What will happen to car enthusiasts as everything goes electric? There won't be anything to get excited over any more, just body styles and taped-on tablets in an empty interior. Additionally, gas cars will get prohibitively expensive to the point that only the wealthiest of gays will be able to afford them. Do we just roll over and give up since most governments won't relent on making sure EVs are the primary mode of transportation?
>cars will get prohibitively expensive to the point that only the wealthiest of gays will be able to afford them
You just answered your own question.
renting is worse than owning something, but owning stuff still sucks.
You will be dead by the time that happens
This. I know Tesla gays like to act like it's on the horizon, but most people actually have no idea how far away we are from a world where the vast majority of people on the road plug their car in to charge every day/night.
You are now aware there is just over seven (7) years before the bans start to go in to effect in a meaningful way.
And it'll keep getting pushed back because there is not enough lithium in the world to replace even a quarter of the car's on American roads, let alone the rest of the world.
Low IQ post, lithium is abundant.
Please put more effort into what you type, as the quality of the posts here is of the utmost importance.
>14 million tons of lithium left in the ground
>Quite literally billions of cars on the road worldwide
Good luck getting people to agree to cut down the entire Amazon rainforest so that you can make me drive a glorified golf cart.
>Source: your ass
And let's be honest, people like you won't be having your own car.
That 14 million ton figure is outdated; the rise in electric cars has lead to more prospecting for lithium; current economically effective to extract reserves are about 21 million tons, with several times that known to exist, just not viable to mine yet. Now, lithium batteries do not actually use all that much lithium; there was a teardown of a 70 kw-hr Tesla battery a while back that found it used 63kg of lithium carbonate / 12kg of pure lithium. Lets round that up to 20kg of lithium, to account for bigger batteries. That gives enough lithium from known reserves for just over a billion cars. That's just from the 21 million ton reserves mind you, and does not include improved mining tech making more lithium sites viable to use.
lithium is for morons toyota are probably correct in waiting for a breakthrough before embracing EVs.
>Gets BTFO
>B-but l-lithium is for r-morons!!
Lol, lmao
They'll be waiting for a while if they're trying to get an alternative to a lithium before coming on.
Meanwhile, Tesla will continue to produce millions of cars, make trillions of dollars, etc.
Even if lithium were to magically vanish, we'd still have sodium as an alternative. Its bit less energy dense than lithium so less range, but it should suffice in the case of a lithium apocalypse some 30 years down the line.
>Tesla will continue to produce millions of cars
>500k sold in total
>1/33rd of the ford model T (19 year production run, ended 90-some years ago)
>1/100th of corollas alone
troony ev $TSLA leveraged cope
936K in 2021
500K in 2020
365K in 2019
254K in 2018
100K in 2017
84K in 2016
Also ~1.4M in 2022
~2.4M in 2023
>get to an actual large number
>put cars on grid
>people who are forcing electric cars are the same people who hate the only way to power them all and cities: Nuclear
>blackouts because of envirocucks
ill stick to my gas car, or at MOST a hybrid. 100% electric is moronic
I'll drive my electric car how I want, chud. If you don't like it, you can kiss my ass
That's some strong ass cope you got there
To bad lithium mines don't regenerate yield unlike a oil well does, but yeah keep coping, you have no idea what the future holds, for all we know we could be blasted back to horse and carriage for transportation. Electric cucks are next level delusional.
Lithium batteries are recycleable unlike oil. 99.9% of the battery packs can be recycled just by crushing the entire pack and putting them in water and separating the mineral contents by density.
>Lithium batteries are recycleable unlike oil.
This is pure bait, or you're just that stupid, probably both.
Learn how gas engines works
Have you ever changed your own oil? Their's a thing called motor oil recycling that when you change your own oil, you take the used oil to an auto parts store and they recycle it for you. Which is sent to be cleaned and reused for other purposes, since you don't actually combust the oil it only gets dirty. This is an automotive enthusiasts board ffs, how the hell do you not know this? Do you even know what the motor oil in a car is used for?
You're a moron. The car burns gas oil. Motor oil is used as lubrications. troony Black folk like you are morons.
Anon......there is not suppose to be oil in your gas......please.....go back
lmfao, refining oil creates gas as well as the products used for engine oil
Not the person you are replying too, but you do realize that there are companies recycling lithium batteries right now? I think Li-Cycle is the biggest in North America. As for the oil part, while the lubricant oils can and are recycled, he was probably referring to the oil that is refined into gasoline/diesel not being able to be simply recycled.
>there are companies recycling lithium batteries right now?
I'm pretty sure this is the kind of topic that the further you look into it the more pathetic, deceptive and subsidized it gets.
You are now aware that original timeframes set by governments are not always met and frequently pushed back. I am now aware that you are a closed-minded moron looking at a bubble with no ability to see outside of it. I bet you have tesla stock.
I will divert to some other mechanical based hobby.
Maybe by then we can make exoskeleton suits or something cool.
Oh, and just like how we have horse girls. I will be a motorcycle man.
Doubt. You’re looking at a bubble. That bubble can’t maintain growth. Mining can’t keep up, lithium is the wrong choice for it. Maybe if some nerds can make aluminium air batteries practical for every day use.
Fuel will get more expensive when new car bans in 2035 are in place.
Maybe rebuilding old cars will be more popular.
It might get more difficult to get parts, especially when the new pods will be disposable and will not get fixed.
„Servicing“ by replacing large units will be common practice. Even more than today.
>bushings worn
>time to get a new rear axle
Big conflict will happen before we get to the real biting part of this. If we ever see it it won't last long as people don't want these vehicles for the process being offered. Big rich companies even investment companies will start to lose money and they will change the laws to allow sale of normal vehicles again.
It will be like the TVs and the smartphones and the cars that only the rich people own.
There's no way prices will come down.
>as everything goes electric?
I wouldn't worry about it. How the frick are they going to electrify everything without nuclear power?
They can't.
Well, burning more natural gas & coal at night (when power plants have slack capacity anyways) would be possible; while not ideal, an electric car powered by coal electricity is still slightly cleaner than a similar sized gas one, and natural gas powered electric car much cleaner.
That said, it is dumb that most of the people pushing electric cars are not pushing nuclear power as well; the two technologies have genuine synergies between them. Nuclear power plants are most cost efficient when ran at near full capacity, but have the issue of people not using as much electricity at night; electric car owners want a reliable source of power to charge their cars overnight while they sleep.
>it is dumb that most of the people pushing electric cars are not pushing nuclear power as well;
Nobody ever accused EV hippies of being smart. What are they going to do about Air and sea travel? India? Africa? They're short-sighted idiots responding to their media programming.
Full electric is a meme and the market will be forced to recognize that eventually when they cannot mine enough lithium to keep up with demand.
Instead we’ll get even worse hybrid lawnmower drivetrains + CVT for the overall worse driving experience in existence.
I can see EU banning manuals in favor of CVT’s for the theoretical mpg gains.
Like everything the solution here is to just be rich enough to afford to skirt regulations by whatever loophole the elites leave for themselves.
>I can see EU banning manuals in favor of CVT’s for the theoretical mpg gains.
Such a ban wouldn't have any basis in reality. A manual lasts 500k miles while you need to change a cvt like your underwear.
>implying bureaucrats care about anything besides what goes on the EPA sticker/EU equivalent
Keep in mind that neoliberal bureaucrats want you to dispose of vehicles every 5 years because they intend to put in tighter regulations by then and want as many cars on the roads conforming as possible.
The fact that the CVT wears out forcing you to either drop thousands into an aging shitbox or buy new is a positive in their eyes.
It also stimulates economic activity!
Who says I change my underwear
Lithium is one of the most abundant minerals in the world, in the solar system, and in the universe. Even if an gas oil god suddenly males all lithium disappears from earth, there's sodium which is one chemistry down the line that has similar properties, slightly less energy, but close enough. Sodium is EXTREMELY abundant. Like 2.6% earth is sodium.
Really it wont matter, we'll likely never run out of lithium for the next 50 years given the abundance of lithium. Then we can recycle the old ones, or just use alternatives like sodium to move half the fleet to sodium.
>like 2.6% of earth is sodium
And the other 97.4% is your mom.
Gas won't die for another generation at the very least. I will continue to cruise around in my shitbox and my dirt cheap to maintain chromed vespa until the Earth is dry of gasoline and oil.
That's the American dream, baby. I'm still sailing down that post-war future. Wooo wee.
I have a stockpile of old POS engines and transmissions. I'm gonna be burning dinosaur juice till the sun (or my heart) explodes.
>There won't be anything to get excited over any more
What makes you think that V's and I's and W's, random cylinder numbers, and random displacement numbers mean anything? The only thing that matters is the power it's putting down, and electrics put down more power with a better torque curve.
If you're lamenting that there will be no $250,000 supercar to really aspire to when every $35,000 car is putting down 500HP... you realize that's the opposite of a problem, right?
>The only thing that matters is the power it's putting down
Go to /n/ and stay there you /n/igger
>late 1800s
>gas used to be discarded after crude oil was cracked, forming gas lakes to evaporate off
>combustion engine created, makes use of this once-useless substance
>20xx
>electric cars dominate now due to climate alarmism
>plastics and other substances/catalysts from crude oil still needed
>gas needs to be thrown out but because muh environment, no gas lakes
>still a fairly sizeable number of regular cars on road, particularly with DAtists
>moar supply, less demand, gas cheap again