A transmission (typically) has three stops that control forward and backward motion
Making it a dial you turn sideways is asinine.
A dial is used for something you need granular control over like volume or tuning
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>A dial is used for something you need granular control over like volume or tuning
Not really, plenty of applications for dials with set positions. The problem is the way it's implemented, trying to be so "smart" it offers no feedback. It should have mechanical positions rather than be an infinitelly spinning thing connected to software.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
it should be illegal for knobs in cars to not have physical feedback when adjusting them
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
A transmission (typically) has three stops that control forward and backward motion
Making it a dial you turn sideways is asinine.
A dial is used for something you need granular control over like volume or tuning
https://i.imgur.com/0PBkXAR.png
whoever decided that a PRNDL knob was a good idea should be fired into the sun
>Muscle memory, car has no haptic way of letting you know
Eh, I guess you have a point.
On the other hand, that's not something you'd find on an "enthusiasts" car. More likely on shopping carts where it doesn't matter anyway. No?
What car are you guys talking about? Could it be that you're just making this up? My Maverick has a dial shifter and it has a very positive click feedback. It feels like a dial on a washing machine. I was able to use it without looking after like 2 days of getting used to it, and I can feel exactly what gear it's in without looking at all times.
No, it won't shift into reverse while I am moving forwards, but you can click it to R while braking, and it remembers that decision so that as soon as you come to a stop it'll shift, then the next time you hit the gas you'll be going backwards. The brakes have more horsepower in the opposite direction of travel than the engine does, and they also have ABS, so this is theoretically also the fastest way to reverse your direction of travel. There is really no loss of functionality compared to a car that will shift into reverse while you're moving forwards. I did that in my gen 1 Focus once just to see what would happen and the front wheels locked up and the car slid and hopped. It didn't seem like a useful maneuver for any application.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>It feels like a dial on a washing machine
So it feels like shit. And speaking of appliances...
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
No, it feels tactile, clicky, and substantive.. Maybe you only buy shit washing machines because you're poor.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
You must not have driven a car with a dial selector. There are notches within the dial so it’s very clear when you’re switching modes. You can’t get stuck halfway between P and D
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
The fact that these guys didn't know that just proves that the morons who complain about dial shifters have never actually used them
The simple notion that an electronically controlled transmission can get stuck between gears is laughable
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
DA has been a poorgays board where the perfect car is a 1995 Honda Civic in a manual transmission because it's all they can afford since its inception. Why should this surprise you?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>the perfect car is a 1995 Honda Civic in a manual transmission
Correct.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>wrong wheel drive >microscopic engine
ew
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
DA has been a poorgays board where the perfect car is a 1995 Honda Civic in a manual transmission because it's all they can afford since its inception. Why should this surprise you?
I've driven both and honestly, stick is where it at. May as well just admit you're not that into cars at this point if everything has to be about being a lazy c**t. A Black person could easily steal your car.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I also have driven both and liked both, especially dual-clutch systems, and both regular manual and manual with rev-matching. They all have their pros and cons.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yeah you're gay and that's on you.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I bet you like
>Push forward for gear up >Pull back for gear down
>Why does it matter on something that's shifted electronically and uses a soulless CVT anyways?
Muscle memory, car has no haptic way of letting you know if your desired mode didn't engage (and when seconds count it often results in accidents). For example with some cars if you move to R and accelerate at the same time it won't engage, but you won't know until you look again and maybe by that point the train has already hit you. >Besides companies have always experimented with different ways of shifting gears, picrel
And it was discarded for good reason
>Muscle memory, car has no haptic way of letting you know
Eh, I guess you have a point.
On the other hand, that's not something you'd find on an "enthusiasts" car. More likely on shopping carts where it doesn't matter anyway. No?
>car has no haptic way of letting you know if your desired mode didn't engage
The knob literally doesn't move if it doesn't engage. Why do you guys complain about things you have no experience with?
>car has no haptic way of letting you know if your desired mode didn't engage
The knob physically cannot move if it can't go into a certain selection, and will beep and flash at you on the dash if something goes wrong. >(and when seconds count it often results in accidents)
You mean as I'm driving along at 45mph I should've developed a new muscle memory to put it into... any other gear selection to avoid an accident? Things that have never happened to anyone ever in the history of time?
I drive a van with OP's gear selector thingy. Its really stupid but for NONE of the reasons you typed out.
unfortunately the average person's moronation is revealed by the fact that engineers had to put fake shift points for idiots that have no idea how cvts work
They did that because people complained about drive feel. I drive in sport mode with the paddle shifters in my Corolla all the time and they did a good job of imitating the feel of gear rations, but then again I have a solid built CVT with a physical first gear. So maybe other manufacturers are alot worse.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>solid built cvt
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
If he's talking about the eCVT he's right, those are bulletproof
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Toyota CVTs are pretty good because they have a physical first gear that's used during low speeds and launches. That drastically reduces the stress on them.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
If he's talking about the eCVT he's right, those are bulletproof
eCVTs have nothing in common with CVTs, they should really change the name
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Why should they? They do vary the ratio continuously, without steps, and they do it electrically.
This. A knob next to the ignition makes much more sense, having a bulky shifter in the center is just a waste of space that could be used for storage or something else
too many turning knobs in that car. recently had it as a rental, the amount of times i went for the gear selector instead of the radio volume was 1 too many.
I almost thought about buying a Jaguar XK with one of these but I liked it. Probably because it was a little less cheap than the average one. It pops up when you turn the car on and it locks well into the modes it needs to be in.
if you have a work truck where you get in and out every 1 second twisting that knob is real nice. the knob lines ups with my arm pretty good on the ram work trucks. you can even switch it to park before you are in park... it will slam when you get slow enough but its good for working, trust me.
Why does it matter on something that's shifted electronically and uses a soulless CVT anyways?
Besides companies have always experimented with different ways of shifting gears, picrel
Because it's a bad user experience
How's it worse than a small selector lever?
A transmission (typically) has three stops that control forward and backward motion
Making it a dial you turn sideways is asinine.
A dial is used for something you need granular control over like volume or tuning
>A dial is used for something you need granular control over like volume or tuning
Not really, plenty of applications for dials with set positions. The problem is the way it's implemented, trying to be so "smart" it offers no feedback. It should have mechanical positions rather than be an infinitelly spinning thing connected to software.
it should be illegal for knobs in cars to not have physical feedback when adjusting them
What car are you guys talking about? Could it be that you're just making this up? My Maverick has a dial shifter and it has a very positive click feedback. It feels like a dial on a washing machine. I was able to use it without looking after like 2 days of getting used to it, and I can feel exactly what gear it's in without looking at all times.
No, it won't shift into reverse while I am moving forwards, but you can click it to R while braking, and it remembers that decision so that as soon as you come to a stop it'll shift, then the next time you hit the gas you'll be going backwards. The brakes have more horsepower in the opposite direction of travel than the engine does, and they also have ABS, so this is theoretically also the fastest way to reverse your direction of travel. There is really no loss of functionality compared to a car that will shift into reverse while you're moving forwards. I did that in my gen 1 Focus once just to see what would happen and the front wheels locked up and the car slid and hopped. It didn't seem like a useful maneuver for any application.
>It feels like a dial on a washing machine
So it feels like shit. And speaking of appliances...
No, it feels tactile, clicky, and substantive.. Maybe you only buy shit washing machines because you're poor.
You must not have driven a car with a dial selector. There are notches within the dial so it’s very clear when you’re switching modes. You can’t get stuck halfway between P and D
The fact that these guys didn't know that just proves that the morons who complain about dial shifters have never actually used them
The simple notion that an electronically controlled transmission can get stuck between gears is laughable
DA has been a poorgays board where the perfect car is a 1995 Honda Civic in a manual transmission because it's all they can afford since its inception. Why should this surprise you?
>the perfect car is a 1995 Honda Civic in a manual transmission
Correct.
>wrong wheel drive
>microscopic engine
ew
I've driven both and honestly, stick is where it at. May as well just admit you're not that into cars at this point if everything has to be about being a lazy c**t. A Black person could easily steal your car.
I also have driven both and liked both, especially dual-clutch systems, and both regular manual and manual with rev-matching. They all have their pros and cons.
Yeah you're gay and that's on you.
I bet you like
>Push forward for gear up
>Pull back for gear down
Absolutely haram.
>Why does it matter on something that's shifted electronically and uses a soulless CVT anyways?
Muscle memory, car has no haptic way of letting you know if your desired mode didn't engage (and when seconds count it often results in accidents). For example with some cars if you move to R and accelerate at the same time it won't engage, but you won't know until you look again and maybe by that point the train has already hit you.
>Besides companies have always experimented with different ways of shifting gears, picrel
And it was discarded for good reason
>Muscle memory, car has no haptic way of letting you know
Eh, I guess you have a point.
On the other hand, that's not something you'd find on an "enthusiasts" car. More likely on shopping carts where it doesn't matter anyway. No?
It matters, you can have something like what happened to this gay happen to you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_S7GU9lDpq8
>that's not something you'd find on an "enthusiasts" car. More likely on shopping carts where it doesn't matter anyway
>car has no haptic way of letting you know if your desired mode didn't engage
The knob literally doesn't move if it doesn't engage. Why do you guys complain about things you have no experience with?
>car has no haptic way of letting you know if your desired mode didn't engage
The knob physically cannot move if it can't go into a certain selection, and will beep and flash at you on the dash if something goes wrong.
>(and when seconds count it often results in accidents)
You mean as I'm driving along at 45mph I should've developed a new muscle memory to put it into... any other gear selection to avoid an accident? Things that have never happened to anyone ever in the history of time?
I drive a van with OP's gear selector thingy. Its really stupid but for NONE of the reasons you typed out.
>park lever like a slot machine
that's fricking awesome
>CVT
>Soulless
Literally the peak of innovation and engineering. Hearing the steady hum of a perfectly-optimal machine is something to marvel at
unfortunately the average person's moronation is revealed by the fact that engineers had to put fake shift points for idiots that have no idea how cvts work
They did that because people complained about drive feel. I drive in sport mode with the paddle shifters in my Corolla all the time and they did a good job of imitating the feel of gear rations, but then again I have a solid built CVT with a physical first gear. So maybe other manufacturers are alot worse.
>solid built cvt
If he's talking about the eCVT he's right, those are bulletproof
Toyota CVTs are pretty good because they have a physical first gear that's used during low speeds and launches. That drastically reduces the stress on them.
eCVTs have nothing in common with CVTs, they should really change the name
Why should they? They do vary the ratio continuously, without steps, and they do it electrically.
CVT’s are gayer than your butthole flooded with aids cum.
>slips in moron
This. A knob next to the ignition makes much more sense, having a bulky shifter in the center is just a waste of space that could be used for storage or something else
holy frick thats awful. im going to guess its from a mini or one of those gay tiny fiats?
>1963 Plymouth is the filename
>IS IT A FIAT
mein neger.
>intentionally acting like a moron
FRICKING FILENAMES
HOW DO THEY WORK
the problem is they shouldve realized it was a bad idea in the 60s and let it die.
I reckon cvts should have an engine braking knob that allows you to manually decrease the gearing.
Instead of changing down a set of gear ratios you have an analogue stick that allows you to gradually lowers the gear ratio without overreving.
I came up with this idea, glad to see it's catching on
I have no resentment towards the PRNDL knob designer because I will never own a gay nu automatic cuckbox anyway.
Based
Npc mentality
>he can't appreciate engineering
Npc mentality
better?
>driving down the freeway at 90 mph
>reach over to press rewind on the CD player
>transmission suddenly explodes
heh, nothin' personal, Kid.
moron
>implying these ipads on wheels will actually do what you tell them to if the computer override doesn't approve it first
lol
too many turning knobs in that car. recently had it as a rental, the amount of times i went for the gear selector instead of the radio volume was 1 too many.
it works for luxary cars where you want less stuff in your way and ease of use i don’t want to pull a lever in my new mercedes
my zf6 shifter is ok not a fan of the linkage system it loves to flog bushes at the trans end tho fixed with zipties kekv
I almost thought about buying a Jaguar XK with one of these but I liked it. Probably because it was a little less cheap than the average one. It pops up when you turn the car on and it locks well into the modes it needs to be in.
good. automatic trannies are for people who don't want to drive. they deserve the worst possible ux to reinforce their belief.
if you have a work truck where you get in and out every 1 second twisting that knob is real nice. the knob lines ups with my arm pretty good on the ram work trucks. you can even switch it to park before you are in park... it will slam when you get slow enough but its good for working, trust me.
Wait till you see the new Tesla shifter