Why won't Honda bring back the Element?
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Why won't Honda bring back the Element?
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What's that?
The speed pipe
Why is the car so slow then?
It's a bar that's supposed to protect the gas tank
CRVs also have them
It's chode.
Because it was a meme car (almost Prius-tier) that had no real redeeming features and sold terribly as such. It's a top-heavy, square, bloated Accord. Got replaced by the more sane, less square HR-V, suicide doors included.
With a few tweaks they could bring it back as competition with the Bronco.
Considering Honda does not make body on frame tucks or 4x4 I'd say no
>muh truck
take your twisty-frame, tire-eating short-bed shitbox and shove it up your ass. we're talking about japanese cars here
Even the FJ Cruiser is Body on frame. Honda has no excuse. They should always stick they are best for, FWD cars.
,>no redeeming feature
Suicide doors, amazing interior space, washables interior, you can literally turn it into a moving bedroom
>Suicide doors
Isn't that a negative?
>you can literally turn it into a moving bedroom
No you can't, it's too short. Better buy a Tahoe or a Suburban.
I was talking to some women (coworker's wives fwiw) and upon mentioning honda the 3 of them immediately started talking shit about "that square one" and how ugly it looks. They don't drive nor care about Hondas at all, but they still frickin hate the Element. Great design, nips, even normalgays (and burqas who dont drive at that) hate it.
>Isn't that a negative?
just because the words are negative doesn't mean it's le bad. I'd imagine they can only be opened at a stop, with the front doors open too. Fatpeople doors anyhow so yes it's cringe.
>just because the words are negative doesn't mean it's le bad
Nope, not because of that (suicide doesn't apply to this type anyway), but because you have to open the front door each time, there's no pillar (worse rigidity, less safe in side collisions, no place to mount the seatbelts or any other stuff to), more complicated locks and the rear doors are smaller they could've been. It's a poor solution for cars intended to be used as two-seaters most of the time, like small cab pickups.
>I'd imagine
So you haven't even owned a car or truck with them?
haven't considered the effects of removing the B-pillar. quite frankly i dont give a shit. if i get T-boned i'd want it to be fatal because i couldn't afford another car let alone medical treatment.
>So you haven't even owned a car or truck with them?
nope. sedans and sedan-based wagons only
karens want bigger, comfier suvs, not something made for utility
It was made at time to combat the other cubes in the competition. The crosstour was at best it's spiritual successor and still got axed as well
If I see a decent listing I'll probably snag one. I need a new daily with camping capabilities. I don't necessarily need to be able to comfortably sleep in the car, but it would be a nice bonus to the cargo space I want.
>no actual cargo space
>no actual sleeping space
Anon, the entire car is 4.3 m in length, a foot longer than the Miata
okay and I'm 5'6 and know that I don't need a meme-tier full sized truck or SUV to do anything lol
ironically the only car I own right now IS a miata
I don't allow what-if?-anxiety and a desperate need to feel masculine to determine what cars I purchase
>I don't allow what-if?-anxiety
>what if I need to sleep in the car
>what if I need the cargo space
>I don't necessarily need
you fricking moron, learn to read or stop making up shit to try and win a losing argument
also, check out pic related and tell me that isn't cargo space lol
I was camping with a fricking honda fit, you think this isn't practically a moving van to me?
>pic related
What about about buying a normal van?
>use a hyperbolical analogy to demonstrate how that volume of space is more than enough for me
>THEN WHY DON'T YOU BUY A VAN THEN???? >:~~*((
you're not good at this, are you?
>caps
>angrey smileys
Sorry didn't want to hit a nerve
Anon,
>would be nice to have
is the same as
>what if I need it
you're so desperately trying to distance yourself from. Also, getting half-measures is the worst, but it's understandable for a half-man you are, as well as seething about the entire class of vehicles and limiting your options only because of that.
only one of us thinks its their personal cause to try and stop people from buying a car they don't like, and it's not me
Not me either, I have no idea how the advice of being more open-minded and not limiting your options because you blindly hate something (probably not even the thing but some of the owners) became "stopping people from buying a car they don't like" in your head.
>is interested in a unique and bizarre car that doesn't fit the arbitrary standards of some random busrider on DA
>why aren't you more open minded >;(
anon, people disagreeing with you doesn't mean they aren't open minded, are stupid, or misinformed
it just means they disagree with you and your opinion
it isn't some great flaw of character, you're just too emotional and can't regulate yourself during discussions about cars on an anonymous japanese cartoon forum
>I'm 5'6 and know that I don't need a meme-tier full sized truck or SUV to do anything lol
>I don't allow what-if?-anxiety and a desperate need to feel masculine to determine what cars I purchase
>you fricking moron, learn to read or stop making up shit to try and win a losing argument
is not disagreement. It looks more like some unsolved issues honestly.
I didn't even make a point for the anon to disagree with, just posted a drawing with two dimensions, and he went too emotional in response.
are you okay anon? this obviously means a lot to you, but you're getting a little stressed out
maybe it's time to take a break
>is 5'6"
>owns a Miata
>doesn't need no full size truck
>because full size trucks make him feel too masculine
Nice bait anon
>he pays a mortage for a fullsize because he let the propaganda get him
oh no no no
For a full size Miata? What's that? The Corvette?
>anon learns that gay men actually exist
Yeah, still can't wrap my head around the idea that some men are involuntarily gay, I mean not like in prison, but more like incels.
they're called bicels
>and a desperate need to feel masculine to determine what cars I purchase
right on, fellow NotJustBikes fan.
6'2", the Element seats lay out flat, I can sleep very comfortably with lots of room to spare or just shove a double/full mattress in the back.
>the Element seats lay out flat
But the front seats themselves aren't flat.
>just shove a double/full mattress in the back.
Is there enough length for it? Looks like less than 6 ft
>Is there enough length for it? Looks like less than 6 ft
It's almost exactly 6ft. You can actually get closer to 7ft with the front seats pushed up fully, but it can't be driven that way.
>almost exactly
Ignore the other morons, it's perfect for camping out, either in a tent or sleeping inside. You can push the front seats forward and get over 6ft of space to the back window, they fold all the way backwards too for even more space but obviously you can't keep as much stuff behind the seats then. The back seats are easily removable and the ceiling is high the entire length so it's very spacious. As for off-road, I personally drove up some pretty shitty forest roads but wouldn't trust it on anything too crazy, but mine's FWD.
My friend has one of these and it’s just not good for work or off-roading so there’s really no point to using it because it doesn’t even get good MPG either
You can’t fit shit in it like a truck and it doesn’t work and better than any normal car off road, it’s a meme
i need a small truck. everything around here sucks.
kinda want an element now. it will do what i need.
same price as a pos pickup.
whats a good year?
If the element works as a “truck” for you, than you never really needed a truck in the first place
i dont need a work truck, i need a vehicle to transport large shit occasionally.
U-haul then
Or join the wagonhomosexuals crowd
I mean let's be honest
ive been renting trucks for when i need to do shit. but its like $70-120 per rental.
that hits when you're picking up $80 worth of crap from cl
Anon, I feel you. Somehow, the powers that be decided we aren't allowed to have affordable AND practical vehicles. I would love to have something like an Element. I live somewhere with a lot of snowfall though, so I'm really hesitant to buy older used cars due to rust.
because honda is gay and they are already overstepping the EPA guideline for allowable homosexuality
you "can" fit the same ammount in an element as you can in a small truck like an s10 (pic rel), but it fricking sucks ass too. It has the same problem minivans do for actual work, where you can fit a lot in them, its just a pain in the ass to. Getting my engine and hoist in the bed of a small truck would have been infinetly easier than getting it into the gay honda. it really is just a minivan with no 3rd row and an anemic engine thats cramped in the bay
>i need a small truck. everything around here sucks.
>kinda want an element now.
Maybe the Ridgeline will work for you. Unibody truck, car-like driving dynamics.
Fit is better.
What is the benefit of this Element thing over a minivan?
Better ground clearance, tight turning radius, higher ceiling and shorter overall length. It's actually shorter than most sedans. The tailgate is nice too.
>Better ground clearance
what about this thing hanging down exactly where you need clearance for a decent break over angle
>shorter overall length. It's actually shorter than most sedans
>benefit
Transmission doesn't get buckbroken by the engine. Also manual transmission option. Other than this it's a short k24 powered square minivan
Honda Element (4450lb) is almost as heavy as the Odyssey from the same era (4500ish), except the Odyssey has 260hp and the Element has 166 hp.
Exactly. Underpowered wins again and autotrafic elements regularly go over 240k miles while odysseychuds shit out transmissions at 180k and cost a gorillion dollars to replace.
kek, homosexual
>2007 Odyssey Autotragic, 244HP/240lb-ft, curb weight 4385-4683lbs
>2006 Element (Autotragic, 2WD and AWD), 156HP/160lb-ft, curb weight 3381-3578lbs
The Element is 4450lb GROSS weight, the Odyssey of the same era is 5,952lbs GROSS weight, 1500lbs of difference.
Now pack both with an entire soccer team of 5 year olds and see if there's any difference.
You don't know what Gross Weight is do you? I'll help you out little buddy:
If you take the heaviest Element and compare it to the lightest Odyssey, the Odyssey is 31% heavier. If you load them both with 1000lbs of shit, it's still 24% heavier than the Element. If you actually load them to capacity according do their ratings, the Odyssey is 34% heavier.
What's the point you're trying to make? That 1000-1500lbs isn't a big difference? That 24-34% heavier isn't very much? I feel like you don't have a point at all.
Poorgay spec oddys had k24a4s too
I think this was just too ahead of its time. It would sell like hotcakes in 2024.
I don't think they marketed them as well as they could have either. All the adds should have been a few shots of driving off road then a whole bunch of someone opening all the doors, folding the seats back, piling a ton of bullshit in the back, hosing mud out of them. When they were making them they really weren't on my radar because I thought they were just a small Honda SUV with weird styling, I didn't realize they could do all the cool shit with the interior.
There was like a 3 year window where carmakers thought the cube design would take over the city driving market. Now only the Kia Soul somehow still lives.
I just looked at the inventory of my local Honda dealer that I bought my car from years ago.
>47 HRV's
My god. Everything else is half that number in their inventory.
HRV has the same ground clearance as my Mazda3. What even is the point?
because they're buttholes who hate me
I can't imagine that anyone who owned one of these pieces of shit would say something like this. As someone whose parents owned one, I can tell you as a matter of fact that it is UGLY, SLOW, and GAY. The doors are fricking moronic and make no sense. My friends would always close them in the wrong order because they would forget that the back door needs to close before the front, and slam the doors into each other. They have a hideous cheap plastic interior. They have horrible gas mileage for an anemic hatchback. They don't actually have that much cargo space, despite being a cube they are still small. The AWD system is horrendous and the ride height is low.
Nononono that can't be! Not like that! You probably pay a mortage for a fullsize because you fell for the propaganda!
You can get a Honda Fit for all I care. The Element is just a piece of shit.
This looks like it'd fail modern over regulation. It's also a dumb gimmick that's completely useless.
We got this Cube garbage while the EU enjoyed the S-Max...
these are only used as taxis in the us. never seen a non livery version
>these are only used as taxis in the us.
Interesting.
Were they actually the S-Max or the Edge?
None of them got to enjoy the 6sp manual, per the wiki.
idk, i keep seeing some weird ford with painted over smax logo on the rear.
Kek.
Are they RHD??
NYC Taxi companies enjoying illegally imported S-Max.
They probably bought them cheap from the UK.
Those are Ford C-Max, not S. The C-Max was sold in the US briefly as a hybrid only which is what those NYC cabs are. We never got the S, sadly.
We got the S-Max, rebadged and in full Americanized spec with no hybrid option. Look upon it with disgust.
It's not a joke, just to be clear. They are truly both the Ford CD539, they really are the "same" vehicle, not just the same CD4 platform.
I forgot.
Let Dutchie tell ya how great these were.
Because it sucked. Can we stop pretending that this piece of junk was good just because it was quirky?
Go to FB market place search for Elements, literally dozens running with 200K+ miles.
What were people thinking with these abominations?
I would still rather have one of these than an element
I know that trailhead
the actual reason was, at the time, it couldnt pass new side impact crash tests without a B pillar.
The b pillar and its consequences have been devastating to modern automotive design
I fricking love my 07 Element AWD. It's a manual so is actually fun to drive and feels more spritely and eager than it actually is. Average 22 to 23 mpg which isn't terrible. GF and I go camping in it and there's more than enough room for both of us to sleep and get frisky with the seats up. However anyone over 6 ft tall will feel cramped lying down in the back.
Yea it has its quirks, I wish it was half a foot longer and a bit more robust in offroad abilities , although I've done some gnarly logging backroads just fine. So yea it's not perfect, but there's nothing else like it as far as I know. I'd be perfectly content if it was the only vehicle I had until the end of my days.
My only actual complaint about the Element, which is a fabulous vehicle, is the shit-tier AWD. It is Hondas worst AWD setup, I'm sure they've used it in other shit too. It's AWD that's completely useless off-road. "Real-time" AWD, you never actually get any power to the rear under normal conditions. It's part of the traction control system, if you're losing traction in the front it will push a little power to the rear, it's perfect for highway driving in the rain, but all you get off-roading is heat in the rear diff.
because they hate money
because its too gay
SHIIIIIEEEEEET NIGGGUH THAT MUHFUGGAH GOT SUICIDE DOES NIGGUH
There's a couple of Elements with 200K miles on them. How much longer will they last at that point? Automatic if that matters.
To 350K
I knew a guy who had one. He sucked my dick and tried to frick my butt, because he was gay.
You sound pretty gay yourself.
woah woah lets not jump to conclusions now
Lackluster fuel economy. Unfortunately the plastic cladding which ages like total shit has persisted. I really hate it.
I average about 23 mpg on mine (manual). Is that so bad? Admittedly I drive mostly on the highway
That's what a modern half ton truck gets. That's why these lesbian toasters will never be made again.
I daily a 30 year old station wagon with a 2.8L I6 and a 62mm turbo and I get that kind of highway mileage. Should your 4 cylinder crossover should get better fuel economy? Not really a fair comparison I guess, a new honda pilot has a better epa combined rating than 23mpg though and it's much bigger than an Element plus it has a 3.5 V6.
Prius or Honda fit is literally all you need.
A trugg is justified only if you do manual labor and you're not obese.
The Honda Element, like the Pontiac Aztek, was simply too based for its time