those screens age
The screens at least are easily replaceable. I also suspect a lot of Model 3 project cars will get the 3rd-party performance dashboards already on the market.
>Paint and colors are boring
Not like a lot of modern cars come from the factory in exciting colors. Wraps and third-party paint jobs aren't that uncommon. Collectors might care about factory paint, but project car owners often don't.
>They don’t do any racing
Tesla themselves don't, but there are third-party teams competing at major short-form events every year, and they are in the racing video games which may be as important.
If you watch the Japanese electric car racing series at all, it is still dominated by tuned Model 3s.
>400v system isn’t as good as the 800V system
There is still no mass adapted 800v system yet
Just like there are no mass adapted Solid State Batteries.
You could make a argument for 800v based on charging, but the trip planner already do away with most of that need, even if double or triple speed over the slowest models are neat.
>Tesla new parts randomly
Yes. But they don't change the mounting points
If anything, this is good because it means you can upgrade the car to the newer suspension/dampeners, refit into a newer trunk door, and even steal a new audio system from a scrapped one, and just bolt it on.
You can also retrofit a Octovalve AC system to a older Model 3, if you can find a good scrapped one. So long you can setup the software.
bro wtf are you talking about
kia/hyundai evs use 800v architecture since years ago
pretty mass adopted
>Since years ago
Yes, but the hype is doing 300+kWh., Not 10%->80% in 41 minutes.
Even more so when you can do 11kwh on a Tesla without needing to get a transformator just to feed the BEV.
Biggest problem for Hyundai, and all the other CCS brands is that there just aren't any 800v 350kW capable CCS chargers, and that they all have efficiency ratings and charging curves that make them slower to charge even at 350 than a Tesla at 250 or even 175. When 800v 350kW NACS becomes more common they'll be a better choice, but they need to improve the curve and make EVs that are more efficient. Ioniq 6 is decent, and could compare to a base Model 3 but it needs the chargers to support it.
Also most Tesla cars max out at 7.2kW on AC charging. Getting the 11kW or 16kW from AC is only on the higher-end models that need it because they are less efficient.
At least in my experience just getting everyone on NACS and putting 72kW or 10kW chargers in more places will probably mostly solve the charging problem.
ioniq 6 does 10%-80% in 16 minutes if you have a decent charger vs 27 minutes on tesla m3 lr
that seems kinda slow? all of my cars recharge from 0-100% in about 2 or 3 minutes..
CATL just came out with a new battery that has 1000km range (600 miles) and can recharge 400 of those miles in 10 minutes
give it a couple years and it'll be on par with refueling a gas car
ok just two more weeks, gotcha
go see an ophthalmologist
140kwh means half an hour
210kwh is 20 minutes
280 is 15 minutes
350 is 10 minutes
But as a rule of thumb: Charge rate cold at 40% is a better gauge
Hertz just flooded the market with model 3's. Prices are currently swirling down the shitter.
More reliable than old shityotas.
800V?
>What do we think, bros?
*OP likes dot points
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sage
>look at me i go fast in straight line!
Oof
Half that course is basically a NASCAR loop. So yeah, fast in a straight line.
>Curves aren't curvy enough!
This is some next level cope.
>look at me go fast in straight line and go super slow and sluggish in the turns!
Every race track has a mix of turns and straights. That's what track performance *is.*
I will refer to my original post
why do they put so much power into them and then are sold to morons. Tesla customers should drive something like Dacia Spring with 55hp and then when they crash then they die
>faster
>cheaper
>better seats
>same FRICKING UGLY SHITTY MINIMALIST GARBAGE DASHBOARD WITH ONE CHINESE TOUCHSCREEN AND LITERALLY NOTHING ELSE
GOD FRICKING DAMMIT ELON STOP THIS FRICKING GARBAGE NOWWWWWWWWWW REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>MINIMALIST GARBAGE DASHBOARD
I like it. Can't wait for the trend to impact smaller cars, so in 10-15 years you again have cars with 100% flooded flatt dashes with trash.
Isn't minimalism what every car enthusiast was begging for before Tesla came around? A car that was a "pure driving experience without any distractions"? Now it's here and people are still complaining.
>driving experience
>tesla
>touch screen
Are you a haitian? That's the only way I can reconcile you being this fricking stupid is to find out you're just from a place where the average iq is literally considered moronic
You can dim it and you don't have to use it while driving.
Its certainly close.
That combined with the extremely stiff suspension give a lot of road feel as well. And excellent response. And the seamlessness of entering with one of the nicer keyless systems in the market.
Or using the NA system to entirely remove planning logistics for longer trips, where the downtime is minimal due good setup for preheating + charge network.
But its also the type of car you can sit on news sites and doomscroll while driving. Or try to shitpost in some comment field somewhere with the speech to text.
Or spend the entire downtime of your taxi driver shift watching Netflix.
Or fall back on the NAV system instead of driving. Or get yourself killed in a beta TAP-accident.
EVs are never going to replace ice.
They literally already are.
LOL
EVs have really only gotten popular within the last 8 years if we're being generous. Despite ICEs having 100 more years of sales, EVs already being almost 1% of registrations is huge.
>never going to replace ice
That may be true but for 99%, maybe.
I kinda like teslas but they simply still don’t make sense to buy. The ergonomics are terrible, the technology is advancing fast so if you buy one now before or anytime before 2045 or some shit it’s obsolete out the gate. Charging infrastructure is still abysmal and takes too long to be feasible.
the shitney gnome has spoken!
>doesn't run 9s
SLOW
no fricking way it does 9 seconds
wait until you see the new demon does with a pushrod V8.
It will fail just like all EVs are bound to fail:
You have to charge somewhere on a trip, if there's an emergency and you have to stop to charge, often during peak hours, it costs more than getting gas.
There's also the fact that oil companies have leveraged social media successfully, and hybrids are outselling EVs now. People want gas as a backup if they run out of battery. This is why Toyota went all in on hybrids and hydrogen.
1. we will still produce oil.
2. Hydrogen is produced as part of the refining process, it can be used for hybrid fuel cells
3. People want to remove uncertainty.
4. Oil companies have been spreading FUD against EVs so long, and made them a political thing, that people are now against them.
5. Even democrats are for killing EVs, they have turned every green program into a grift for their party, and have been backing companies that are not doing shit in the EV space while doing everything to attack and kill the companies that do. They give no love to the Koreans, they punish non-union shops like Tesla, and will be blocking the Chinese from selling in North America.
This car, like all the other EVs, will fail in the long run, especially after Elon gets arrested eventually and Tesla shares fall enough to allow for a hostile buyout by institutional investors who also have interests with oil companies.
So the long and the short of it is... who gives a frick about this. Stop fricking posting about EVs. They're dead.
Toyota went all in on hybrids because that is what they do and Japanese companies are rigid and inflexible.
>blocking the Chinese from selling in North America
>bad
subtle wumao post is subtle
EVs will exist as long as there's demand for them.
>it costs more than getting gas.
$13 Per gallon equivalent with tax, so yes. Cost per mile on the other hand? It is often about the same as or a bit less than gas. Mostly thanks to EVs paying much higher road use fees than other vehicles that weight the same.
Of course the savings owning an EV come from minimizing the energy you buy from fast chargers.
>we will still produce oil
Sure, but it is burning the oil and releasing the sequestered carbon that is at issue. Especially if done everywhere all the time at 20% efficiency.
Modern 50% efficient diesel might have a role for heavy freight, or backup power in extreme situations, but not for daily driving.
>Hydrogen is produced as part of the refining process, it can be used for hybrid fuel cells
At $15 a kg hydrogen for a FCEV costs around $.21 a mile plus tax, and for a HICE would be $.50 a mile plus tax.
If a company could sell a FCEV with 40 or 60kWh battery buffer and 4 or 6kg of hydrogen and nation-wide hydrogen refueling had $7 a kg that could be a real winner.
But right now that doesn't seem possible. With fast charging now improving to the point they could deliver 300 miles in under 10 minutes the window of opportunity for hydrogen may have closed.
>people are now against them
Opinions born from bullshit propaganda can be changed by factual information.
>Even democrats are for killing EVs
Not as a party. The extremists within the Democratic party are marginalized, and losing power. Compared to the extremists in the Republican party that are still gaining power and denying reality.
Even if Tesla folds because of Elon's bullshit, EVs aren't going away. You cannot undo the progress in electric motors, electric vehicle technology, or infrastructure.
If the US doesn't keep up the rest of the world isn't going to stop.
>The extremists within the Democratic party are marginalized, and losing power.
Meanwhile in reality the mask off antisemitism is only gaining support.
> you cannot undo the progress
Except it happened three times already, all three times were the oil companies.
China is getting itchy about going to war over Taiwan, when they finally do, it's going to cause a massive freeze globally when it comes to electronics. All the chips in your PC are made in Taiwan. Even China's chips in their cars are made in Taiwan. Few chips are not made there.
Electric cars depend on Taiwan, TSMC is moving to the US at a Snail's pace and Xi is getting impatient and wants to storm the island already.
Then you have moron doing this shit:
https://electrek.co/2024/04/30/tesla-pulling-back-supercharger-plans-firing-team/
Who has likely been compromised by oil interests, taking advantage of his gullible ass. He's going to sell off his shares one day and run away from the burning fire he created as he starts his new AI firm based out in Nevada. He doesn't care about Tesla anymore. He has AI now to scam people over on.
Tesla owners will be holding his bags.
EVs are dying and most people do not realize it. They also only make up less than 3% of all auto sales globally. If every manufacturer stopped making EVs tomorrow, no one would notice.
I'm real tempted to sell my tesla right now before Elon fires the people who maintain the servers the cars use to communicate to the superchargers. He's looking to slim the company down and take all the money he can before he jumps ship. His friends have been selling off their stock like crazy in the last week.
Tesla falls, the other car companies will see no reason to continue making EVs other than compliance vehicles. They'll get China banned in the west over spying concerns, and once the Taiwan thing blows up, China won't be worrying about making EVs.
Oil's here to stay.
The Tesla Model Y was the best selling car globally last year. It doesn't get any clearer than that. The stans were right. The deniers were wrong. Elon made a mockery of the entire automotive industry.
When China goes to war with Taiwan, it wont just be Tesla affected, its everything. Your clothes, your washing machine, your computers, your payment system, your VISA cards, your GPUs, your TVs, your smartphones, your cars, all of it. Except those that are 20-30+ years old.
Its not "Tesla falls." When this happens. Its everything falls.
>This is why Toyota went all in on hybrids and hydrogen.
lmao
Toyota hacked together a body swap for the Camry, and hacked together a Hydrogen vehicle because its a thing the Japanese do.
And then it lies there, goes out of the media cycle, and dies.
Not because its at a fundamental level bad. But because the Japanese only cares about Hydrogen from a "in case WW3 hits" perspective. Because the last time around it turns out they where one embargo away from the Philippines via USA to completely go dry for oil.
>and hacked together a Hydrogen vehicle
They most certainly did not. Hydrogen is just fricking stupid in practice.
>They most certainly did not.
Nice rebuttal homosexual.
They could have picked a nicer base such as Avensis or RAV4, Even then using a Camry as a base leads to a lot of compromises such as drivetrain geometry or weight balance.
>Tesla is going bankrupt any day now
homie living in 2010
>This is why Toyota went all in on hybrids and hydrogen.
Kek, Toyota’s most popular non-gasoline vehicle is a rebadged BYD.
Clueless toyotard.
No body gives a shit it looks like an egg and doesn’t have shifters.
>it looks like an egg
If it was the Model Y, sure, but at this point you sound moronic.
atari wants their steering system back
I drove one, from 10-50 or so its nauseatingly quick, feels more violent than the Plaid in that range to me but falls off a bit past 50. Having driven all these cars lately I'd rank it
1. Giulia Quadrifoglio
<POWER GAP>
2. G80 M3
3. Model 3 Performance
<POWER GAP>
4. CT4V Blackwing
Hard to look away from the Model 3 at the price it's at but I'm not going to get an EV.
Trash