Everyone's buying hybrids now because of range and charging infrastructure issues but all companies have plans to shift to 100% EVs.
Meanwhile ICE cars keep dropping in sales.
>2 more weeks.
You clutch at that straw if you like, but EVs are getting attacked from all sides. Manufacturers don't want to make them and customers don't want to buy them.
EV sales in a quarter
They sell twice as many ICE trucks and SUVs every a week
And every Ford EV is selling at an unsustainable loss
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
forgot pic
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Competition BAD >R&D BAD
Like it or not regulations demand 50% EVs by 2035 nationwide. 100% in blue states. That's where the market is going.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Because everyone knows that when the government forces you to do something, everything turns out just peachy
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
literally not going to happen
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
That's called a loss-leader, you numbskull. They sell things at a loss to get customers to buy the actual product with a high profit margin (ICE cars)
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Cars aren't hotdogs you moron
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Also truck/SUV sales are dropping across all auto companies.
See: Toyota 40% sedan sales jump
Guess ford and GM switching to only SUVs is biting them in the ass
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
So instead of selling 100 EVs to Indians on a 30 year loan they sold 186?
>Meanwhile ICE cars keep dropping in sales.
In Europe maybe. Most people would rather buy used cars and I'm pretty sure that data doesn't count used sales.
By 35 the world will be a different place. Klaus will be dead, billionaires & israelites will all be gone. China & poo will be starving like etheopia in the 80’s
>completely re-engineering power grid for a massive added work load, retro fitting existing hardware as well as supplying new is as simple as "replace one thing"
Woman logic
The fact that the west goes all in on chinese electrification is just funny. USA is oil exporter. It's actively destroying their own economy for china.
You know what the real environmentalist move would be? Try to repair existing cars and keep them in the road for as long as possible. Imagine scrapping a 95% re-usable machine to buy a new EV built at huge energy cost.
It's why you know they are full of shit. If they actually cared, they would draft regulations that ensure it's easier to repair things, and that spares need to be available for longer. There is no reason why an electric toothbrush needs to have a soldered in battery for example that cannot be easily swapped out.
It's not about that though, it's just about making money by trying to force people to abandon their perfectly functional property in exchange for some new shit, to speed up the revenue cycle.
Which is also why they are already starting to back down on it again. If your only motivation is money, then those plans quickly go out of the window when the shit doesn't sell.
Thank you comrade for supporting right to repair! We need to stop corporate greed.
>You are an absolute imbecile.
He's baiting. Just read his posts, no one who is that fricking moronic would be hanging out on /misc/ since it would spiritually cripple them.
I come here to laugh at you people. The right is a clownshow every day.
I wonder if it has anything to do with a huge drop in sales. Most EV companies are having a rough time. See Rivian, Lucid, Fisker, etc. People want v8s and hemis. People want 3.5L ecoboosts in their F150s and 35s on their Broncos. Gas is cheaper than water.
You mean 150,000
Down over 10% from the year before! Holy shit!
Zoomers are making their voices heard. EVs, high speed rail, walkable cities
/n/'s paradise
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You are an absolute imbecile. Every single thing you assert in this thread is completely wrong.
Shut the frick up, get off my internet, and have a nice day.
Today.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Lol you can't cope through this one.
https://s201.q4cdn.com/693218008/files/doc_news/2024/Apr/03/q1-2024-sales-final.pdf
https://s3.amazonaws.com/toyota-cms-media/toyota-pdfs/TMNA_US_March_2024_chart_FINAL.pdf
https://hondanews.com/en-US/releases/release-6197a1daf2b1db29a36ff5ab270c9fd9-american-honda-posts-best-q1-results-in-three-years-led-by-strong-march-sales
And here's a train acticle just to grind your gears some more
https://m.startribune.com/all-aboard-amtrak-debuts-second-train-from-st-paul-to-chicago-on-may-21/600363049/?clmob=y&c=n&clmob=y&c=n
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>You are an absolute imbecile.
He's baiting. Just read his posts, no one who is that fricking moronic would be hanging out on /misc/ since it would spiritually cripple them.
EVs too expensive and its been hurting the market while the US government doesn't want China dominating the EV market in the US. Plus people have realized the battery only lasts 8 years which if it doesn't catch fire then it just dies. Replacing the battery costs more than buying a new car
EV is killing sales. I used to work at a dealership that sold over 400 cars a month. Now they can't even break 100 cars sold. I still have access to their stats and its bleak
It's not going to happen. EVs are already piling up in Germany because no one wants to buy that shit anymore now that it isn't heavily subsidized, and the infrastructure for charging them is still rather pitiful.
They farmed the easy bucks from gullible idiots, now the hard work will begin. And since hard work is not as profitable, they will back down on it.
it won't happen anyway. even in Germany, which is the forefront of this moronic Green deal cuckery, EVs are already not selling again and you see another article about them being shit and not friendly for the climate at all by the day.
they ran the scam, the managers who decided to go along with it have long since filled their pockets with the subsidies, and any idiot who doesn't have an exit plan yet will be left holding the bags.
same with solar.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Honestly I am hoping this is the case, that it was all just another money making scheme rather than something they legitimately thought would A) ever work and B) they were fine with legally enforcing with the full power of the state. Oh well I am still driving my 20 year old car, actually just put some more money into hoping to drive it for another 10 at a minimum
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Honestly I am hoping this is the case
It is. You have an ever smaller elite ruling over an ever bigger mass of peasants.
That only works as long as the peasants can live reasonably decent lives, to the point where they feel they have more to lose than to gain from rebelling.
If they start taking shit like private transportation away, that breaking point will be hit much sooner. We already have Green politicians having hysteria attacks because people congregate outside of their homes or crowd around their cars.
They played their hand during the COVID shit with their threat of forced vaccinations, and we saw how it will turn out. They simply do not possess the control to actually play hardball. If something is met with too much opposition, they will back down on it to try some other scam instead.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>COVID
the funniest thing for me about that whole period is the number of people that just silently said no. The number of people that just outright lied about being backed and even forged documents is hilarious
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
it's like the 70s. wouldn't surprise me in the least if in 10 years we're actually driving around cool new versions of cars we want to own with big high displacement V8 and V12 engines.
Use a sub pump to drain gas from abandoned gas stations and use my Porsche race car to flee to a free state that still uses internal combustion engines
The sun is free. The wind is free. Even Wyoming is moving towards green energy.
This "promise" means nothing until they start changing their factories. They can keep this empty promise going till 2033 if they want and still change their minds. This shit is meaningless like how every US president says we will be at Mars in 10 years
Except it's penciled into law now. Also we're in the Paris Agreement and have been reducing emissions for decades.
Every big company spending billions to become carbon neutral isn't some sort of "false promise." Investors want it.
>The sun is free. The wind is free. Even Wyoming is moving towards green energy
It is not free you moron. Just a couple panels is worth more than a car you imbecile
I'll buy an electric car you dumb frick what do you think I'll do? There's nothing magic about gas other than the fact Israel needs millions of gallons of oil to kill brown people. When the bombs drop it'll be a lot easier to charge up from solar panels than relying on infrastructure to move gas around.
>It's expensive
No shit. >It can cause roof damage
No shit. Builders 40 years ago weren't planning around solar panels. >It degrades over time like any other product.
No shit.
Wow it's almost like early adopters have to deal with some creases that haven't been ironed out.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>just spend a hundred grand so you can drive for free!
Quite the selling point
This "promise" means nothing until they start changing their factories. They can keep this empty promise going till 2033 if they want and still change their minds. This shit is meaningless like how every US president says we will be at Mars in 10 years
that is part or their scheme
replace cheap ICE vehicles that can potentially last a few decades with expensive EVs that maybe last 8 years with ever decreasing charge capacity, and cannot operate in even moderately hot or cold conditions
>What are you gonna do when
people wake up to the fact that a second hand EV is worth nothing, as replacing the failing battery writes the car off?
These things make no sense on any level, economic, environmental or sustainable.
...Finally have something fun to drive that never breaks down from thousands of stupid tiny moving parts going bad? Stop having to change fluids all the time? Stop having to go to a gas station in Detroit because I charged at home? Not worry about some crackhead sawing off my exhaust?
>something fun to drive
you don't know what fun or drive means.
>It's expensive
No shit. >It can cause roof damage
No shit. Builders 40 years ago weren't planning around solar panels. >It degrades over time like any other product.
No shit.
Wow it's almost like early adopters have to deal with some creases that haven't been ironed out.
Other than the Corvette what does GM have to offer?
They used to be competitive in the pick up truck game but let's face it, Ford and Toyota have taken over that completely.
zero to 60 in 2 seconds
Didn't you get the memo, sweatie? EVs are SOOO 2022.
Everyone's buying hybrids now because of range and charging infrastructure issues but all companies have plans to shift to 100% EVs.
Meanwhile ICE cars keep dropping in sales.
>2 more weeks.
You clutch at that straw if you like, but EVs are getting attacked from all sides. Manufacturers don't want to make them and customers don't want to buy them.
>Ford Q1 sales
>EV sales: +86%
>filename
EV sales in a quarter
They sell twice as many ICE trucks and SUVs every a week
And every Ford EV is selling at an unsustainable loss
forgot pic
>Competition BAD
>R&D BAD
Like it or not regulations demand 50% EVs by 2035 nationwide. 100% in blue states. That's where the market is going.
Because everyone knows that when the government forces you to do something, everything turns out just peachy
literally not going to happen
That's called a loss-leader, you numbskull. They sell things at a loss to get customers to buy the actual product with a high profit margin (ICE cars)
Cars aren't hotdogs you moron
Also truck/SUV sales are dropping across all auto companies.
See: Toyota 40% sedan sales jump
Guess ford and GM switching to only SUVs is biting them in the ass
So instead of selling 100 EVs to Indians on a 30 year loan they sold 186?
>Meanwhile ICE cars keep dropping in sales.
In Europe maybe. Most people would rather buy used cars and I'm pretty sure that data doesn't count used sales.
Makes sense, most Europeans are too poor to get a car anyway
>most people will buy used ICE cars
They'd prefer to, but they can't run them without fuel stations and that us what the corpo-govt alliance will ban
Same with how people want guns but Ammo sales will be banned
>poor people can't buy new EVs
No shit
Ford lost $110,000 per electric car sold. They are only in business because of the F150.
You mean 1996
GM is basicly irrelevant and is probably just trying to get some desperately needed publicity.
By 35 the world will be a different place. Klaus will be dead, billionaires & israelites will all be gone. China & poo will be starving like etheopia in the 80’s
and how! cant wait
Checked. We are past critical white manning. Now the great adjustment happens.
That would be $50
Thanks for charging on my remote piece of desert
They've already started cancelling EV production worldwide you moron.
>all gas pumps get replaced with EV charging stations?
LOL. The power grid can not, and will not support this.
>replace one thing
>YOU CANT REPLACE THE OTHER THING THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE
Black person logic.
>completely re-engineering power grid for a massive added work load, retro fitting existing hardware as well as supplying new is as simple as "replace one thing"
Woman logic
>anon in charge of understanding how power plants work
Probably be chinese.
The fact that the west goes all in on chinese electrification is just funny. USA is oil exporter. It's actively destroying their own economy for china.
You know what the real environmentalist move would be? Try to repair existing cars and keep them in the road for as long as possible. Imagine scrapping a 95% re-usable machine to buy a new EV built at huge energy cost.
like cuba
It's why you know they are full of shit. If they actually cared, they would draft regulations that ensure it's easier to repair things, and that spares need to be available for longer. There is no reason why an electric toothbrush needs to have a soldered in battery for example that cannot be easily swapped out.
It's not about that though, it's just about making money by trying to force people to abandon their perfectly functional property in exchange for some new shit, to speed up the revenue cycle.
Which is also why they are already starting to back down on it again. If your only motivation is money, then those plans quickly go out of the window when the shit doesn't sell.
Thank you comrade for supporting right to repair! We need to stop corporate greed.
I come here to laugh at you people. The right is a clownshow every day.
Go to the hydrogen fueling stations and laugh at EV baggies
>uses gas to make electricity
>WE'RE SAVING THE WORLD!!!!!!!!!
>gas at scale is more efficient than every shitbox having a boom engine that can't accelerate for shit.
Yes
no it isn't and clitouris c**ts Is a scam
>what are you gonna do
Idk, keep driving my 40 year old diesel truck probably. The EV fad is on its way out already bud
Tesla just fired it’s entire supercharger team.
>The meme company run by a drug addict
I wonder if it has anything to do with a huge drop in sales. Most EV companies are having a rough time. See Rivian, Lucid, Fisker, etc. People want v8s and hemis. People want 3.5L ecoboosts in their F150s and 35s on their Broncos. Gas is cheaper than water.
>Rivian
Almost doubled sales YoY
7,500 Rivian v 190,000 Ford F150
It's over
You mean 150,000
Down over 10% from the year before! Holy shit!
Zoomers are making their voices heard. EVs, high speed rail, walkable cities
/n/'s paradise
You are an absolute imbecile. Every single thing you assert in this thread is completely wrong.
Shut the frick up, get off my internet, and have a nice day.
Today.
Lol you can't cope through this one.
https://s201.q4cdn.com/693218008/files/doc_news/2024/Apr/03/q1-2024-sales-final.pdf
https://s3.amazonaws.com/toyota-cms-media/toyota-pdfs/TMNA_US_March_2024_chart_FINAL.pdf
https://hondanews.com/en-US/releases/release-6197a1daf2b1db29a36ff5ab270c9fd9-american-honda-posts-best-q1-results-in-three-years-led-by-strong-march-sales
And here's a train acticle just to grind your gears some more
https://m.startribune.com/all-aboard-amtrak-debuts-second-train-from-st-paul-to-chicago-on-may-21/600363049/?clmob=y&c=n&clmob=y&c=n
>You are an absolute imbecile.
He's baiting. Just read his posts, no one who is that fricking moronic would be hanging out on /misc/ since it would spiritually cripple them.
>Rivian, Lucid, Fisker,
literally who x3
I don't care, I'll inherit an old red Barchetta from my uncle
I will buy a car from china
EVs too expensive and its been hurting the market while the US government doesn't want China dominating the EV market in the US. Plus people have realized the battery only lasts 8 years which if it doesn't catch fire then it just dies. Replacing the battery costs more than buying a new car
Druggies keep cutting the charging cable for copper around here.
Will there be 100s of millions of charging points 11 years from now?
EV is killing sales. I used to work at a dealership that sold over 400 cars a month. Now they can't even break 100 cars sold. I still have access to their stats and its bleak
It's not going to happen. EVs are already piling up in Germany because no one wants to buy that shit anymore now that it isn't heavily subsidized, and the infrastructure for charging them is still rather pitiful.
They farmed the easy bucks from gullible idiots, now the hard work will begin. And since hard work is not as profitable, they will back down on it.
I will unplug everyone's car.
I drive a 40 year old Porsche that I will never get rid of. I will burn Albanians as fuel if necessary.
Wait till you see the tax and fees you will have to pay to drive it, while it is legal of course.
Even better, then I can drive it without paying for registration, insurance, or taxes.
Might as well have a israelites killed Jesus sticker on your bumper at that point.
>EVs are so good the state needs to legally prosecute people who don't want one
it won't happen anyway. even in Germany, which is the forefront of this moronic Green deal cuckery, EVs are already not selling again and you see another article about them being shit and not friendly for the climate at all by the day.
they ran the scam, the managers who decided to go along with it have long since filled their pockets with the subsidies, and any idiot who doesn't have an exit plan yet will be left holding the bags.
same with solar.
Honestly I am hoping this is the case, that it was all just another money making scheme rather than something they legitimately thought would A) ever work and B) they were fine with legally enforcing with the full power of the state. Oh well I am still driving my 20 year old car, actually just put some more money into hoping to drive it for another 10 at a minimum
>Honestly I am hoping this is the case
It is. You have an ever smaller elite ruling over an ever bigger mass of peasants.
That only works as long as the peasants can live reasonably decent lives, to the point where they feel they have more to lose than to gain from rebelling.
If they start taking shit like private transportation away, that breaking point will be hit much sooner. We already have Green politicians having hysteria attacks because people congregate outside of their homes or crowd around their cars.
They played their hand during the COVID shit with their threat of forced vaccinations, and we saw how it will turn out. They simply do not possess the control to actually play hardball. If something is met with too much opposition, they will back down on it to try some other scam instead.
>COVID
the funniest thing for me about that whole period is the number of people that just silently said no. The number of people that just outright lied about being backed and even forged documents is hilarious
it's like the 70s. wouldn't surprise me in the least if in 10 years we're actually driving around cool new versions of cars we want to own with big high displacement V8 and V12 engines.
You could always be proactive and start burning Albanians now. Just a thought.
>Porsche pic please
t.serbshit
YOU VILL WOOSH AROUND SILENTLY IN YOUR GAY EV BY 2035
Use a sub pump to drain gas from abandoned gas stations and use my Porsche race car to flee to a free state that still uses internal combustion engines
Probably with Rush as the sound track
Good movie. Plane was kino too.
They won’t be. Energy prices will be so high, gas will be cheap by comparison
The sun is free. The wind is free. Even Wyoming is moving towards green energy.
Except it's penciled into law now. Also we're in the Paris Agreement and have been reducing emissions for decades.
Every big company spending billions to become carbon neutral isn't some sort of "false promise." Investors want it.
>The sun is free. The wind is free. Even Wyoming is moving towards green energy
It is not free you moron. Just a couple panels is worth more than a car you imbecile
LMAOOOOOO
don't look into what goes into solar panel or wind turbine manufacturing, nor their average life span
I'll buy an electric car you dumb frick what do you think I'll do? There's nothing magic about gas other than the fact Israel needs millions of gallons of oil to kill brown people. When the bombs drop it'll be a lot easier to charge up from solar panels than relying on infrastructure to move gas around.
>it'll be a lot easier to charge up from solar panels
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>It's expensive
No shit.
>It can cause roof damage
No shit. Builders 40 years ago weren't planning around solar panels.
>It degrades over time like any other product.
No shit.
Wow it's almost like early adopters have to deal with some creases that haven't been ironed out.
>just spend a hundred grand so you can drive for free!
Quite the selling point
This "promise" means nothing until they start changing their factories. They can keep this empty promise going till 2033 if they want and still change their minds. This shit is meaningless like how every US president says we will be at Mars in 10 years
GM is a, zombie company desperately trying to get more government gibs
This is so fricking moronic, There isn't enough lithium or cobalt on the planet for everyone to have a EV
Everyone wont have one bro, that's the point.
oh shit, that makes a lot of sense
that is part or their scheme
replace cheap ICE vehicles that can potentially last a few decades with expensive EVs that maybe last 8 years with ever decreasing charge capacity, and cannot operate in even moderately hot or cold conditions
The same thing we did when we went from horse and buggy to internal combustion engines. I'll adjust and embrace the future cause I'm not a homosexual.
>also I'll be flying around in my electric evtol #gojobyaviation
>What are you gonna do when
people wake up to the fact that a second hand EV is worth nothing, as replacing the failing battery writes the car off?
These things make no sense on any level, economic, environmental or sustainable.
I guess I'll build a woodgassifier since I ain't buying an electric car.
>Laughs in DRZ400
b***h my bike will run on fricking kerosene until the end of the world.
...Finally have something fun to drive that never breaks down from thousands of stupid tiny moving parts going bad? Stop having to change fluids all the time? Stop having to go to a gas station in Detroit because I charged at home? Not worry about some crackhead sawing off my exhaust?
>something fun to drive
you don't know what fun or drive means.
>SOLAR PANELS ACTUALLY SUCK
we know.
I can retrofit any vehicle to electric without the spyware.
>We're going to make everything electric before any infrastructure exists to support electric
Im beginning to think the men of power in this nation arent actually evil masterminds. They are just moronic cultists
I will cut down power lines.
Other than the Corvette what does GM have to offer?
They used to be competitive in the pick up truck game but let's face it, Ford and Toyota have taken over that completely.
I'll keep making fuel with vegetable oil lmao, and I'll roll coal on you gays till I die and then my son can pick it up where I left off.
Sure thing grandpa.