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spbp
Just walk through a parking lot some day. Look at the no names on all the huge vehicles. People that need a giant ass car to feel like a man are knuckle draggers so don't understand ALL the transmission of power and control in a car goes through the fricking tires.
cheap chinese tires are based. just like cheap chinese tools and cheap chinese electronics.
china makes super good quality products for the price. It's over priced amaerican made shit that will frick you. I went to get a coffee at a coffee shop the other day and the leaking piece of shit proudly stamped "made in america" on it. America doesn't even know how to make a coffee cup in 2022. It's fricking pathetic and we deserve exactly what's coming
Can you put the midgate down with the tonneau cover still in place? If not, basically every larger load means driving with a half open truck which is just moronic frankly speaking.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Turns out you can put the midgate down with the tonneau cover still in place, but you have to remove the rear glass as well which is just fricking dumb. Have fun hauling some 8 ft lumber home in the winter.
Same. This is the best that could happen with "unibody" (as in cab and bed bodies) pickup trucks and no one makes it. However, might be because of the cost and complexity: there is a shit ton of plastic parts around the bed and the midgate, mostly water guides and drains, seals and stowage.
Don't unibody trucks have that these days? I still don't understand why Hyundai and honda did not for their own unibody suv with truck beds.
Nope, they don't and it's a shame. Fricking sedans allow people to fold rear seats.
Can you put the midgate down with the tonneau cover still in place? If not, basically every larger load means driving with a half open truck which is just moronic frankly speaking.
Yes, you can.
Turns out you can put the midgate down with the tonneau cover still in place, but you have to remove the rear glass as well which is just fricking dumb. Have fun hauling some 8 ft lumber home in the winter.
I like the blue clothing collection box in the background. It's basically impossible to get permission from property owners to put boxes in big shopping plazas like this, but some operators will dump them there on the assumption that nobody will care enough to have them removed.
t. former rags trader
Basically, you drop them off in places with the hopes that no one will call and cry about it, you get the clothes and shit out of them, toss what's not useable, keep what is, and resell it under the guise of supporting someone. Say someone drops in a leather purse they don't want. You sell it for 15 bucks after washing it a bit, you donate 1.50 of the sell price to a homeless shelter or some shit and pocket the rest. This goes on for everything you get. People feel good about donating shit they don't want, you make bank on something you never had to pay for, people are happy they got something for 'cheap' that they could have gotten in the first place by making a marketplace/craigslist post about online.
A collection operation will put out boxes and collect the clothes from them. From there, they might go directly to a thrift shop that will sort them or to a dedicated sorting house. At the sorting and grading phase, the good stuff (shop quality and so-called "cream") gets taken out for domestic sale while everything that's not becomes mixed rags for either export sale or (bottom tier stuff) recycling into something else. The mixed rags may be further bundled into tropical mix, winter mix, just shoes, etc. This stuff gets bought by importers in poorer countries, who then sell it themselves or wholesale it in, for example, 45 kg bales to small business people who take it to markets for sale.
As a business, there's not really much of a racket. The margins aren't great, but, if you run a professional operation, keep quality high, and pay attention to costs, you can make money on it.
The first people operating large scale modern clothing collection using boxes in the US were mostly Danes associated with a Danish group called Tvind. They had been operating similar collections in Europe for years before starting in the US in the 90's. Tvind is kind of controversial, and there are allegations of corruption, but, in my experience, they're pretty professional, and their charity operations actually do what they say.
The "racket" comes from the public's (wrong) expectation that clothes dropped off in the boxes will be given away for free or, if they're sold, all of the money will go to charity.
There are charities that do actually run their own collections. The (Tvind associated) Planet Aid is one of them. All of the money they make stays within the charity. This is a bit unusual though. It's far more common for charity associated clothing collections to be run by commercial companies that then either pay licensing fees to real charities to use their name or use misleading branding to make you think you're giving to a charity.
my environment prof told us the few clothes that actually get shipped to developing nations cause harm. The influx of donations kills any local textile manufacturing and the donated clothes get torn up into rags or whatever.
Not to mention the people in the shithole countries look like shit in these clothes compared to the much or aesthetic traditional clothes they would be wearing otherwise.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Not to mention the people in the shithole countries look like shit in these clothes compared to the much or aesthetic traditional clothes they would be wearing otherwise.
t. never been to a shithole country
2 years ago
Anonymous
There's plenty of third world countries were wearing traditional clothing is still common. Although they're typically not the ones so shitty their getting clothes donated to them. Although it does seem traditional clothing is usually pretty functional and based. Tunics need to make a comeback in the west because they look comfy and aesthetic af.
The guy looks pretty white but the jeans and tattoos scream beaner
White people have been wearing those types of jeans since I was in HS, although it's certainly a minority of White people.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>There's plenty of third world countries were wearing traditional clothing is still common.
Which ones? Maybe PNG or the uncontacted parts of Brasil where they're running around in fricking animal skin loin cloths. In the Americas, and Europe, the traditional clothing is western. In Africa, the "traditional" clothing is Asian produced sarongs either worn as wraps (called capulanas, chitenge, kanga, fricking whatever in east and central Africa) or cut up and made into western style shirts and trousers in western Africa. I've had traditional African clothing made for me in both west and east Africa (through intermediaries so that I don't pay white person tax), and it was more expensive and worse than just buying second hand western clothing. Lots of Africans agree, because they also buy second hand western clothes rather than the shitty "traditional" clothing.
all the ones ive ever seen have a porch monkey hanging his ass out the top of one taking everything inside and throwing it all over the parking lot. they dont even last a month before they are either destroyed or removed.
Oh, yeah, the shitty Chinese boxes are easy to steal from too, either through the chute or by attacking the door closing mechanism. Also, shitty fly-by-night operators don't collect often enough (and they dump their boxes in places where nobody gives a shit), so stuff sits outside, and they become dumping zones.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Pakistan and Afghanistan as well as some groups in the middle East like the Bedouins and the blue people (I forget their proper name, they're in North Africa)
2 years ago
Anonymous
Tuaregs?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Sounds right
2 years ago
Anonymous
I was making a car joke. VW named their SUV after a tribe of terrorist gunrunners.
The correct answer would be berbers.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I don't think it's Berbers, pretty sure it did start with a T. There name means something like "people of the blue veil" in their language.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Tuaregs are a large Berber ethnic group found throughout Saharan Africa. I believe VW named its RAV4 fighter (Touraeg) after them.
Yeah it kills labor markets since making these goods is one of the few things people there can do for money.
Just getting free shit is not how you have an economy.
2 years ago
Anonymous
If you run a legit, professional clothing factory, why would you sell to locals when you could earn ten times as much by partnering with western companies to put Nike or Calvin Klein logos on your shit for export sale to people in the rich part of the world? Shitty local tailors still have business making "traditional" clothing, but people don't buy it for the same reason that you don't buy clothing custom made by tailors wherever you live in the rich part of the world.
Also, I'm not sure what it is about the clothes collection business, but it seems to attract some really scummy people. I am out of the game for several years, but there was a collection in Chicago that was run by an Albanian organized crime syndicate who were unpleasant to deal with.
Even in entirely up-and-up operations, it's easy for a driver or manager to steal. For a well run operation, you'll want a typical 8 hour route to generate 2-3 tons of product. If you've sited your boxes well, this means one driver per 100-150 boxes. Some people claim density can be higher, but, in my experience, site finding starts to become difficult at around 1 box per 10k people, and it becomes very difficult at 1 box per 5k. So, for a mid-size metro area of 3-4M people, your operation might look like 1 manager, 1 site finder, and 3 drivers. Imagine trying to supervise a whole bunch of these small operations spread around the country. It's very easy and tempting for a manager or driver to steal, and it takes a lot of attention to prevent it from happening.
So New Mexico probably cant support a business like this right?
We only have less than 2 million people in this frickhuge state
2 years ago
Anonymous
According to Wikipedia, the Albuquerque–Santa Fe–Las Vegas combined statistical area has a bit more than 1M people in it, so figure a capacity of around 200 boxes. Realistic number is more like 150. That's a manager plus a driver and bring in sitefinders every few months. For that size collection, skip the warehouse and baler or capsacks-- just find someplace you can park two 53' trailers and two trucks (one with liftgate for box placement). If you're lucky, you can find a steady buyer who will drop off an empty trailer every 2-3 weeks and pick up the one that you've filled during that time. Albuquerque is pretty close to El Paso, so transport costs are low, and I bet you could make this arrangement with one of the sorting houses there, but you might get screwed every few years when the Mexican government cracks down on textile smuggling. So, it would be worthwhile to maintain a relationship with a good broker by selling the occasional pup trailer to other customers. On the low end, figure a gross of $100k/year with a low price and low productivity per box. With a more realistic price and productivity, gross will be a few times that.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Very interesting idea. How much capital outlay? What do those boxes cost?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Here are the prices that come up on Alibaba. Chinese made boxes will rust. They will also leak, and your clothes will get wet. If you get ones with 4 feet like 2nd from the right, the feet will collapse or come out of place. When I was last involved in the business (~10 years ago), we paid around $700/box for good quality ones from a US manufacturer.
I'm not sure how prices look now, but I would guess that about $100k would be a reasonable budget for a minimum viable collection of about 100 boxes. Up to this size can be run solo.
2 years ago
Anonymous
all the ones ive ever seen have a porch monkey hanging his ass out the top of one taking everything inside and throwing it all over the parking lot. they dont even last a month before they are either destroyed or removed.
What happens in this scenario? Does insurance still cover you? And do the cops come? How do you get it back on it's wheels? Is it totalled or just a little banged up?
corn syrup
cheap Chinese tires. So many 60-100K trucks and cars but the owners ape out when it comes to buying tires.
This
spbp
Just walk through a parking lot some day. Look at the no names on all the huge vehicles. People that need a giant ass car to feel like a man are knuckle draggers so don't understand ALL the transmission of power and control in a car goes through the fricking tires.
cheap chinese tires are based. just like cheap chinese tools and cheap chinese electronics.
china makes super good quality products for the price. It's over priced amaerican made shit that will frick you. I went to get a coffee at a coffee shop the other day and the leaking piece of shit proudly stamped "made in america" on it. America doesn't even know how to make a coffee cup in 2022. It's fricking pathetic and we deserve exactly what's coming
america is dead
china is coming to rule the world
lmoa they've been saying that isnce 80k bc in the ching ching dynasty
you're just overpopulated ching chong homosexual land
what are you trying to say here?
lmao chang wong over here can't speak english for shit
You use Ling Long Ding Dongs don't you?
moronic kid take
>cheap chinese tires are based
If by based you mean prone to blowouts on the highway, then, yes.
>tires
>responsible for a low-speed flip
are you a bus rider or did you just drop out of high school?
What fricking truck is that? I've never seen it before
Chevy Avalanche. Basically a Tahoe with a bed that could also told it's seats down like a minivan to act as a full-size bed too.
Don't ask me why. The 2000s were wack for trucks. Tune in next week for a viper powered truck, and GM's 40s convertible truck!
The midgate was the only good feature of the Avalanche and I'm disappointed more trucks didn't adopt it
Can you put the midgate down with the tonneau cover still in place? If not, basically every larger load means driving with a half open truck which is just moronic frankly speaking.
Turns out you can put the midgate down with the tonneau cover still in place, but you have to remove the rear glass as well which is just fricking dumb. Have fun hauling some 8 ft lumber home in the winter.
Definitely, I wonder if Chevy has some patent on it so no other manufacturers can do it.
Don't unibody trucks have that these days? I still don't understand why Hyundai and honda did not for their own unibody suv with truck beds.
Same. This is the best that could happen with "unibody" (as in cab and bed bodies) pickup trucks and no one makes it. However, might be because of the cost and complexity: there is a shit ton of plastic parts around the bed and the midgate, mostly water guides and drains, seals and stowage.
Nope, they don't and it's a shame. Fricking sedans allow people to fold rear seats.
Yes, you can.
Nope, the glass stays.
t. Avalanche owner
That poor Avalanche didn't deserve that
More Suburban than Tahoe, it has the longer wheelbase.
The same reason blacks commit more than half of all crime in the US.
poverty? lack of good parents? heredity?
>poverty
There are more Whites living below the poverty line than blacks.
But your other 2 answers are correct.
>girl wearing no pants
>nobody helping the big tiddy girl out of the trucc
What in the white trash is going on here?
t. never been in a rollover
i had my gymshorts and shoes ripped off of me when my car rolled over
>gymshorts and shoes
Were they by chance "23's" or Jordans, Tyrone?
you've got tyrone on your mind almost as often as your mum does
No one cares
>nobody helping the big tiddy girl out of the trucc
She is not getting out, she is getting in. Nesting instinct. That's her home now.
You can see someone's feet behind the dude.
>helping the big tiddy girl out of the trucc
Here, let me halp.
>grab her by the breasts
>c'mere baby, daddy's got you
helping the big tiddy girl out of the trucc
A ghost!
The amerilard was blocking the view, color me surprised
Those are his 360 and walk away legs
Where they fricking driving in circles in an empty parking lot?
>Where they fricking driving in circles in an empty parking lot?
Like at an autocross?
Is it really Fort Wayne IN though, or is it Fort Worth TX or Fort Lauderdale FL or Fort Collins CO?
I like the blue clothing collection box in the background. It's basically impossible to get permission from property owners to put boxes in big shopping plazas like this, but some operators will dump them there on the assumption that nobody will care enough to have them removed.
t. former rags trader
>rags trader
please give us more insight into the rag trading world. those drop-off boxes always seemed fishy to me, so what's the racket?
Basically, you drop them off in places with the hopes that no one will call and cry about it, you get the clothes and shit out of them, toss what's not useable, keep what is, and resell it under the guise of supporting someone. Say someone drops in a leather purse they don't want. You sell it for 15 bucks after washing it a bit, you donate 1.50 of the sell price to a homeless shelter or some shit and pocket the rest. This goes on for everything you get. People feel good about donating shit they don't want, you make bank on something you never had to pay for, people are happy they got something for 'cheap' that they could have gotten in the first place by making a marketplace/craigslist post about online.
A collection operation will put out boxes and collect the clothes from them. From there, they might go directly to a thrift shop that will sort them or to a dedicated sorting house. At the sorting and grading phase, the good stuff (shop quality and so-called "cream") gets taken out for domestic sale while everything that's not becomes mixed rags for either export sale or (bottom tier stuff) recycling into something else. The mixed rags may be further bundled into tropical mix, winter mix, just shoes, etc. This stuff gets bought by importers in poorer countries, who then sell it themselves or wholesale it in, for example, 45 kg bales to small business people who take it to markets for sale.
As a business, there's not really much of a racket. The margins aren't great, but, if you run a professional operation, keep quality high, and pay attention to costs, you can make money on it.
The first people operating large scale modern clothing collection using boxes in the US were mostly Danes associated with a Danish group called Tvind. They had been operating similar collections in Europe for years before starting in the US in the 90's. Tvind is kind of controversial, and there are allegations of corruption, but, in my experience, they're pretty professional, and their charity operations actually do what they say.
The "racket" comes from the public's (wrong) expectation that clothes dropped off in the boxes will be given away for free or, if they're sold, all of the money will go to charity.
There are charities that do actually run their own collections. The (Tvind associated) Planet Aid is one of them. All of the money they make stays within the charity. This is a bit unusual though. It's far more common for charity associated clothing collections to be run by commercial companies that then either pay licensing fees to real charities to use their name or use misleading branding to make you think you're giving to a charity.
my environment prof told us the few clothes that actually get shipped to developing nations cause harm. The influx of donations kills any local textile manufacturing and the donated clothes get torn up into rags or whatever.
Not to mention the people in the shithole countries look like shit in these clothes compared to the much or aesthetic traditional clothes they would be wearing otherwise.
>Not to mention the people in the shithole countries look like shit in these clothes compared to the much or aesthetic traditional clothes they would be wearing otherwise.
t. never been to a shithole country
There's plenty of third world countries were wearing traditional clothing is still common. Although they're typically not the ones so shitty their getting clothes donated to them. Although it does seem traditional clothing is usually pretty functional and based. Tunics need to make a comeback in the west because they look comfy and aesthetic af.
White people have been wearing those types of jeans since I was in HS, although it's certainly a minority of White people.
>There's plenty of third world countries were wearing traditional clothing is still common.
Which ones? Maybe PNG or the uncontacted parts of Brasil where they're running around in fricking animal skin loin cloths. In the Americas, and Europe, the traditional clothing is western. In Africa, the "traditional" clothing is Asian produced sarongs either worn as wraps (called capulanas, chitenge, kanga, fricking whatever in east and central Africa) or cut up and made into western style shirts and trousers in western Africa. I've had traditional African clothing made for me in both west and east Africa (through intermediaries so that I don't pay white person tax), and it was more expensive and worse than just buying second hand western clothing. Lots of Africans agree, because they also buy second hand western clothes rather than the shitty "traditional" clothing.
Oh, yeah, the shitty Chinese boxes are easy to steal from too, either through the chute or by attacking the door closing mechanism. Also, shitty fly-by-night operators don't collect often enough (and they dump their boxes in places where nobody gives a shit), so stuff sits outside, and they become dumping zones.
Pakistan and Afghanistan as well as some groups in the middle East like the Bedouins and the blue people (I forget their proper name, they're in North Africa)
Tuaregs?
Sounds right
I was making a car joke. VW named their SUV after a tribe of terrorist gunrunners.
The correct answer would be berbers.
I don't think it's Berbers, pretty sure it did start with a T. There name means something like "people of the blue veil" in their language.
Tuaregs are a large Berber ethnic group found throughout Saharan Africa. I believe VW named its RAV4 fighter (Touraeg) after them.
Yeah it kills labor markets since making these goods is one of the few things people there can do for money.
Just getting free shit is not how you have an economy.
If you run a legit, professional clothing factory, why would you sell to locals when you could earn ten times as much by partnering with western companies to put Nike or Calvin Klein logos on your shit for export sale to people in the rich part of the world? Shitty local tailors still have business making "traditional" clothing, but people don't buy it for the same reason that you don't buy clothing custom made by tailors wherever you live in the rich part of the world.
Also, I'm not sure what it is about the clothes collection business, but it seems to attract some really scummy people. I am out of the game for several years, but there was a collection in Chicago that was run by an Albanian organized crime syndicate who were unpleasant to deal with.
Even in entirely up-and-up operations, it's easy for a driver or manager to steal. For a well run operation, you'll want a typical 8 hour route to generate 2-3 tons of product. If you've sited your boxes well, this means one driver per 100-150 boxes. Some people claim density can be higher, but, in my experience, site finding starts to become difficult at around 1 box per 10k people, and it becomes very difficult at 1 box per 5k. So, for a mid-size metro area of 3-4M people, your operation might look like 1 manager, 1 site finder, and 3 drivers. Imagine trying to supervise a whole bunch of these small operations spread around the country. It's very easy and tempting for a manager or driver to steal, and it takes a lot of attention to prevent it from happening.
So New Mexico probably cant support a business like this right?
We only have less than 2 million people in this frickhuge state
According to Wikipedia, the Albuquerque–Santa Fe–Las Vegas combined statistical area has a bit more than 1M people in it, so figure a capacity of around 200 boxes. Realistic number is more like 150. That's a manager plus a driver and bring in sitefinders every few months. For that size collection, skip the warehouse and baler or capsacks-- just find someplace you can park two 53' trailers and two trucks (one with liftgate for box placement). If you're lucky, you can find a steady buyer who will drop off an empty trailer every 2-3 weeks and pick up the one that you've filled during that time. Albuquerque is pretty close to El Paso, so transport costs are low, and I bet you could make this arrangement with one of the sorting houses there, but you might get screwed every few years when the Mexican government cracks down on textile smuggling. So, it would be worthwhile to maintain a relationship with a good broker by selling the occasional pup trailer to other customers. On the low end, figure a gross of $100k/year with a low price and low productivity per box. With a more realistic price and productivity, gross will be a few times that.
Very interesting idea. How much capital outlay? What do those boxes cost?
Here are the prices that come up on Alibaba. Chinese made boxes will rust. They will also leak, and your clothes will get wet. If you get ones with 4 feet like 2nd from the right, the feet will collapse or come out of place. When I was last involved in the business (~10 years ago), we paid around $700/box for good quality ones from a US manufacturer.
I'm not sure how prices look now, but I would guess that about $100k would be a reasonable budget for a minimum viable collection of about 100 boxes. Up to this size can be run solo.
all the ones ive ever seen have a porch monkey hanging his ass out the top of one taking everything inside and throwing it all over the parking lot. they dont even last a month before they are either destroyed or removed.
>massive tattoos
jfc how ugly and disgusting
into the trash it goes
She was born there.
>rolling over in a parking lot
TRUCKS HANDLE LIKE A DREAM
top heavy
What happens in this scenario? Does insurance still cover you? And do the cops come? How do you get it back on it's wheels? Is it totalled or just a little banged up?
hoosiers keepin it classy
they're called whiteBlack folk or 'wiggers' for short.
The guy looks pretty white but the jeans and tattoos scream beaner
>The guy looks pretty white but the jeans and tattoos scream beaner
That’s the average white Texan
I don't deal with trash that are too poor to afford a Tahoe.